The Division - officially announced for PC!

Let's just leave this downgrade discussion be - seems like its going in circles and not anywhere productive.
 
polonyc2 said:
but if you're playing on PC and install mods to make it look stunning then is it really a downgrade?
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Of course its a downgrade, they squirrel away those settings because they never had any intention of the final game having those visuals. That's quite apart from the fact that the E3 demo had assets, lighting and effects built specifically for the trailer which never made its way into the retail build. And whether or not those mods made the game stunning is questionable, Watch Dogs is a poor man's GTA which comes up woefully short in terms of fidelity and attention to detail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGRsrFdwb2c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcCqfuam-tc

polonyc2 said:
they have come clean...they released the initial E3 video but later videos and the recent Xbox alpha and upcoming multiplatform beta will show the graphics as they are...so there's no deception except from the Ubi-haters and people who constantly like to gripe about graphics downgrades
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No they haven't come clean, its a very obvious PR strategy, these reveal trailers are designed to generate hype and grab attention, but also are intended to be forgotten closer to release as more representative trailers are released. They did the exact same thing with Watch Dogs and right up to release flat out denied that the retail version was any different from the E3 trailer. I don't know how anyone can find such practices acceptable.

You can already see in interviews that have been done that Massive are doing their best to avoid talking about it, let alone admitting it:

“Downgrading is a weird term to use. Obviously, we want to make a game that looks the best it can on its respective format, so Xbox One, PlayStation 4, and PC. So I think the term downgrade is a bit confusing and weird because we’re trying to get the most out of every machine we use. So Xbox gets its attention, PlayStation gets its attention, and PC of course will be able to cram it up a bit more depending on the hardware you have.”
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http://wccftech.com/ubisoft-graphics-parity-pc-ps4-xbox-the-division/

polonyc2 said:
..didn't Witcher 3 have a downgrade at launch?
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It did, and CDPR had a metric fuck tonne of shit piled on it as a result. But Witcher 3 is distinguishable because firstly compared to Ubi CDPR doesn't have an established pattern of behavior of blatant misrepresentation with all its games, and secondly Witcher 3 is designed from the outset to be modded, meaning that the community has been able to significantly improve the visuals of the PC version by modding in new assets.

polonyc2 said:
....seems like people only want to harp on certain titles or developers
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Mostly Ubi, funnily enough.

polonyc2 said:
the only game that blatantly lied concerning graphics was Aliens: Colonial Marines...they lied all the way up to release...Watch Dogs and other titles released updated trailers and gameplay footage prior to launch
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So you are saying that Ubi didn't lie all the way up to release about Watch Dogs? Okay then....

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zamardii12 said:
I still have to take issue with your reasoning here. Think about it this way, if they showed the Division to the public and they show the graphics in a quality that is the lowest common denominator then people will say that the graphics are shit and possibly not buy it. Do you see what I am saying? Your argument totally makes sense to me and I agree about Watchdogs however think about it in terms of PC players. The Division is also being released on PC, so then what about when people who say haven't upgraded their videocard or whatever in a while can't get the game to run smoothly for them? They literally can not make everybody happy and it's not possible. What do you think would be the most sensible thing to do to sell a product like a videogame being sold on multiple platforms? To show the game at it's best or it's worse?
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It's got nothing to do with showing graphics at their best or worst, and with showing graphics that are simply not attainable on any platform. That is a fundamental point of distinction, and you keep defending Ubi as if it doesn't have a well established pattern of behavior when it comes to perpetuating bold faced lies about the veracity of its trailers.

I obviously need to keep reposting this video on every page of this thread, because its something that the apologists seem to constantly overlook.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7nfIu4Jo0g
 
Blade-Runner said:
It's got nothing to do with showing graphics at their best or worst, and with showing graphics that are simply not attainable on any platform. That is a fundamental point of distinction, and you keep defending Ubi as if it doesn't have a well established pattern of behavior when it comes to perpetuating bold faced lies about the veracity of its trailers.

