Windows 10: Your thoughts so far?

B00nie said:
Safe and surfing can't be connected when on windows. End of story.
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So every Windows machine that's used for web surfing is unsafe or infected with malware that came from surfing? You're simply making ridiculous claims with no proof.
 
B00nie, you made your point already: You feel the risk of browsing in Windows is too great for you. Fine, so be it. If it makes you feel like Mr. Big Man to put-down nearly everyone else...you might enjoy posting at one of the nasty (anti) social sites that specializes in arrogance and a cloister mentality.
 
heatlesssun said:
So every Windows machine that's used for web surfing is unsafe or infected with malware that came from surfing? You're simply making ridiculous claims with no proof.
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It's a fact that millions of Windows PC:s are infected as we speak. And the major source of infection is internet based attacks.

Simple facts that you can't disprove.
 
B00nie said:
It's a fact that millions of Windows PC:s are infected as we speak. And the major source of infection is internet based attacks.

Simple facts that you can't disprove.
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You act as those these infections aren't preventable. Almost all of them are. Indeed how many people infect themselves running as a local admin and running or installing software outside of a web browser because it says something like "Flash player upgrade!" or some web site will "warn you of an infection" that can be easily "cleaned up" by running this "simple program"?
 
heatlesssun said:
You act as those these infections aren't preventable. Almost all of them are. Indeed how many people infect themselves running as a local admin and running or installing software outside of a web browser because it says something like "Flash player upgrade!" or some web site will "warn you of an infection" that can be easily "cleaned up" by running this "simple program"?
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Yes yes yes and windows having you by default as an admin has nothing to do with the success of the attacks. Or the fact that 99,9% of the attacks are aimed towards Windows, some of which are 0 day attacks that you can _not_ defend against.

The simple fact is that if you want to surf safe, use any other OS than windows. That will drop your chances of even being attacked to a fraction of a percent. I can only feel pity to people who surf the web, download e-mails to their local machines and then do internet banking lol.
 
B00nie said:
Yes yes yes and windows having you by default as an admin has nothing to do with the success of the attacks.
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This is nonsense. Even Linux discourages the use of root for full time use for exactly the same reasons it's a bad idea for Windows. There isn't a more important concept in computer security than that of least privileged user.
 
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B00nie said:
Lol you are on crack. Countless millions get infected constantly doing so. Safe and surfing can't be connected when on windows. End of story.
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Actually. Safe and surfing can occur on any machine and any os is and any browser. Unless of course you are browsing and surfing less than stand up websites (porn, torrents, etc etc)

In my experience the number 1 safety is not the browser, or blocking flash, or blocking ads, but just not looking or surfing the crap
 
H-street said:
In my experience the number 1 safety is not the browser, or blocking flash, or blocking ads, but just not looking or surfing the crap
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Even in those cases it's extremely difficult to attack a modern updated Windows machine when native extensions aren't allowed without user intervention. That's probably the #1 reason why Microsoft dropped them with Edge with the exception of Flash that can only be updated via Windows Updated.
 
Wow, we've thrown this thread off the tracks. Yeah, I'm to blame, too.
 
heatlesssun said:
This is nonsense. Even Linux discourages the use of root for full time use for exactly the same reasons it's a bad idea for Windows. There isn't a more important concept in computer security than that of least privileged user.
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Yes and unlike windows, linux doesn't put you as admin by default (and most users never change the defaults). Besides that wasn't the point. When you surf using windows you're the target of practically every possible attack and exploit known to man.

Other OSes are not targeted much at all and are therefore inherently safer to use on the web.
 
H-street said:
Actually. Safe and surfing can occur on any machine and any os is and any browser. Unless of course you are browsing and surfing less than stand up websites (porn, torrents, etc etc)

In my experience the number 1 safety is not the browser, or blocking flash, or blocking ads, but just not looking or surfing the crap
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That's where you're wrong. Or did you miss the ad content hijacking attacks completely where completely benign news sites, blogs etc. were displaying ads which unknown to them had an attack embedded? Older windows could be rooted through a malformed jpg for pete's sakes. Actually the amount of unpatched XP users is still a large chunk of windows user base. All those users of older computers that can't afford to upgrade their hardware are stuck with the age old versions. Some can't even afford the price of the OS.

