AMD Not providing R9 Nano samples to several sites.

Some of these sites are approaching and surpassing 20 years worth of reviews. I remember reading them as a kid. The idea that any of them would throw away decades' worth of experience over a few biased reviews is just ridiculous, and it's a huge insult that AMD would make public insinuations about their credibility.

Same goes for Nvidia, if that were the case (somebody linked the GTS 250 reviews earlier).

I can't believe AMD is burning these bridges just to give a few extra review samples to some retards on YouTube.
... That being said, I don't give two shits about the Nano regardless of the reviews. lol
 
Some of these sites are approaching and surpassing 20 years worth of reviews. I remember reading them as a kid. The idea that any of them would throw away decades' worth of experience over a few biased reviews is just ridiculous, and it's a huge insult that AMD would make public insinuations about their credibility.

Again, I'd like to hear the details. 20 years experiences is not the same as perfectly unbiased reviews. You can be 20 years loyal to one party too. Age=/=credibility.
 
Again, I'd like to hear the details. 20 years experiences is not the same as perfectly unbiased reviews. You can be 20 years loyal to one party too. Age=/=credibility.

It's not easy to last 20 years being a shill for any one side; less easy than it is to last 20 years because you're respected by users and legit (and that means calling shit out when shit needs calling out - or just calling the shiniest turd in the bucket a turd nonetheless).
 
I don't know about others, but Anandtech is pro-nVidia. When Radeon 7xxx released, Anandtech reviewed the reference card with massively OC'ed 460 upon "request from nVidia".

Really? You make your review decision upon card maker's "request"? If that's not bias, I don't know what is.

Do you have a link?
 
Kind of sad, I was half way considering an AMD card because I have never owned one and would like to see how they performed for myself. After this load of bullshit it would be hard for me to even consider one of their products.
 
Do you have a link?

He meant the 6870 review.
In many ways, I do think nVidia continuing to leave a ton of headroom on their cards makes direct SKU vs SKU comparisons more difficult. I don't view that as a 'bias' either, considering those are achievable overclocks on most cards anyway.

(Later on the GTX 560 non-Ti represented this SKU, but this was almost a year later.)
 
Gets popcorn.

Oh and AMD need to realise that the anti AMD sentiment in the forums is directed toward the few AMD fanatics that spout constant crap that needs debunking.
Not toward AMD themselves.

I would beg to differ on that big time. We've seen plenty of reviewers directly echo comments made in forum within reviews. As I said before there are a couple of things where they have completely valid points.

Also some of the sites listed were known to ban pro-AMD shillers. My thing really on that is all of them should be banned. I should be able to talk to a person in a forum and speak to an actual user vs a marketing person. But if you are going to allow some then you have to allow all. I don't think I've had that problem here but I most definitely have seen it elsewhere.
 
This may not need to be said, but I'd walk a fine line in how you handle this. I can't see this situation ending well by escalating the bullshit. Here's how I see things potentially playing out:

- You write angry editorial directed towards AMD.
- AMD responds by blacklisting you from future products.
- You get mad and begrudge AMD
- [H] turns into an Nvidia focused site as a result

I also don't think binning a Nano build thread was a wise choice, given you're now playing into their narrative.

Yeah there were a few Nano build threads in the AMD forums that are all gone now. One was a [H] member and another was from another person (not sure if they are [H] member or not).
 
This may not need to be said, but I'd walk a fine line in how you handle this. I can't see this situation ending well by escalating the bullshit. Here's how I see things potentially playing out:

- You write angry editorial directed towards AMD.
- AMD responds by blacklisting you from future products.
- You get mad and begrudge AMD
- [H] turns into an Nvidia focused site as a result

I also don't think binning a Nano build thread was a wise choice, given you're now playing into their narrative.

Thanks for your great insight to hardware website politics. Damn shame I have no experience here.

Have you heard from Scott why TR got turned down?

Nope.

Yeah there were a few Nano build threads in the AMD forums that are all gone now. One was a [H] member and another was from another person (not sure if they are [H] member or not).

There was a single AMD SPONSORED NANO build thread. I removed it for the time being. I am supposed to give AMD PR an outlet for its Nano when our site will not make the review cut? See it however you want.
 
That Roy Taylor guy is a disaster for AMD's PR.

AMD is already in a bad shape financially, the last thing they need is making stupid PR moves.
 
There were at least two threads that got removed. One was from Elmy who was doing a build and posting his own images, and another was by someone else and posted a completely separate build. Why are you hurting users of the forums over a dispute with AMD not sending you a card to review?

