Symantec Demonstrates How Voting Machines Can Be Compromised

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There is apparently a $15 device you could buy if you wanted to vote multiple times for the same candidate. Furthermore, the results themselves could be manipulated, as data is unencrypted. Some say that “paper trails” make fraud impossible, but not all states actually perform audits.

Experts believe a cyberattack this year could be a reality, especially following last month's hack of Democratic National Committee emails. The ranking member of the Senate Homeland Security Committee sent a letter Monday to the Department of Homeland Security, saying in part: "Election security is critical, and a cyberattack by foreign actors on our elections systems could compromise the integrity of our voting process." Roughly 70 percent of states in the U.S. use some form of electronic voting. Hackers told CBS News that problems with electronic voting machines have been around for years. The machines and the software are old and antiquated.
 
All because we refuse to issue chipped unique ID's and Require ID in order to vote. This problem will continue so long as groups continuing arguing that ID's are "too difficult to obtain for poor people" keeps being allowed as a valid excuse. ID's should be free and if you are incapable of taking the time to get the proper documents to obtain a free ID, then you shouldn't be voting anyhow.
 
Obama: "Due to the threat of hacking on our election system, I will remain president until this can be resolved"

Chipped ID's PLEASE. No Excuses.
 
This year's president will be decided by the best hackers. No real votes will be cast. The outcome could be trillions of votes and no one will audit shit.
 
JosiahBradley said:
This year's president will be decided by the best hackers. No real votes will be cast. The outcome could be trillions of votes and no one will audit shit.
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Great, then 3rd parties like the Greens, Jill Stein might actually stand a chance. ;)
 
JosiahBradley said:
This year's president will be decided by the best hackers. No real votes will be cast. The outcome could be trillions of votes and no one will audit shit.
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Why hack when the old fashion way has worked so well the past couple election cycles?
Register dead people, and either absentee vote or drive bus loads of people from precinct to precinct to cast the votes in person, no ID needed.
 
This is one area where my state of Oklahoma is actually ahead of the game. We use paper ballots fed into a scanner that scans and tallies the votes. If the scanner has a problem with the ballot, it kicks it back and you are issued a replacement. Normally, recounts are done electronically but candidates can request a hand recount if the results are close enough. Most elections, the results are known by the 10 o'clock news.

We also require ID to vote. The usual list of IDs are accepted OR you can use the FREE voter ID card issued when you register to vote. Lose your voter ID? Just call the county election board and they will send you a free replacement. The voter ID also includes your polling place and your state rep districts and federal house district.
 
United States Voters Demonstrate How Such Vulnerabilities Do Nothing To Make This Election Any Worse.
 
JosiahBradley said:
This year's president will be decided by the best hackers. No real votes will be cast. The outcome could be trillions of votes and no one will audit shit.
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Look on the bright side, USA will be like many of those countries who get elected officials by a 115% popularity :D
 
Dead Parrot said:
This is one area where my state of Oklahoma is actually ahead of the game. We use paper ballots fed into a scanner that scans and tallies the votes. If the scanner has a problem with the ballot, it kicks it back and you are issued a replacement. Normally, recounts are done electronically but candidates can request a hand recount if the results are close enough. Most elections, the results are known by the 10 o'clock news.

We also require ID to vote. The usual list of IDs are accepted OR you can use the FREE voter ID card issued when you register to vote. Lose your voter ID? Just call the county election board and they will send you a free replacement. The voter ID also includes your polling place and your state rep districts and federal house district.
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This is how this stuff has worked in my country (with the exception of everyone getting a free personal id at birth / when immigrating) for a few decades already. Every person eligible for a vote will get a written notification, time and place where to vote. Everyone voting will have to present valid id - people abroad will have to vote at the embassy.
 
You had better vote for hillary or she will have you killed, no id required she knows what you are doing and is watching you. When scores of counties can have 110% voter count for one candidate and no investigation ever happens, just know that you have been played.
 
You have to register to vote before you vote. If you can do that, I don't see a problem with presenting voter ID at the time of voting. Unless you don't need any ID to register to vote.

oohh.......;)
 
AK0tA said:
You had better vote for hillary or she will have you killed, no id required she knows what you are doing and is watching you. When scores of counties can have 110% voter count for one candidate and no investigation ever happens, just know that you have been played.
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Do you have any sources for this? Everything I've read says voter fraud is negligible.
A comprehensive investigation of voter impersonation finds 31 credible incidents out of one billion ballots cast
 
maybe this is going to sound stupid but the election is secret so you can not be coerced into voting for someone other than you happen to feel like, so why not have the machine print out a scantron type card to be scanned and scored like a test? Have you voter card info on the top and print a copy for the person? Then drive the scanned cards to the county area, then to the state area, then to dc via armored car. If the car gets attacked you shug and go vote again with the print out you have... it might take a few days to know who won... but it is not like they have to be in office before January?

Scan tron machines can be messed with but it would wipe out all this election fraud that keeps going on. I would be perfectly willing to have my social security number printed on mine. You have to have one to vote in the united states of America. No one has the same number...
 