The fact is that an attack can be embedded to virtually anything you surf, even HardOCP flash ads.
 
B00nie said:
Other OSes are not targeted much at all and are therefore inherently safer to use on the web.
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All that is the comparison between apple and droid, what % is higher users?

I been surfing with Windows 20 years and only ever caught 1 virus and that was I copied a help folder of a PLC program at work to a floppy and brought it home so I could further my knowledge, forgot it was in machine and rebooted and got 'Stoned Empire Monkey' from a laptop at work? I said never again and it hasn't happened. I've caught a few bugs from PUP software like Ashampoo=yes IOBIT=yes

Point is you think you safe with your Linux for losers and you not. I've shared a few beers with a person who worked for those agencies said they think they incognito but they aren't. If they want in there it can be done. Anything can be done these days.

Someone tried to make a point how all the internet backbone servers are Linux, well tell me how hackers took down 17 of the 19 main ones a few years back?
 
Maxxpsoft said:
Someone tried to make a point how all the internet backbone servers are Linux, well tell me how hackers took down 17 of the 19 main ones a few years back?
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Security through obscurity. If Linux had been the dominate desktop OS on the market it would have suffered plenty of attacks over the years on the desktop. Linux servers get hacked constantly.
 
Maxxpsoft said:
All that is the comparison between apple and droid, what % is higher users?

I been surfing with Windows 20 years and only ever caught 1 virus and that was I copied a help folder of a PLC program at work to a floppy and brought it home so I could further my knowledge, forgot it was in machine and rebooted and got 'Stoned Empire Monkey' from a laptop at work? I said never again and it hasn't happened. I've caught a few bugs from PUP software like Ashampoo=yes IOBIT=yes

Point is you think you safe with your Linux for losers and you not. I've shared a few beers with a person who worked for those agencies said they think they incognito but they aren't. If they want in there it can be done. Anything can be done these days.

Someone tried to make a point how all the internet backbone servers are Linux, well tell me how hackers took down 17 of the 19 main ones a few years back?
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LOL you think you never caught anything when in fact you never found anything. Two different things.

17 backbone servers were not hacked but DDoS:ed if you refer to the Anonymous attacks.

Besides, having a group of black hats target a vital server with a targeted attack is a lightyear away from having a fly-by infection from a random website while surfing with windows lol. Those two can't even begin to be compared and shows your desperation.
 
heatlesssun said:
Security through obscurity. If Linux had been the dominate desktop OS on the market it would have suffered plenty of attacks over the years on the desktop. Linux servers get hacked constantly.
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If cows would have wings they could fly. The fact is that the 'alternative' OSes do not get attacked upon except for the extremely rare example of servers you gave.

For a casual surfer the chance of running into an alternative OS attack on the internet is about the same of winning the lottery. Twice.
 
B00nie said:
For a casual surfer the chance of running into an alternative OS attack on the internet is about the same of winning the lottery. Twice.
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And this is where folks will get into trouble. Many attacks online these days don't target local hardware, they attack sites and services where the local OS is irrelevant. As far as local malware is concerned, the vast bulk of that is due to people doing that are easily mitigated. Is Linux better in this regard, yes due to security through obscurity and sure that works. But a person that's taking no responsibility in what they are doing online and clicking on this and doing that thinking that their OS is going to protect them always is going to get into trouble sooner or later regardless of the local OS.
 
heatlesssun said:
And this is where folks will get into trouble. Many attacks online these days don't target local hardware, they attack sites and services where the local OS is irrelevant. As far as local malware is concerned, the vast bulk of that is due to people doing that are easily mitigated. Is Linux better in this regard, yes due to security through obscurity and sure that works. But a person that's taking no responsibility in what they are doing online and clicking on this and doing that thinking that their OS is going to protect them always is going to get into trouble sooner or later regardless of the local OS.
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If you click 100 infected sites 100 times, are you going to find one attack that wouldn't target windows? I doubt it. By using windows you expose yourself to every possible threat there is basically.
 