I obviously need to keep reposting this video on every page of this thread, because its something that the apologists seem to constantly overlook.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7nfIu4Jo0g
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Please just stick to your shit anime brawlers.
 
Blade-Runner said:
That's your most cogent and intelligent response to this thread?

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BTW, I own and play lots of games, but hardly any of them are brawlers, let alone shit anime ones.
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huehuehue games are too expensive in AUS huehuehue
huehuehue UBISOFT huehuehue
huehuehue meme spam huehuehue
 
Blade-Runner said:
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Just amazing that a person has nothing better to do than vehemently spam every Ubisoft/EA thread with random garbage.
Ever stop and think about the fact that nobody gives a shit? That the majority of people buy games for entertainment and couldn't give two shits about your petty internet drama?

I'll stop feeding now...
 
schoolslave said:
Just amazing that a person has nothing better to do than vehemently spam every Ubisoft/EA thread with random garbage.
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Even more amazing than clueless and insightless apologists like yourself who can only engage in ad hominem attacks rather than addressing the actual criticisms being levied.

schoolslave said:
Ever stop and think about the fact that nobody gives a shit? That the majority of people buy games for entertainment and couldn't give two shits about your petty internet drama?
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You obviously give a shit, otherwise why are you bothering to post? Do arguments criticizing your favorite corporate entities offend your fees fees?

schoolslave said:
I'll stop feeding now...
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The irony that you came into this thread posting flame bait is obviously lost on you.
 
I think some of you guys need to focus your hate on more productive things. "I won't buy UBI games! I hate UBI" "But I'll post in every UBI related thread out there to show my hate!"

Yes, that's filled with logic.

0_o

I care less they dumbed down the graphics. I could give a shit.

Game looks different than any I've seen. I'll be buying it.
 
Eshelmen last time I checked this is a discussion forum, generally that discussion will encompass both criticism and praise. People who don't like to read criticisms can easily deal with the issue by ignoring the posts or putting the users on ignore. It happens in every other thread (go look at the Star Citizen thread to see the amount of vitriolic posting that goes on there), I don't see why Ubi related threads should be treated any differently.
 
schoolslave said:
Oh that's right, I feel the need to derail every Ubi/EA/Triple-A game thread. That's right, totally slipped my mind, sorry.
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Apparently so since you were the one starting off with a personal attack that had nothing to do with the topic. At least the rest of us are talking about The Division / Ubisoft...why are you here?
 
The initial release gameplay trailer was amazing. Scripted to hell but it showed fantastic potential. The more recent vids I've seen are .... less visually stunning. You'd expect the first peak to be a bit rough around the edges, then as the months/years go on, more polish is added to the game.

The Division has gone the other way around. Perhaps they are trying to numb the graphic fidelity to conform to the last gen consoles? Or just consoles in general? Because we can't have the obviously superior PC graphics be better than consoles!!1 / s
 
schoolslave said:
Oh that's right, I feel the need to derail every Ubi/EA/Triple-A game thread. That's right, totally slipped my mind, sorry.
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They been doing it along time. And if you have a different experience with a game you are instantly called a liar. It's kinda comedy at this point.

Anyways looking forward to this game. Can't wait too see more of it.
 
Blade-Runner said:
Of course its a downgrade, they squirrel away those settings because they never had any intention of the final game having those visuals. That's quite apart from the fact that the E3 demo had assets, lighting and effects built specifically for the trailer which never made its way into the retail build. And whether or not those mods made the game stunning is questionable, Watch Dogs is a poor man's GTA which comes up woefully short in terms of fidelity and attention to detail
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first off I'm not condoning this behavior or think Ubi is flawless...Ubi has a bad track record and I'm not a blind supporter but I also think this graphics downgrade talk is overblown...as far as launch trailers I look at them as tech demos or prototypes...prototypes are not final versions, they are just meant to let people know that a game/product is in development...it happens in every product from televisions to toasters...changes are expected before it goes final...the term downgrade applies only after a finished product is put on the shelf...I think AC: Unity had a post-release downgrade in visual quality as have several other games

the latest Fallout 4 patch downgraded the shadows...that is a way bigger issue...that is deceiving customers...releasing a tech demo and then changing things is not...maybe the game was not performing up to specs or it was causing some major bugs...a launch trailer is pre-alpha footage...this was common knowledge back in the day but nowadays people go crazy because they want to generate controversy

