It's happening, affordable 4k OLED TV's are finally becoming a reality

coolhandm3 said:
I was experimenting with the EC9300 last night, my goal was to see if I could stop the ABL from kicking in and reduce the vertical banding on the tv.

This is my findings:

I was playing Forza 6 in PC mode and in game mode, oled light at 60 and contrast at 80 , brightness at 50, w50 color. I noticed as soon as I began to race the tv was dimming all over the place that had white letters ( time, place, speedometer, the clouds in the sky aswell!)

So I did this, I reduced the contrast to 59 and put the oled light to 80. The picture still looked fantastic and reminded me more of the Elite pro101 I had in the past.

These settings turned off the ABL on the set! Now full screen white and the white letters in Forza 6 and the clouds do not dim!

An interesting side effect of this was that it reduced the vertical banding to the point where even if I try to look for it, I can't see it!

Please try these settings and enjoy the no ABL. Even normal tv benefits from this, especially full screen white commercials and full screen colors, no more dimming.

This was all done on the newest firmware 5.00.15. I also checked with my Leo Bodnar and on PC mode with game mode which is the lowest lag possible on this set ( I have tried every setting and hdmi input etc) I am now getting 29ms-35ms for the middle bar. At times on the 5.00.05 firmware I was getting some weird spikes to 42-47 ms for the middle bar, that is gone now, its back to what it was before the 5.00.05 update which seemed to cause some issues.
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i found your another post about balming ec9300's input lag ( 35~47 ms from middle bar and it is posted on november ) is the input lag stably 29~35 ms on the newfirmware or not ? just wondering..

please check pm btw :) thx in advance
 
k983837 said:
i found your another post about balming ec9300's input lag ( 35~47 ms from middle bar and it is posted on november ) is the input lag stably 29~35 ms on the newfirmware or not ? just wondering..

please check pm btw :) thx in advance
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PM Sent :)
 
A stable 35ms on the middle bar would be very acceptable !

BTW unless there's some kind of processing at work, variations in the delay's lenght on the same bar should only happen with genuinely different signals, or huge brightness differences (which normally don't apply here).
 
According to this it looks like prices are going to be halved again?

If this is the case I'll be picking up an OLED TV for use as a monitor this christmas!
 
Cool Vibrations said:
A new challenger has entered the fray.

Looks like the LG has been dethroned. Can't wait for Sony and Samsung to join the lineup.
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Panasonic has no plans on mass producing that TV, so I would hardly call it dethroning. Samsung already pulled OUT of the oled race and panny has not said anything ant entering officially. While I don't know the exact reasons why I don't think either company plans to invest in the technology per what I've read on sites like AVS forum and whatnot, they're in an uproar ant it. So yeah, we can't get our hopes up just yet.
 
MaZa said:
Wasn't the reason why Samsung pulled out was because LG basically had a monopoly on the WRGB OLED, the panel that is the only one that would work for monitor/TV use due to the poor lifetime of blue OLEDs and burn-in issues normal AMOLED (which Samsung used and still use on phones/tablets) screens have.
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Maybe the patent runs out around then.
 
Doesn't LG make the panels for Samsung? I could be wrong but I've heard it more than once. In fact, I think they supply for alot of companies (not sharp though)

I haven't really researched this but I've heard I t plenty
 
RaZoRbLaDeD said:
Doesn't LG make the panels for Samsung?
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I think you're thinking of Panasonic's recent $10k OLED that they are marketing as the premium alternative to LG's. LG provides that panel to Panasonic. And it is the same panel as their own offerings. Samsung doesn't currently have an OLED TV for which LG would be making the panel. But, as mentioned prior, that is reportedly about to change.
 
It now look's like OLED has enough steam to eventually take over the entire display market. Praise Jebus that LCD's time left on this planet is now finite.
 
Vega said:
It now look's like OLED has enough steam to eventually take over the entire display market. Praise Jebus that LCD's time left on this planet is now finite.
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I truly, truly hope so. If a 65" OLED for ~$2k ever arrived, I'd snap it up in a heartbeat.
 
LCD ojisan wa, mou...shindeiru.

$8.7 billion in new OLED plant ?
Hope they're not putting all that money into making iPhone displays.
 
Richard Jones said:
LCD ojisan wa, mou...shindeiru.

