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Motor Trend took a Tesla Model X P90D, hooked it up to a car trailer (with a car on it) and drag raced an Alfa Romeo 4C. Yes, the Tesla won. Skip ahead to the four minute mark to see the race.
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Yeah but the monthly apex seals purchase puts the Tesla ahead by miles in terms of cost of ownership.P90D's top speed is 155. Meh. My RX7's top speed was higher than that when it was stock in 1993. Its not so stock anymore.
And he did it.... sleeping!
The 4C isn't exactly an ultra-fast straight line vehicle either with a 0-60 time in the low to mid 4.X range and a 1/4 mile time of about 13 seconds. Comparing those cars for two or three laps around a long track might prove more interesting.
P90D's top speed is 155. Meh. My RX7's top speed was higher than that when it was stock in 1993. Its not so stock anymore.
a straight line 0-60 1/4 mile race is the defacto performance benchmark for nearly every car in the history of mankind. Quit acting like Tesla is somehow skewing results or cherry picking their competition. Tesla makes a bomb ass car that does everything everyone wants it to besides drive across the USA freely. The Model S routinely beats McLarens and Lambo's every day. So what if it cant win an F1 race. Those cars cant drive underwater either. Totally irrelevant comparisons that dont help anybody understand anything.Thats great for all these Teslas in straight lines. Yet to see one win a race in the twistiez against something comparable. Awesome for the light to light heroes.
a straight line 0-60 1/4 mile race is the defacto performance benchmark for nearly every car in the history of mankind. Quit acting like Tesla is somehow skewing results or cherry picking their competition. Tesla makes a bomb ass car that does everything everyone wants it to besides drive across the USA freely. The Model S routinely beats McLarens and Lambo's every day. So what if it cant win an F1 race. Those cars cant drive underwater either. Totally irrelevant comparisons that dont help anybody understand anything.
... I've never really understood these "my car goes this fast" compensation fests. Over here, you see tons of Porche cars and occasionally a Ferrari (there's a dealer in town actually) or something like that. When I was younger, I used to be like "oh boy, it's my dream to get one of those!" As time went on and I actually drove out on the streets, I then spent more time trying to figure out what the hell the purpose of me getting one of those cars would be. I know this is an oft-repeated argument that many use, held in some disdain by those within auto circles... but when my average speed on any given road in the area is 30-50, at the absolute maximum, with cars filling roughly every lane so there's no real purpose in even trying to pass (aside from maybe getting two cars ahead, oh boy)... what the hell's the point? It would be a worthy investment if I wanted to do some sort of unofficial racing, but otherwise? I don't get it. I really like my hatchback Subaru because it's economical, functional, and very convenient, with plenty of storage space. The only other thing I would ever possibly consider is a cheap, beat-up pickup truck for hauling larger things.
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Because it makes people enjoy their cars more? It's a hobby/enjoyment, there will never be logic behind such things. Honestly I could probably create a similar argument for any hobby or thing you enjoy doing with similar points. As long as people aren't breaking laws let them have fun with their time and money, feeds the economy.
... I've never really understood these "my car goes this fast" compensation fests. Over here, you see tons of Porche cars and occasionally a Ferrari (there's a dealer in town actually) or something like that. When I was younger, I used to be like "oh boy, it's my dream to get one of those!" As time went on and I actually drove out on the streets, I then spent more time trying to figure out what the hell the purpose of me getting one of those cars would be. I know this is an oft-repeated argument that many use, held in some disdain by those within auto circles... but when my average speed on any given road in the area is 30-50, at the absolute maximum, with cars filling roughly every lane so there's no real purpose in even trying to pass (aside from maybe getting two cars ahead, oh boy)... what the hell's the point? It would be a worthy investment if I wanted to do some sort of unofficial racing, but otherwise? I don't get it. I really like my hatchback Subaru because it's economical, functional, and very convenient, with plenty of storage space. The only other thing I would ever possibly consider is a cheap, beat-up pickup truck for hauling larger things.
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I understand your points, but I was simply talking about the marginal gains of a supercar specifically. There is fun associated with many other hobbies, and I do understand decking cars out to a degree (lights, head unit, looks, etc). My issue is the whole horsepower/supercar thing. Simply... I don't see where you could ever possibly use such an engine in most/all real life scenarios. Let's say that I have some almonds. Then I opt for some much more expensive (let's pretend they are for the purposes of this) chocolate almonds. But I can't eat chocolate in my household for <inert arcane reasons here>. So I simply strip the chocolate and eat the almonds... for what purpose did I get chocolate covered almonds? To me that's what a supercar is like. I can't really push it to its potential, and use it for all it's worth. To me that's just like throwing money away for no real gain to myself.
I thought it looked like a giant jellybean.That Tesla looks like a prius. And what is with the watering down of the term SUV? That bently is more like a hatchback.
Tesla refuel - 6-8 hours, Alfa refuel 2 minutes. Gas wins.
Cars have gotten so fast in straight lines and curves that the 1/4 mile is no longer the be-all and end-all of performance; now it's all about Nurburging lap times.a straight line 0-60 1/4 mile race is the defacto performance benchmark for nearly every car in the history of mankind.
Also: a Tesla has 2 pedals, while a real sports car has 3!
Tesla refuel - 6-8 hours, Alfa refuel 2 minutes. Gas wins.
It's an Alfa, I'm surprised it didn't break down in that 1/4 mile.
I never said smiles were cheap.Yeah but the monthly apex seals purchase puts the Tesla ahead by miles in terms of cost of ownership.
If you are crafty enough you will find the hwy sweet spots.It'll hit 155 way before you hit your top speed and by then it'll already be gone. Let's be honest, you aren't going to be driving anywhere near 155+ for a long stretch of time in the US unless you don't want a license.
If you are crafty enough you will find the hwy sweet spots.
One such example I found there are guard rails on both sides of the highway. No place for cops to hide except in the center hiding spot. These hiding spots are a few miles apart. If Im passing the first hiding spot around 80mph and punch it, I have enough distance to make it to 170ish and brake back down to 80 by the time Im crossing the next hiding spot.
And I dont see the P90d pulling over 1G at the track anytime soon. So my feelings are not hurt by this giant car just yet.
I dont expect non-car people to understand. I get that statement all the time.Darwin is going to kill you, and I'm gonna laugh.
I understand your points, but I was simply talking about the marginal gains of a supercar specifically. There is fun associated with many other hobbies, and I do understand decking cars out to a degree (lights, head unit, looks, etc). My issue is the whole horsepower/supercar thing. Simply... I don't see where you could ever possibly use such an engine in most/all real life scenarios. Let's say that I have some almonds. Then I opt for some much more expensive (let's pretend they are for the purposes of this) chocolate almonds. But I can't eat chocolate in my household for <inert arcane reasons here>. So I simply strip the chocolate and eat the almonds... for what purpose did I get chocolate covered almonds? To me that's what a supercar is like. I can't really push it to its potential, and use it for all it's worth. To me that's just like throwing money away for no real gain to myself.