'technically' when Ubisoft states that Watch Dogs didn't suffer from any graphics downgrade they are correct...you cannot downgrade something that never existed outside of a prototype...the Steam Controller went through several revisions and the same with the VR tech...downgrade is a hot button issue for gamers these days but most of them don't know what it actually means

Blade-Runner said:
No they haven't come clean, its a very obvious PR strategy, these reveal trailers are designed to generate hype and grab attention, but also are intended to be forgotten closer to release as more representative trailers are released. They did the exact same thing with Watch Dogs and right up to release flat out denied that the retail version was any different from the E3 trailer. I don't know how anyone can find such practices acceptable.

You can already see in interviews that have been done that Massive are doing their best to avoid talking about it, let alone admitting it
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you just stated in your own words that "these reveal trailers are designed to generate hype but also are intended to be forgotten closer to release as more representative trailers are released"...BINGO!...Eureka!...exactly!...they are intended to be forgotten...the later trailers are the ones people remember and are indicative of actual gameplay
 
polonyc2 said:
'technically' when Ubisoft states that Watch Dogs didn't suffer from any graphics downgrade they are correct...you cannot downgrade something that never existed outside of a prototype..
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First off, that's completely buying into their narrative revisionism which in any event doesn't even make sense when they explicitly made claims like "it will look better than the E3 trailer". Uh no it fucking didn't, not by a long stretch. The game might have not existed outside of a prototype, but that's certainly not what they want the masses to know right up to release.

polonyc2 said:
you just stated in your own words that "these reveal trailers are designed to generate hype but also are intended to be forgotten closer to release as more representative trailers are released"...BINGO!...Eureka!...exactly!...they are intended to be forgotten...the later trailers are the ones people remember and are indicative of actual gameplay
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Yes, intended to be forgotten by the very company that wishes to take advantage of the very short memories of its audience. The fact that they don't even label their trailers as as prototypes and not representative of actual final product is demonstrable of the misleading character of their advertising practices, they quite clearly want people to think that reveal trailers are what we can expect of a final game. If Ubisoft really didn't think it was doing anything wrong then it wouldn't have gone out of its way to assure everyone that its advertising practices have changed after the Watch Dogs debacle...

http://www.theguardian.com/technolo...ogs-yves-guillemot?CMP=twt_technology-gdntech

but only because they got caught with their hands in the cookie jar :rolleyes:
 
Kinda hard not to hate on Ubisoft with their track record and the fact they did youtube videos showcasing their engine and fidelity. Props to people on both side of the issue who actually DISCUSS it because thats what forums are for.
 
MavericK96 said:
Apparently so since you were the one starting off with a personal attack that had nothing to do with the topic. At least the rest of us are talking about The Division / Ubisoft...why are you here?
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That discussion is lol worthy. "Hurr durr reveal trailer had photorealistic grafix, but the new alpha doesn't. OMG SUCH SHIT GAME FUCK UBISOFT WOW THEY SUCK WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS". Without even playing the game or the alpha "it's the same as every other Ubisoft game with boring open world gameplay blah blah blah". Nice discussion you guys are having. The reason it's being called out is because this same argument is made in every Ubisoft thread by the same people. If the gameplay is shit by the time the beta is over, then you guys will have an argument.
 
xIronCrossx said:
That discussion is lol worthy. "Hurr durr reveal trailer had photorealistic grafix, but the new alpha doesn't. OMG SUCH SHIT GAME FUCK UBISOFT WOW THEY SUCK WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS". Without even playing the game or the alpha "it's the same as every other Ubisoft game with boring open world gameplay blah blah blah". Nice discussion you guys are having.
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Where did anyone say the game sucked? I also don't see anywhere where someone said "same as every other Ubisoft game, boring open world gameplay" etc. that you pseudo-quoted.

xIronCrossx said:
The reason it's being called out is because this same argument is made in every Ubisoft thread by the same people. If the gameplay is shit by the time the beta is over, then you guys will have an argument.
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1) Yes, it is the same argument because guess what? Ubisoft keeps doing the same shit over and over.

