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When is [H] going to get around to OC'ing a Tesla?
I've driven from Louisiana to AZ, and you could not do it in a Tesla. In fact, you can't get from Dallas to El Paso. To get to New Orleans, you'd have to go through Houston and it'd take you several hours out of your way. The point isn't just going to Coast to Coast, it's that the network of super chargers is virtually useless outside of the East and west coast and a few highways going towards Chicago. I55 goes from New Orleans to Chicago, but you probably couldn't get to St. Louis, even though Memphis is roughly 200 miles in between Jackson (has a super charger) and St. Louis. Want to go from Jackson to Atlanta? You can't.Who needs to drive coast to coast? Do you do that regularly? Ever? I've never done that and never will.
More realistically people drive North and South on the coasts, rather that East, West between them.
The network can't spring up overnight, it takes time and money, so some places of lower priority have to wait...
I've driven from Louisiana to AZ, and you could not do it in a Tesla. In fact, you can't get from Dallas to El Paso. To get to New Orleans, you'd have to go through Houston and it'd take you several hours out of your way.
When is [H] going to get around to OC'ing a Tesla?
Would be good general car for most people, ignoring the price mind you, as most people won't get close to 215 miles, and for those of you that say "well I regularly drive...." guess what you are not in the group of "most people".
That said, that 215 miles is really an ideal case, flat roads, lower than highway speeds, no wind. I would love one of these as Lake Tahoe and Yosemite are each within that 215 mile range (two places I do go to on a yearly basis as a vacation), but there's no way it would make it there (ignoring how I would charge once I get there). That said, it would be a good everyday car, but I already have one, granted the car is 10 years old, but the ol' Prius keeps going, we are a 1 car family, so one of these wouldn't be in my future even if I had to replace my Prius.
MB already has that with their Magic Sky Control sunroofs in certain models.And I wonder what sorts of fancy things they could do with that glass ceiling. I read a comment wondering aloud if a future announcement would be that the glass ceiling could be upgraded to some sort of electrochemical glass that could turn opaque on command if you wanted to block out sunlight. It would be just another example of super futuristic looking tech in the car.
EVs have been around since the 1800s, but it wasn't until recently that powerful batteries could be produced cheaply enough. No amount of development could have yielded a practical EV in the days of lead-acid batteriesConsidering that tech like EVs and fuel cells have been around since the 60s... And never went anywhere... It is pretty dang pathetic.
Granted they were primitive back then... But why did no one develop them then? Chicken and egg
EVs have been around since the 1800s, but it wasn't until recently that powerful batteries could be produced cheaply enough. No amount of development could have yielded a practical EV in the days of lead-acid batteries
276k orders now. Or roughly $276mil in deposits.
If every car is $35,000 and all preorders are fulfilled that is $9.66bil.
For context:
Ford Mustang 2015 (CalYear): 96,225
Chevy Camaro 2015 (CalYear): 61,544
BMW 3-Series 2015 (CalYear): 112,808
To fulfill the 276k preorders in two years time, the factory would need to work 24/7 and produce 378 cars PER day for 365 days of the year. That's if they only produced this one car and roughly 1 car every 4 minutes.
I think those who weren't early on the preorder train are going to be in for quite a long wait.
276k orders now. Or roughly $276mil in deposits.
I wonder if at some point they are going to shut down the reservation list, or start a waiting list for reservations, that you can only get if someone drops out.
This is definitely one for the automotive history books. I expect every other car company will be talking up their EV work in a big way now.
One more thing. Tesla doesn't even advertise.
I wonder if at some point they are going to shut down the reservation list, or start a waiting list for reservations, that you can only get if someone drops out.
This is definitely one for the automotive history books. I expect every other car company will be talking up their EV work in a big way now.
One more thing. Tesla doesn't even advertise.
People feel comfortable doing the $1000 reserve because there is no commitment. It's just a placeholder that can be withdrawn at any moment with no risk. Tesla shouldn't want to shut down the reservation list because this is basically an interest free loan for them.
If there was a commitment to buying, and part of the reserve was nonrefundable, I guarantee you there would be a lot less reservations.