B00nie said:
If you click 100 infected sites 100 times, are you going to find one attack that wouldn't target windows? I doubt it. By using windows you expose yourself to every possible threat there is basically.
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I see things like "Upgrade your Flash Player now!" or "Your computer is infected, clean it now!" all of the time and I ignore them. I get that Linux is more secure from security obscurity to these kinds of attacks. But they aren't exactly hard to avoid even by the average person that's told not to install stuff UNLESS they have some trust in what it is they are installing. It's no different than letting a stranger in your house unless you have some trust in who that stranger is.
 
heatlesssun said:
Yeah, watched a lot of Netflix this past weekend using my Surface 3 connected to my TV over HDMI and sound passed through, buttery smooth even for an Atom tablet. No issues with pausing either.

I have seen issues with Netflix with insider builds, not this particular one but crashing and freezing at times. No problems in any device since 10240 though.
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how about with an actual desktop pc? im also running dual monitors, one through the hdmi to my tv and the other through dvi cable to my desktop monitor. i just installed the version that they released free that downloaded by itself, no idea what build it was. While its playing it plays fine, but if i pause it and then hit play again the sound doesnt kick in for a few seconds, very odd. doesnt happen in win 7 on same hardware.
 
heatlesssun said:
I see things like "Upgrade your Flash Player now!" or "Your computer is infected, clean it now!" all of the time and I ignore them. I get that Linux is more secure from security obscurity to these kinds of attacks. But they aren't exactly hard to avoid even by the average person that's told not to install stuff UNLESS they have some trust in what it is they are installing. It's no different than letting a stranger in your house unless you have some trust in who that stranger is.
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I win a free ipad almost every day but for some reason they arent showing up in my mailbox., ha!

Homeboy clearly is never gonna get it, he thinks apple is impervious to any attacks even though i proved him wrong multiple times. He fails to understand that the most commonly used device is always the biggest target so yea theres gonna be more vulnerabilities hackers have found for it. Seems to me like a pretty simple concept to understand, Ive not had a virus or malware infection in years, but im smarter than your average apple user and i dont really click you just won a free ipad links, lol!
 
SultanGris said:
how about with an actual desktop pc? im also running dual monitors, one through the hdmi to my tv and the other through dvi cable to my desktop monitor. i just installed the version that they released free that downloaded by itself, no idea what build it was. While its playing it plays fine, but if i pause it and then hit play again the sound doesnt kick in for a few seconds, very odd. doesnt happen in win 7 on same hardware.
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Hmmm, that's odd. I've had not issues with the new Netflix on my 3x 1080P screens running 3x GTX 680s 2GB with 12 GB RAM, x58 980x. Old hardware but still fine with Windows 10 and video playback in any program or app I've used thus far.
 
SultanGris said:
He fails to understand that the most commonly used device is always the biggest target so yea theres gonna be more vulnerabilities hackers have found for it.
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I think he gets it fine but thinks security by obscurity is nearly bullet proof. To some extent I get that type of thinking but it's not safe if one thinks the OS is going to protect them from everything. If you're online you have to have some awareness of what's going on otherwise you will end up in trouble, no matter the OS.
 
heatlesssun said:
I think he gets it fine but thinks security by obscurity is nearly bullet proof. To some extent I get that type of thinking but it's not safe if one thinks the OS is going to protect them from everything. If you're online you have to have some awareness of what's going on otherwise you will end up in trouble, no matter the OS.
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It's a moving target. If everybody jumps over to another OS for safety they just make it a bigger target.
 