2) At that point it won't be the same argument because no one here is arguing about actual gameplay, since few if any of us have played the closed alpha.


Feels like I'm talking to a brick wall here...the argument is and always was regarding BS trailers that show graphics levels unattainable in the final game. I have no idea where you guys are getting that we're saying the gameplay sucks or anything remotely similar. But the FACT remains that Ubisoft has done this exact thing with trailers numerous times.
 
That's my point, you are just arguing the same "graphics aren't same as trailer ermagerd!!!!" and dismissing the game. It seems people flip flop whether they care about graphics or gameplay in this section based on the publisher/developer.

Oh and what is this?

Blade-Runner said:
Come on be realistic, this is Ubi we are talking about, all its sand box games are just about copy and paste jobs with the same redundant game mechanics, filler side quests, excessive collectibles, tower activation, etc. Given its predisposition to lie about graphics, its not a stretch of the imagination that it will lie about anything else if it means selling more copies.
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xIronCrossx said:
Oh and what is this?
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So you disagree that Ubisoft employs the same stale mechanics across all its open world games, but you're just incapable of stating that in a civil way on an internet forum and would rather employ inflammatory rhetoric?
 
Blade-Runner said:
So you disagree that Ubisoft employs the same stale mechanics across all its open world games, but you're just incapable of stating that in a civil way on an internet forum and would rather employ inflammatory rhetoric?
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People just get really defensive on here, no idea why. I guess I could understand its like some indie game or dev that really gives a shit and it makes you mad when people talk shit out of their butts(even then I don't go to war over it) but this is Ubisoft. When was the last time Ubisoft made a game because they genuinely wanted to make a game just for the sake of it? No money no tricks no politics?

As for the division the really obnoxious pretend multiplayer campaign they streamed was enough to me go "look man if you don't have the faith in your own game to just let people see it the way it is, why the hell should I trust you with my preorder?" and sadly nothing thats come out since has changed my mind. On the surface I would love to believe its gonna be some sort of successor to Freedom Fighters, probably in my top 5 games of all time, but it wont be it will be a shallow open world assassin creed clone with more unrewarding fetch quests than you can shake stick at and thats if it even launches in one piece. With are luck youll launch the game and your car will explode.

On that note FUCK YOU TWICE Ubisoft for The Crew. You promised me this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WibVKyF78RE

FUCKING THAT WTF HAPPENED? Fucking liars.

Sorry calming down. That one is just a real sore spot with me and my G27 gathering dust in the corner.
 
EA is literally robbing you with their games and DLC prices, but at least you know what you are getting if you buy any of their games.. Not so with Ubisoft! They usually show some spectacular "next gen" graphics which ends up looking very last gen at release. I don't even think that's the worst part though, no the worst part is the denial from Ubisoft about the downgrades.
 
These $40 Season Passes are getting a bit out of hand...what happened to $20-25?
 
MrWrong said:
You can blame EA for that with their $50 premium for BF games
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Blame EA for what, exactly? There aren't many things about EA i'd defend, but in today's market, BF premium is an exceptional value. Take a look at past battlefield games. Their expansion packs retailed for somewhere around $30 IIRC (at least BF2 special forces did), and added 6-8 maps. BF4 premium adds 20 maps for $50, and somehow that's a bad value?

The price of DLC is only relevant to what it contains. Back in the day, nobody bitched about $30-$40 expansion packs, but they were also expected to be have the amount of content rivaling their base game. If The Divisions DLC ends up being expansion pack quality content, there's nothing wrong with a $40 price tag. If it ends up being 2-3 hours of tagged on missions, and a handful of cosmetic items... that's a massive ripoff.