Yea i think people are forgetting that this doesn't mean they are going to sell 250K+ cars for sure. A lot of people are reserving the spot early on so that in the event that they do want to buy the car they can do so without waiting additional 1-3 years for production to catch up to the queue. .
Yea thing is...20% of the USA power capacity is about to disappear. All that capacity is in nuclear reactor cores that are at or beyond their rated design lifetime.
And there is precisely zero movement to make up that pending loss in capacity. Hell, I could cover my roof with solar panels, and I wouldn't generate enough power to keep my computer/monitor and the lights on in the room on during the day. Considering much of the USA is all but uninhabitable during the summer months without high electrical usage to run air conditioning...we're going to have problems with these wiz-bang electric cars, if they ever catch on.
When I placed my preorder it said that they will contact later with the detailed options on your car purchase: color, options, etc. At that point the $1k becomes non-refundable.
However at that point if the local Tesla dealership doesn't have a model 3 to test drive, then I will definitely cancel it. There's no way I'd drop $1k before even trying the vehicle.
From what I understand the first people who were able to get their hands on the Tesla S and even X never test drove the car before. Correct me if I'm wrong. So most likely if you want it very early on you probably do have to buy it blindly and just trust elon based on the tesla S and X. I'm sure eventually you will be able to test drive the car before you buy but that will delay your delivery date so you won't have the car until production catches up to the people who bought it blindly.
From what I understand the first people who were able to get their hands on the Tesla S and even X never test drove the car before. Correct me if I'm wrong. So most likely if you want it very early on you probably do have to buy it blindly and just trust elon based on the tesla S and X. I'm sure eventually you will be able to test drive the car before you buy but that will delay your delivery date so you won't have the car until production catches up to the people who bought it blindly.
Public displays of your Green Piety, and until now, wealth.Teslas are, and always have been, cars for ...
EV isn't viable to many until they can drive anywhere with minimal fear of running out of juice with no recharge in sight, and recharge times rivaling a stop at the pumps, especially those who livelihoods depend on driving.
If you mean the III, that's fine. If you mean the S, I'm sorry, but it's a luxury car, and if I get one, the place I'd most like to take it is on the road, not to the grocery store and work. The S is competing with Mercedes, BMW, Audi and Lexus, not a Nissan Leaf.Teslas are, and always have been, cars for commuting and local driving. Nobody who buys one should realistically think they will drive cross country (or cross many states) with one. That said, just because the infrastructure for a few hundred mile drive doesn't exist where you are, doesn't mean it doesn't exist anywhere or won't exist in the future.
Right now, a Tesla is (a) a primary car for a mid-mileage commuter who doesn't travel long distances by car regularly, and (b) a second car for a family that already has a gas car to handle long trips. I'm actually right in the (a) section. I live near work (which has free charging stations) and I rarely drive more than a couple hundred miles a *week*. Point: My 2005 car has less than 80K on it.
I just have an irrational disdain of touch screens in cars, so I am not seriously looking at the 3 or any other Tesla. I'm more interested in what cars exist soon after it does.
Public displays of your Green Piety, and until now, wealth.
'Teslas are about status over substance' confirmed.... and sour grapes from some who don't own it.
'Teslas are about status over substance' confirmed.
The free Media buzz for giving that car the awards had nothing to do with it? The Socio-Political climate that rewards such cooing over Tesla or an all electric had nothing to do with it? Or members with rose colored glasses had nothing to do with it. All with no cost to their credibility because there is no electric car in that price range to compete and make comparisons.The only thing confirmed is your sour grapes.
The Model S was Motor Trends car of the year, no big deal, but it was also the only unanimous vote they ever had in the history of the Award.
Consumer Reports gave the Model S the highest score they ever gave any car, in the history of the magazine.
That isn't status, it's a damn great car. It isn't just great for an EV, it's great for any car.
The free Media buzz for giving that car the awards had nothing to do with it? The Socio-Political climate that rewards such cooing over Tesla or an all electric had nothing to do with it? Or members with rose colored glasses had nothing to do with it. All with no cost to their credibility because there is no electric car in that price range to compete and make comparisons.