You need to put the onus on AMD here as AMD said "HardOCP does not fit its "audience profile, focus, methodology, and product value prop," when it comes to its Nano product."

So why would anyone here be interested in the Nano product?

Why would anyone care that the thread was deleted?

Clearly people here are interested in the Nano.

HardOCP is one of the most reliable hardware reviewers I have come across, and I have purchased the majority of my hardware based on forum input and reviews.

You need to go back to AMD and tell them its a bunch of bullshit that they are cherry-picking review sites for their card.
 
There were at least two threads that got removed. One was from Elmy who was doing a build and posting his own images, and another was by someone else and posted a completely separate build. Why are you hurting users of the forums over a dispute with AMD not sending you a card to review?

You are correct, I am wrong.

Here is what got removed.


Custom SFF PC Packs 10 TFlops of Performance featuring AMD Nano.

AMD Nano Project

I got the R9 Nano ...... (Multi-page thread 1 2 3 4 5)

This was moved out of SFF and should not have been. http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1874981 It is back there.

The other two threads that were moved were both threads by Elmy....he is being directly sponsored to build Nano content for our forums here. Since AMD does not think HardOCP and its community are not the place for Nano coverage, I am sure there is not a problem with moving an AMD SPONSORED NANO thread to the trash bin. Quite frankly you could argue that is nothing buy gorilla advertising to begin with...
 
Hand picking reviewers is pretty much bullshit. I do understand why they want to do that, I mean who wants bad press?

I think AMD should give [H] every new card they produce, simply for the fact that in the interview with Richard Huddy during the #AMD30Live video, Kyle said: "My rig's got crossfire in it, R9-290x, I actually upgraded from Titans". :D

https://youtu.be/EzYBOGzUzKI?t=555
 
What a total shitshow and PR disaster. AMD I am disappoint.

I'm still not sure what Roy's problem with TPU is, but it's Roy so whatever. But on that note, which sites haven't been denied samples (yet)? AnandTech? Guru3D? PCPer?! Like I said earlier, I'm going to LMFAO if PCPer gets a sample. That would just be ironic on so many different levels.
 
Hand picking reviewers is pretty much bullshit. I do understand why they want to do that, I mean who wants bad press?

I think AMD should give [H] every new card they produce, simply for the fact that in the interview with Richard Huddy during the #AMD30Live video, Kyle said: "My rig's got crossfire in it, R9-290x, I actually upgraded from Titans". :D

https://youtu.be/EzYBOGzUzKI?t=555

But dude, Kyle is an Nvidia shill who bleeds green; haven't you been paying attention?! :D
 
I agree with Kyle on this one. AMD apparently valued the community enough to show off their product with a sponsored build. But will not provide a sample for an tested/benchmarked review? Wouldn't fly in my book.
 
Hi guys I got the nano, shall I post my build log here?

lol. Good move on removing those threads, he wasn't showing shit anyways and his build design sucked. Those arches really defeated the purpose of a sff build.
 
Hi guys I got the nano, shall I post my build log here?

lol. Good move on removing those threads, he wasn't showing shit anyways and his build design sucked. Those arches really defeated the purpose of a sff build.

Thank you for the motivation to go a look online at his build. :D
 
Well if you got time to waste why not. All he showed was a mothetboard with nano installed and some graphics of his build which looked like shit.

Rest was just people jizzing over nano prior to price info.
 
Well if you got time to waste why not. All he showed was a mothetboard with nano installed and some graphics of his build which looked like shit.

Rest was just people jizzing over nano prior to price info.

One persons waste of time is another persons treasure, or something like that. :D
 
So which other site didn't get a sample?
Also I thought TPU had the most positive review of Fury X that I read.
 
I'm curious what restrictions AMD put on the review sites that did get cards. I'm sure they had to agree to some pretty narrow set of rules. Probably have to test the card on an open bench to avoid heat issues, only a limited number of games that don't hurt AMD and little or no AA/AF since AMD struggles with that. I'm guessing under normal testing conditions they were getting their ass handed to them by a sub $300 970 and wanted to avoid that kind of comparison.
 
Kyle - I have to ask you straight up - are you shocked about not receiving a Nano to review after this quote?



I mean you trashed Roy - which was fair - for what he said on Twitter. But on the other hand, a few of the posts you and Brent made before you even received the card for review made it seem like regardless of performance numbers the card was worthless.

A spade is a spade is a spade. You prefer their review be more like 'sure AMD is fucking you over, but they at least call you the next day to see if your ass is still sore - A+ [H] Editor's Choice 2015'?
 