$8.7 billion in new OLED plant ?
Hope they're not putting all that money into making iPhone displays.
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The company said it will spend an initial 1.84 trillion won to begin building the plant, called P10, in Paju, South Korea, to make panels across all product segments including large screens for TVs and flexible OLED panels for devices such as smartwatches and auto displays.

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The news was posted because any indication of health for OLED technology bodes well for the eventual appearance of a OLED monitor.
 
Yes mass market computer displays will be the last to receive OLED's. :mad:
 
I'd be happy if we could just get a good OLED monitor with low input lag and FreeSync.

Fucking shitty display manufacturers. Is there ANY valid excuse to have OLED monitors with high input lag? I just don't get it.
 
Good for them.

The display industry is a funny thing. It seems like the true benefits of the technology are secondary to how well companies can market and sell "features..." even if the features are gimmicks or stuff used only to overcome limitations not found in another superior display technology. Maybe I'm biased because all my TV's have been plasmas, but I feel like plasma was intentionally killed off by manufacturers because they couldn't tack on a zillion stupid "features" to plasma sets (because they didn't need them) which they could then charge a premium for.

Hopefully this doesn't happen to OLED...if someone makes a low input lag OLED TV in the future, I think I have my plasma TV replacement!
 
MaZa said:
Wasn't the reason why Samsung pulled out was because LG basically had a monopoly on the WRGB OLED, the panel that is the only one that would work for monitor/TV use due to the poor lifetime of blue OLEDs and burn-in issues normal AMOLED (which Samsung used and still use on phones/tablets) screens have.
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The white subpixel seems to be used in place of green, rather than blue, so I don't think that's the reason behind the WRGB pixel structure.
They are using white OLED materials with color filters on top (like an LCD) to improve the lifetime of the panel though, as this lets them use materials which have higher longevity than blue OLED materials that have accurate color reproduction by themselves.
 
Night_Hawk-19 said:
Well till they get over 60 hertz its pointless for gaming.
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Not REALLY. I know we all like to tout the 144FPS Master race superiority, but lets face it: singleplayer or slow-paced multiplayer games are perfectly enjoyable at 60FPS. In some instances, I would take the higher contrast and more vivid colours over the higher refresh.
 
KazeoHin said:
Not REALLY. I know we all like to tout the 144FPS Master race superiority, but lets face it: singleplayer or slow-paced multiplayer games are perfectly enjoyable at 60FPS. In some instances, I would take the higher contrast and more vivid colours over the higher refresh.
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if you can go back to 60 Hz after using 120+ and not constantly be thinking "my god this is choppy and blurry" you're a stronger man than i am. it doesn't matter how good static image quality is if motion looks like shit imo.
 
Odellus said:
if you can go back to 60 Hz after using 120+ and not constantly be thinking "my god this is choppy" you're a stronger man than i am. it doesn't matter how good static image quality is if motion looks like shit, in my opinion.
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I know your pain! I used 144Hz monitors for gaming and just the motion of the mouse on the desktop feels sooooo nice. But You do get used to the 60Hz choppiness after a few days. after that it feels fine. I still would prefer a 144+ for high-speed gaming, but 60Hz at least meets the bare requirements for me.
 
finally got our 65" EF9500 up

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Proper uncompressed 4k looks incredible on this thing, But coming from a Panasonic ZT plasma I will say the OLED isn't as good. While the blacks and contrast are better on OLED, the video processing and motion smoothness are far superior on the Plasma. Anyone with a 2013 Panny plasma should hold off on OLED until the tech improves. Gaming how ever feels fine, don't notice any input lag (though not sensitive to it)
 
Damn, that looks awesome. Thanks for the info and comparison, though. Sounds like I should hold off another generation or two.
 
Martha Stewart said:
finally got our 65" EF9500 up

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Proper uncompressed 4k looks incredible on this thing, But coming from a Panasonic ZT plasma I will say the OLED isn't as good. While the blacks and contrast are better on OLED, the video processing and motion smoothness are far superior on the Plasma. Anyone with a 2013 Panny plasma should hold off on OLED until the tech improves. Gaming how ever feels fine, don't notice any input lag (though not sensitive to it)
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Nice work. You're right though, while it's often overlooked, the motion blur problem still hasn't been solved on OLEDs yet. They look and feel better in motion than LCDs because of their much faster response time, but they are still full-persistence sample-and-hold displays.
 
The picture looks great, sad to hear about the smoothness issue on the panel though. I wonder if that's hardware related or what.
 
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