They are now making a car that is actually something to compare against.
All $100,000+ vehicles are nice for one reason or another. Or should I say Tesla S's really start at $150,000. They get $7,500 which everyone knows about. EV's also get 5 fuel economy credits they can sell to other automakers which are priced at rough $5,000 give or take. And Telsa and the State of CA perpetrated a fraud concerning the battery fast change which gives them another 4 credits. So you really need to compare them against other cars starting at $150,000.
It has nice 0-60 acceleration, but that's a one-trick pony associated with a different technology. Did they ever fix the squeak in the glass roof that develops if you push the car regularly?
Its true I have some heartburn over Tesla's false hype. But that's it. I have no sour grapes over not having one. IF you offered me one, like any $100,000+ car I would take it long enough to sell it. I am inherently cheap, and I would have to make millions to pay for a car just for status, especially status built on uneducated Buzz.
But go ahead keep implying you think I feel left out of money or access and keep proving the motivation behind wanting one.
k. sure. whatever. Enjoy your Tesla Cruze.I think your angry rants continue to prove you have a textbook case of sour grapes.
So no mercedes, because they make Smart cars. No Lexus, because Toyota. Audi? That's a Volkswagen. Infinity? Nissan. Acura? Honda. Ferrari? Chrysler. I could go on, but using your logic, you've pretty much eliminated every luxury car out there...I guess maybe you can still buy a Mclaren (but maybe some big company owns them too).'Teslas are about status over substance' confirmed.
But anyway, you entirely missed my zing. And I didn't think it was that subtle. Just about anyone can own one now. The only exclusion is the level of fanboy-ism in which you got yourself on the wait list. And in all honesty from what the magzines say there will be at least two models of cars that are this car's competitors (same price, same range, maybe even a little better on one or the other) on the road for 1 or 2 years before this. This will be a Johnny come lately when it does come out, that's what being on the wait list will get you.
But about the price point. Do you really think the fact Lincolns come form the same company that Fiestas come from doesn't hurt the perception of Lincolns? Same for Cadillac and Cruzes? Well now Tesla has it's Cruze. And all those Model S's just got a little less special.
Model S owners do pay for supercharging. It's part of the price. I'd be shocked if the 3 doesn't have that too.Tesla is elon musk's vision to remove our dependence on oil and to decrease world's pollution. It was never about making cars of higher status than other luxury cars. The reason they are expensive is that you are basically buying prototypes and funding the development of the model 3. Everyone knew model 3 was coming out in the future before even the model X was out. The plan was to make an affordable EV car that could work for most people and break the myth of EV cars being ugly, small, slow, unsafe, impractical, etc. Even if Tesla isn't the right car for you, competition is a good thing for the auto industry. Considering how fast technology has developed, automobiles have always been many years behind in keeping up because they had no incentive. These 14 giant corporations dominate the global auto industry leading to an oligopoly driving up prices and increased margin. The model 3 doesn't affect the price of the model S anyway. The model S is much larger, faster, has all the tech stuff that model 3 probably won't have unless they allow for a lot of options on the model 3 bringing the price up to 60k+ dollars. Also the more teslas that are sold the more supercharging stations will be developed. Who even knows if model 3 owners will have to pay for supercharging while model S owners won't. Or model S owners getting first dibs on charging spots.
Model S owners do pay for supercharging. It's part of the price. I'd be shocked if the 3 doesn't have that too.
The upfront payment doesn't go into some kind of Supercharger fund to pay for future charging though. It is really new cars paying for old customer to keep charging their cars for free, forever.
That really isn't going to be sustainable if Tesla really starts pumping out hundreds of thousands of cars/year, or when growth levels off.
So I have my doubts that Supercharging will be the same for the Model 3 as it is for the the Model S. I wouldn't be surprised to see some kind of usage charge, or usage restriction on Model 3.
Elon Musk already confirmed on Twitter that the Model 3 includes Supercharging. I don't see the Model 3 gaining fast traction without it IMO.
There might be restrictions, but I have doubts on that. Seen no evidence to back up that theory.