4K Ulta HD Internal DVD Player?

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I just got a 4K monitor and was wanting to know if there are any internal DVD drives that I can play 4K discs on?
 
The 4K Blu Rays aren't physically different from regular Blu Rays from everything I've read. With an update to whatever software you're using for Blu Ray playback you'll be able to watch 4K Blu Rays as long as you have a newer model player.
 
I was curious about this a few months ago and apparently there is a newer (2014-15 model) LG drive that has been confirmed to work with seemingly everything out of the box. At least with the few 4K disks people on AVS tried on it. I can't recall the model number, but it was one of the Modisk RW models.
Supposedly it does relate to firmware and not hardware, but I can't imagine 6-7 year old drives like mine getting free updates.
 
The 4K Blu Rays aren't physically different from regular Blu Rays from everything I've read. With an update to whatever software you're using for Blu Ray playback you'll be able to watch 4K Blu Rays as long as you have a newer model player.

According to this thread at AVS, it's NOT guaranteed compatible with older drives. And also, there's still no way to play the 4k movies, and thus we have no idea if they will be capable of decryption.

4K Optical Drives: Will Existing BDXL Options Work? - Page 4 - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews

As usual, PC Blu-Ray is getting left high-and-dry.
 
According to this thread at AVS, it's NOT guaranteed compatible with older drives. And also, there's still no way to play the 4k movies, and thus we have no idea if they will be capable of decryption.

4K Optical Drives: Will Existing BDXL Options Work? - Page 4 - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews

As usual, PC Blu-Ray is getting left high-and-dry.
That's why I said as long as you have a newer player/drive. You'd need a Blu Ray player that supports the high/extended capacity Blu Rays because of the size of 4K video. I'm pretty sure I heard cyberlinks powerdvd is getting an update or already has support for 4K Blu Rays.
 
I have the new PowerDVD (#16) and they said that 4K support will be coming soon, but it doesn't play 'em yet. Not like I have a drive or any disks that would work anyway.
I'm just going to keep watching the AVS forums and see where all of this goes. It is annoying that this spec has been completely ignored on the PC front thus far.
You'd think that if it did work in an official way, both drive makers and Cyberlink would be all over it.
 
PC's have always lagged behind when it comes to optical tech. Honestly there's no reason to complain about lack of support for something that's practically nonexistent since there next to no content at the moment.

Btw how do you like PowerDVD 16? I was thinking about going for it once I pick up a Blu Ray drive for my PC.
 
Btw how do you like PowerDVD 16? I was thinking about going for it once I pick up a Blu Ray drive for my PC.

In all honesty, it's like 90% the same as Power DVD 15 for me. The main difference is the addition of a new TV mode with a cleaner interface designed for remotes and simple viewing. It also supports disk ISOs and some additional casting functions I don't really use.
While I tend to play most of my non-disk media with MPC, it's no longer a horrible choice to use PowerDVD. It opens the media quickly, doesn't eat up 1/2 your resources, and will play anything you throw at it. Out of the box with minimal tweaks no less. The new streamlined TV mode combined with that better functionality actually make it a pretty killer casual user app. As a power user, there is minimal reason to upgrade if you have 15. It's a lot better than older ones, though.
 
The 4K Blu Rays aren't physically different from regular Blu Rays from everything I've read. With an update to whatever software you're using for Blu Ray playback you'll be able to watch 4K Blu Rays as long as you have a newer model player.

Why did you post this?
 
Why did you post this?
Because the OP asked if any drives played 4K Blu Rays and I was explaining its not a matter of hardware, what's required is updated software for most newer Blu Ray drive to work. Did you read the thread?
 
Because the OP asked if any drives played 4K Blu Rays and I was explaining its not a matter of hardware, what's required is updated software for most newer Blu Ray drive to work. Did you read the thread?

Blu Ray drives will not read UHD discs. You comments aren't even partly correct. Don't waste time posting incorrect info.
 
I'm pretty sure no DVD player ever will play 4k UHD BluRay discs.

Gonna take a wild stab in the dark, and say you might need a BR player to play BR discs :p
 
Blu Ray drives will not read UHD discs. You comments aren't even partly correct. Don't waste time posting incorrect info.
Some of them will read the discs. Of course there's no software to play them back so it's not of a whole lot of use.
 
Some of them will read the discs. Of course there's no software to play them back so it's not of a whole lot of use.


They won't read them either right now, even if the appropriate software was released, you will need a new drive as well.
 
There are people on AVS that swear some drives can at least see the file structure of UHD disks. I have no idea if that could translate into anything more, though.
 