Nobody knows anything about what this season pass gets you, so calling it a raw deal, or saying it's only worth ~$20 is silly. About all that can be said right now is that for not knowing what you get, gambling $40 is probably an unwise thing to do. Lucky for us, nobody is forcing us to get the season pass, be it now, or after release. There is plenty of time to wait and see what it entails before spending that money.
 
after all the delays I keep forgetting the game is set for release in March...looking forward to the upcoming PC beta
 
Viper87227 said:
Blame EA for what, exactly?
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Blame them for the standard price for a season pass slowly creeping higher. They were one of the first, if not the first, to set it at $50 with premium. Other companies are now follwing their lead.

I have premium for BF3 and BF4 and I agree in those cases it was worth the cost. I got both on sale and didnt pay the full $50 but that is besides the point. If these new season passes are worth the price or not has yet to be seen. Only time will tell us that, and like you said we have a choice of not buying them if they arent justified.
 
MavericK said:
These $40 Season Passes are getting a bit out of hand...what happened to $20-25?
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Right? People ate that shit up at $20, and they apparently eat that shit up at twice that price as well. In my opinion, Season Passes are stupid. But people want it, so why not take even more money from them?
 
MrWrong said:
Blame them for the standard price for a season pass slowly creeping higher. They were one of the first, if not the first, to set it at $50 with premium. Other companies are now follwing their lead.

I have premium for BF3 and BF4 and I agree in those cases it was worth the cost. I got both on sale and didnt pay the full $50 but that is besides the point. If these new season passes are worth the price or not has yet to be seen. Only time will tell us that, and like you said we have a choice of not buying them if they arent justified.
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I still really don't think EA had much to do with the price of DLC creeping up. Like I said, liken it to an expansion pack. We've been paying high prices for add-on content for a while, the only difference is the name and the delivery method.
 
I'll reserve judgment on gameplay until I play the beta, but I am half expecting the retail version to be stuffed to the gills with bullshit microtransactions and DLC.
 
Viper87227 said:
Their expansion packs retailed for somewhere around $30 IIRC (at least BF2 special forces did), and added 6-8 maps. BF4 premium adds 20 maps for $50, and somehow that's a bad value?
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Not really a fair comparison since those packs added a lot more than just maps. Felt like you got a lot more for your money with a $30 expansion pack versus $15-20 DLCs these days.

polonyc2 said:
new The Division gameplay trailer...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ef0KMcYbiA

ignoring any graphics downgrade talk and talking strictly about gameplay this looks like it has tons of potential...I'm officially excited again
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I don't know...looks okay but it's starting to feel like another Destiny situation. Looks cool and a cool concept but ultimately from the gameplay it just looks shallow. Could still be decent though.
 
I doubt It will be better that Escape from Tarkow. + it is ubisoft, I am playing Rainbow Six Siege now and I see how they treat their servers and players of the game.
Man, fucok Ubisoft, im done.
 
The Division beta gets January launch date

The Division's beta will run from January 29-31 on PC and Playstation 4, Ubisoft has announced...Xbox One owners get the beta from January 28-31- so 1 day earlier

Access is open to everyone who has pre-ordered the game, as well as folk who sign up to the waiting list on Ubisoft's site...there's no word yet on what the beta will include, or if another will follow before the game's March 8th release date...

http://tomclancy-thedivision.ubi.com/game/en-GB/beta/index.aspx

I just signed up for the waiting list!...hope I get in
 
polonyc2 said:
The Division beta gets January launch date

The Division's beta will run from January 29-31 on PC and Playstation 4, Ubisoft has announced...Xbox One owners get the beta from January 28-31- so 1 day earlier

Access is open to everyone who has pre-ordered the game, as well as folk who sign up to the waiting list on Ubisoft's site...there's no word yet on what the beta will include, or if another will follow before the game's March 8th release date...

http://tomclancy-thedivision.ubi.com/game/en-GB/beta/index.aspx

I just signed up for the waiting list!...hope I get in
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The Alpha was fucking awesome. I am super excited. The hype for this game is legitimate based off of what i've played. Graphics were great, looting was awesome, Dark Zone was cool, controls and cover system were super solid and fluid. Can't wait to run around New York with my buddies (fellow Agents).
 
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