heatlesssun said:
I see things like "Upgrade your Flash Player now!" or "Your computer is infected, clean it now!" all of the time and I ignore them. I get that Linux is more secure from security obscurity to these kinds of attacks. But they aren't exactly hard to avoid even by the average person that's told not to install stuff UNLESS they have some trust in what it is they are installing. It's no different than letting a stranger in your house unless you have some trust in who that stranger is.
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I'm sorry but do you actually think you need to click something to get infected? That's not the case. All it takes is you to open the browser on a page that has embedded flash. Done.
 
heatlesssun said:
I think he gets it fine but thinks security by obscurity is nearly bullet proof. To some extent I get that type of thinking but it's not safe if one thinks the OS is going to protect them from everything. If you're online you have to have some awareness of what's going on otherwise you will end up in trouble, no matter the OS.
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I'm running OSX/Linux as a non-privileged user with scriptblock, adblock and flashblock. I don't install JAVA at all. I don't install any software from unofficial sources. By doing so I'm confident that I have very few risks.

If you don't block flash and java at minimun and run windows, you're running naked.
 
heatlesssun said:
I think he gets it fine but thinks security by obscurity is nearly bullet proof. To some extent I get that type of thinking but it's not safe if one thinks the OS is going to protect them from everything. If you're online you have to have some awareness of what's going on otherwise you will end up in trouble, no matter the OS.
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That's very true. Like installing NoScript in Firefox and knowing how to use it. My g/f flat out refuses to do such geeky stuff though.

Better still, screw Win10 and get Linux Mint, that way at least you know the OS is not rigged with spyware.
 
B00nie said:
Yes as we all know the absolute majority of computer users are total illiterates that have no idea what they're doing.

Nobody can surf the web safely using windows, in any conditions. Antiviruses etc. are a joke, 100% of computers I've found infected have all been running an up to date antivirus lol.

Using windows online is like waving an American passport and your christian cross in the Isis headquarters. You will get attacked and attacked hard.
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and listening to your nonsense makes me want to punch baby kittens....
 
YeuEmMaiMai said:
and listening to your nonsense makes me want to punch baby kittens....
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Yes you're the kind of guy who buys a kevlar vest and prefers to stand as a target on a shooting range. Surely you won't get hit in the face.

Me, I prefer to wear a regular hawaii shirt and sit in the sun where nobody's shooting.
 
B00nie said:
I'm sorry but do you actually think you need to click something to get infected? That's not the case. All it takes is you to open the browser on a page that has embedded flash. Done.
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That's a Flash/browser vulnerability not an OS vulnerability. Chrome doesn't use flash for this reason.
 
atom said:
That's a Flash/browser vulnerability not an OS vulnerability. Chrome doesn't use flash for this reason.
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True, I think the latest finding is that Flash is responsible for 70% of the vulnerabilities prevalent on the WWW. Earlier this year after the Hacking Team exploits I finally called it quits and refuse to install Flash on any system that I lay hands on and will uninstall versions that are not the latest build unless specifically requested by the user and then I will administer other protection tools to minimize chances of drive by or user error breaches.
 
atom said:
That's a Flash/browser vulnerability not an OS vulnerability. Chrome doesn't use flash for this reason.
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Err... what? Chrome very much so does use flash. It maintains it's own version and all so you're almost always up to date. The difference is that Chrome sets flash as click to play as I recall.
 
atom said:
That's a Flash/browser vulnerability not an OS vulnerability. Chrome doesn't use flash for this reason.
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In case you missed the entire conversation the subject was browsing with Windows and even worse, IE -> sans flashblock/scriptblock. Not to mention that things like malformed JPEG headers have been used in the past to crash browsers and execute arbitrary code. It even affected older versions of Windows due to the preview feature.

And it doesn't matter how the attack gets to your machine if it gets there.

Once the attack gets access, it makes all the difference whether the attacker targeted your OS or not ;)
 
Windows controls you you don't control Windows besides the lack of colors for the Edge Browswer been checking the Stardocks Windowsblinds but they are worried about Microsoft changing the OS so the skinning may or may not work. I've been doing fine with Firefox...
 
I keep getting KB3035583 even though I hide it on my machines. STAHP!
 
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