They won't read them either right now, even if the appropriate software was released, you will need a new drive as well.
You're wrong. There are drives that can read the discs now. People who have those drives won't need new ones.
 
I'm interested in being able to decode/view 4k UHD discs on the PC also - I just searched AVS Forum to follow that thread but couldn't find the one where users talking about seeing disc structure - do you have a link in your history?

EDIT - NM found it by simplifying my search... does look like people's PC BD drives are able to see the structure/tagging, hopefully MakeMKV or the like can do something about that

AVS FORUM LINK
 
I'm interested in being able to decode/view 4k UHD discs on the PC also - I just searched AVS Forum to follow that thread but couldn't find the one where users talking about seeing disc structure - do you have a link in your history?

EDIT - NM found it by simplifying my search... does look like people's PC BD drives are able to see the structure/tagging, hopefully MakeMKV or the like can do something about that

AVS FORUM LINK


The guy from Redfox replied, you won't like his answer. Very difficult to crack, could take a substantial amount of time.

These drives also will need to support the new encryption scheme, they have posted about it over here a few times. You can read the folders, great, it's completely meaningless. Don't go buy a drive now, it probably won't work.
 
The guy from Redfox replied, you won't like his answer. Very difficult to crack, could take a substantial amount of time.

These drives also will need to support the new encryption scheme, they have posted about it over here a few times. You can read the folders, great, it's completely meaningless. Don't go buy a drive now, it probably won't work.
Of course it can't read the encryption because the softwares not in place. Windows can't play a standard Blu Ray natively, it needs a program to do it so why do you think 4K Blu Rays would be any different? When Cyberlink updates their powerdvd 16 software with 4K Blu Ray support old drives should have no problem playing 4K Blu Rays since they can physically read them. Like you said it's wise to wait but I don't see why you have this doom and gloom attitude about compatibility when all the evidence clearly points to the contrary.
 
I already have the drives in two computers so if they work or don't, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. I also watch movies on my 1080P projector, so I'm personally not too concerned until 4K projectors come down a few thousand dollars. However, it would be nice to be able to archive discs without having to pay the early adopter toll on those $4-600 UHD players on the horizon.
 
No, you can read the folder structure, you can't read the disc.
You can copy the files on the disc to your HD. You can't decrypt the files on the disc, but the files on the disc can be read. That meets my definition of read. You apparently have a different definition of read. To me a drive that can't read a UHD disc doesn't even recognize a disc in the drive.
 
You can copy the files on the disc to your HD. You can't decrypt the files on the disc, but the files on the disc can be read. That meets my definition of read. You apparently have a different definition of read. To me a drive that can't read a UHD disc doesn't even recognize a disc in the drive.


You can play a plate in a record player, but it doesn't make music.
 
you are going to need a new drive that supports the encryption standard introduced with 4K. Those drives will not be available until the format has gained some traction....
 
You can play a plate in a record player, but it doesn't make music.

Well, the needle will transmit vibrational information through the wound wiring and through the phono preamp to an amp ... whether the sound it creates is 'music' or not is relative to how into avant-garde music you are...

You'll probably also destroy the stylus and cantilever, but hey, it makes something...
 
You can play a plate in a record player, but it doesn't make music.

That is a terrible, terrible comparison.
Viewing file/folder structure = readable disc
You can't decode the data, but you can read the disc.
 
you are going to need a new drive that supports the encryption standard introduced with 4K. Those drives will not be available until the format has gained some traction....


I'm trying to tell them that, they won't f'n listen lol.


Go ahead, buy a bdxl drive!!!! It'll read the disc fine!!!
 
That is a terrible, terrible comparison.
Viewing file/folder structure = readable disc
You can't decode the data, but you can read the disc.

It's encrypted data so it's useless. Unless your definition of reading as disc is being unable to view and decrypt the encrypted binary info stored.
 
These are pretty terrible arguments. Stereodude is completely right. If I put a normal BD in my computer drive, I can read the file system, copy the files/make an iso, but can't do shit with it in regards to playback because it's encrypted with AACS. According to some of the logic on here, I apparently need new hardware in this case? Um no, I need software to decrypt it (Cyberlink PowerDVD, MakeMKV etc.).

UHD BD uses AACS v2.0. There is currently no PC software that can decrypt this. There are some players that can read and copy files from UHD discs as Stereodude pointed out. Once the software is available that can decrypt/crack AACSv2, drives like the WH16NS40 should work fine with UHD. What is this other magical encryption standard I'm missing in this discussion? Sure many legacy BD drives cannot read UHD discs and never will, but that's because they're incapable of reading dual/triple/BDXL media. I'm not sure why this is even an argument right now.
 