Dekoth-E- said:
All because we refuse to issue chipped unique ID's and Require ID in order to vote. This problem will continue so long as groups continuing arguing that ID's are "too difficult to obtain for poor people" keeps being allowed as a valid excuse. ID's should be free and if you are incapable of taking the time to get the proper documents to obtain a free ID, then you shouldn't be voting anyhow.
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How would that matter if the machine is hacked and your vote changed on the back end? They could properly ID every single person that cast there vote, and still manipulate it so the 'correct' candidate wins... And since it's electronic and not a physical ballot, we can't even do a recount after the fact to confirm shit like this didn't happen.... Sure they can 'audit' the machine, but that can be manipulated as well, assuming it was coded correctly to begin with.... I've been 100% against these digital voting machines since the they were introduced.... The cons outweigh the pros by so much it's laughable, but without it they wont be able to easily manipulate elections like they've grown used to....
 
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and other countries have solved that problem entirely by making it a goverment free service. you get your unique ID at birth.
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Wait what, are you serious? US still doesn't have this??? What is this, the Middle Ages?

(this is my genuine reaction as European and not 100% familiar with the American social system)
 
Mistral said:
Wait what, are you serious? US still doesn't have this??? What is this, the Middle Ages?

(this is my genuine reaction as European and not 100% familiar with the American social system)
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I'm sure very few Americans know how all this ID stuff works and it's probably different in each of our 50 states.
 
Biznatch said:
How would that matter if the machine is hacked and your vote changed on the back end? They could properly ID every single person that cast there vote, and still manipulate it so the 'correct' candidate wins... And since it's electronic and not a physical ballot, we can't even do a recount after the fact to confirm shit like this didn't happen.... Sure they can 'audit' the machine, but that can be manipulated as well, assuming it was coded correctly to begin with.... I've been 100% against these digital voting machines since the they were introduced.... The cons outweigh the pros by so much it's laughable, but without it they wont be able to easily manipulate elections like they've grown used to....
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I don't believe you understand how mandatory unique ID's actually function. The current system and especially paper ballots with no form of unique ID for voters has already proven a massive failure in respect to security. If anything digital have at least in part eliminated "some" of the dead person voting or busloads of people being driven to different district fraud. The answer is to continue improving the digital system, not abandon it for a system that is proven broken and unable to be secured.
 
Dekoth-E- said:
I don't believe you understand how mandatory unique ID's actually function. The current system and especially paper ballots with no form of unique ID for voters has already proven a massive failure in respect to security. If anything digital have at least in part eliminated "some" of the dead person voting or busloads of people being driven to different district fraud. The answer is to continue improving the digital system, not abandon it for a system that is proven broken and unable to be secured.
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Feel free to come up with a digital system that is fraud proof, because I'm not sure it can be done. Somebody has to tally the votes, and you also need machines that people can't access any of the hardware and can't rig machines to automate input.
 
DocSavage said:
Feel free to come up with a digital system that is fraud proof, because I'm not sure it can be done. Somebody has to tally the votes, and you also need machines that people can't access any of the hardware and can't rig machines to automate input.
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There is no such thing as fraud proof with anything exposed to the general public.However a System where voters had a unique ID that was required to vote with, coupled with a system that has numerous checks against duplicate uses or against tampered software would be infinitely better than paper ballots and the current mess of a system. It isn't hard to design something better than what we currently do, the problem comes not from the hardware but from the people allowed to be in control of it.
 
DocSavage said:
Do you have any sources for this? Everything I've read says voter fraud is negligible.
A comprehensive investigation of voter impersonation finds 31 credible incidents out of one billion ballots cast
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Read this, for starters: https://www.amazon.com/dp/159403618..._m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=RJ7B0H2H3XEPJDH77H4H

It's "Who's Counting" by Fund. If just 10% of the footnoted and attributed cases are true, then there is a serious issue. It is undeniable that something is driving the left batsh*t crazy about voter I.D., and it has nothing to do with the I.D. Maybe it has something to do with the vote?
 
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I'd imagine that the best/most secure method would involve integrating smart chips into our ID's/Drivers Licenses, and either adding a certificate to it when you register to vote (unlikely as that'd potentially be leaking the admin key outside of the card issuer), or enrolling a public subkey in some sort of "registered voter" database. Which brings up all sorts of privacy concerns, but that could be mitigated by restricting what associated information is stored with it. When voting electronically (could be a fucking touch screen with the picture of the candidates face for all it matters), that vote is signed with the private key held on the card and submitted. That privately signed vote is authenticated against the previously submitted public key and annotated as being used. Assuming that an individual is properly restricted to having only one valid unique drivers licence/ID, it's not possible to vote multiple times on the same card/private key. As long as everything is properly set up and implemented, maintaining the integrity of the voter system would be trivial. But of course, one segment of our political system views poor people as too stupid to be expected to provide identification, so it's all moot.
 
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Dekoth-E- said:
All because we refuse to issue chipped unique ID's and Require ID in order to vote. This problem will continue so long as groups continuing arguing that ID's are "too difficult to obtain for poor people" keeps being allowed as a valid excuse. ID's should be free and if you are incapable of taking the time to get the proper documents to obtain a free ID, then you shouldn't be voting anyhow.
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If we did that, then how would the Dem's do what they do best - cheat?
 
These machines are garbage, there have been a constant stream of vulnerabilities and hacks, most of which have been laughably simple. And considering that they all print out a receipt anyway you're not saving any work. Might as well just use paper ballots.
 
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