I've made this same argument a few days ago a little further up in the post and they won't listen. They're a lost cause so it's best to wait quietly until the software's updated and then we'll have further proof that they won't be able to deny.
These are pretty terrible arguments. Stereodude is completely right. If I put a normal BD in my computer drive, I can read the file system, copy the files/make an iso, but can't do shit with it in regards to playback because it's encrypted with AACS. According to some of the logic on here, I apparently need new hardware in this case? Um no, I need software to decrypt it (Cyberlink PowerDVD, MakeMKV etc.).

UHD BD uses AACS v2.0. There is currently no PC software that can decrypt this. There are some players that can read and copy files from UHD discs as Stereodude pointed out. Once the software is available that can decrypt/crack AACSv2, drives like the WH16NS40 should work fine with UHD. What is this other magical encryption standard I'm missing in this discussion? Sure many legacy BD drives cannot read UHD discs and never will, but that's because they're incapable of reading dual/triple/BDXL media. I'm not sure why this is even an argument right now.
 
Well that's pretty much the best way to close this out! Too bad we all have to wait a while.
 
These are pretty terrible arguments. Stereodude is completely right. If I put a normal BD in my computer drive, I can read the file system, copy the files/make an iso, but can't do shit with it in regards to playback because it's encrypted with AACS. According to some of the logic on here, I apparently need new hardware in this case? Um no, I need software to decrypt it (Cyberlink PowerDVD, MakeMKV etc.).

UHD BD uses AACS v2.0. There is currently no PC software that can decrypt this. There are some players that can read and copy files from UHD discs as Stereodude pointed out. Once the software is available that can decrypt/crack AACSv2, drives like the WH16NS40 should work fine with UHD. What is this other magical encryption standard I'm missing in this discussion? Sure many legacy BD drives cannot read UHD discs and never will, but that's because they're incapable of reading dual/triple/BDXL media. I'm not sure why this is even an argument right now.


Should? You don't know,nobody does, it's closed spec. Keep buying drives though, they'll definitely work.
 
Should? You don't know,nobody does, it's closed spec. Keep buying drives though, they'll definitely work.

Yes, should. If you want to speculate with the glass half empty, I can with it half full. At the end of the day, it's a $60 drive that still has benefits outside of UHD.

I didn't buy a drive because there is no need for me to right now, but if I was in the market for a new BD drive, I would definitely try it out. If you can read the disc and make an ISO from it, it can be decrypted/cracked once AACSv2 is (my opinion at this point, not fact). Standard AACSv2 works similar to it's predecessor from what I have seen on the net.

The main wild card is AAVCv2 *enchanced* which could require a special, not-yet-released drive. But to my knowledge, as of now, none of the released UHD discs are AACSv2 enhanced.
 
From what I can tell UHD Blu rays are standard 66/100GB BDXL media.

My current drive wont read those (and LG doesn't seem interested in supporting firmware on my model). I though about grabbing a newer Pioneer drive but no guarantee it will meet any/all special DRM requirements. And there is no software yet.
 
Yes, should. If you want to speculate with the glass half empty, I can with it half full. At the end of the day, it's a $60 drive that still has benefits outside of UHD.

I didn't buy a drive because there is no need for me to right now, but if I was in the market for a new BD drive, I would definitely try it out. If you can read the disc and make an ISO from it, it can be decrypted/cracked once AACSv2 is (my opinion at this point, not fact). Standard AACSv2 works similar to it's predecessor from what I have seen on the net.

The main wild card is AAVCv2 *enchanced* which could require a special, not-yet-released drive. But to my knowledge, as of now, none of the released UHD discs are AACSv2 enhanced.

Version 2 isn't documented like version one. So anybody on the "net" claiming they know how it works is full of poo.

Version 2 enhanced was openly stated as only applying to things like film screeners and other prerelease type of stuff. I doubt it ever appears on a commercial disc.
 
Corel WinDVD supports UHD or 4K video:
http://www.windvdpro.com/en/?curren...ign=16-11-03|Sale|xPrds|BF_W1|US|Rem2#compare

That means you need a video card which has HDMI 2.0a, a monitor that is HDCP 2.2 and HDMI 2.0a for HDR and a UHD player that can read the disk. Whew almost makes this a pointless endeavor. There are plenty of HTPC systems or folks who would like to be able to play this option without having to have a separate player.
 
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