Kyle - I have to ask you straight up - are you shocked about not receiving a Nano to review after this quote?



I mean you trashed Roy - which was fair - for what he said on Twitter. But on the other hand, a few of the posts you and Brent made before you even received the card for review made it seem like regardless of performance numbers the card was worthless.

As I have put in writing MULTIPLE TIMES, that had nothing to do with it.

Please quote me on EXACTLY what I said that made it seem WORTHLESS? That is not true. It is simply over priced based on what I learned from the paper launch.
 
Your point? If AMD was smart, and thought the card packed some surprises, it would have sent one along anyway, and let the reviews speak for themselves. Whether they like [H]'s comments or not, they can't really accuse the site of being biased when it comes to the actual review data. They just post what they see. This isn't about pre-launch opinion. It's only one of two possibilities. They know their product doesn't live up to anyone's expectations, let alone their PR slides, or they're being petty based on pre-release opinions. If they though they had a winner they'd have plastered them all over the place.

I think it's a cool little piece of engineering personally. I just wouldn't pay that amount for it, when I could get a lot more for the same price elsewhere. Price aside, I actually like it despite it's niche-within-niche placement. Just wouldn't buy unless it was $100 or more less than it is.

Anyway, they really should have sent one anyway.
 
Brent_Justice [H] Video Card Managing Editor

"I don't know who is going to buy this card, someone tell me?"

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1041819494&postcount=8

Brent_Justice [H] Video Card Managing Editor

"I have issue with it being the same price as a video card that is faster out of the box and has the full 275W TDP and overclocking potential. Logically, my brain tells me this doesn't make sense.

I guess you really have to pay a premium for lower power, cool running, quiet video cards these days."

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1041819506&postcount=11


I stand by my previous comments...even those are Brent's words, not mine.

It is simply over priced based on what I learned from the paper launch.
 
Brent_Justice [H] Video Card Managing Editor

"I don't know who is going to buy this card, someone tell me?"

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1041819494&postcount=8

Brent_Justice [H] Video Card Managing Editor

"I have issue with it being the same price as a video card that is faster out of the box and has the full 275W TDP and overclocking potential. Logically, my brain tells me this doesn't make sense.

I guess you really have to pay a premium for lower power, cool running, quiet video cards these days."

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1041819506&postcount=11

You are taking my words out of context.

I stand by the price issue, it should not be as expensive as the Fury X.
 
You are taking my words out of context.

I stand by the price issue, it should not be as expensive as the Fury X.


He just got perma-banned for once again trying to turn an AMD thread into "Why TITAN Sucks in Value" thread. Dude just would not learn.... :\
 
Not sure why some are consistently quoting the same things over and over. Both Kyle and Brent have shown quite a bit of community engagement in both of the main Nano threads, and have gleaned information on the potential of the Nano in SFF scenarios. [H] have always reviewed based on performance and value. The Nano has the potential to offer neither over a card already out - the Fury X. This is a perplexing scenario without considering the SFF niche the card can potentially fall into. They were still prepared to put together a small rig for a comparison vs a 970 ITX to try and simulate it's results.

Perhaps AMD should have put the effort into communicating the specific purpose of the Nano at said conference call, or, pretty much any other opportunity they have had throughout the TWO product announcements they have had for it. That's right, two. This card was all over Computex long before the secondary announcement two weeks ago... and we're still waiting until this week for a proper launch and reviews.

As someone who builds SFF rigs, enjoys the difficulty in it, and sees cards like the Nano as intriguing, I also understand that for such a niche product, if you don't know how to appeal to a broader audience through education, your product is meaningless.
 
I honestly do not understand why people are bitching at you guys about your comments on price?

I mean its fucking obvious its overpriced. If I was going to spend $650 for an AMD ITX video its the Fury X not the Nano....

Nano is way overpriced. It's not like you guys are Bias....its fucking cold [H]ard facts.
 
I honestly do not understand why people are bitching at you guys about your comments on price?

I mean its fucking obvious its overpriced. If I was going to spend $650 for an AMD ITX video its the Fury X not the Nano....

Nano is way overpriced. It's not like you guys are Bias....its fucking cold [H]ard facts.

It's almost like people just want sites to tow the company line and never give their opinions. I just don't get it. Shouldn't all sites actually take time to actually express their thoughts on information given specifically for the purpose of giving people a chance to form opinions and build hype prior to launch?
 
It's almost like people just want sites to tow the company line and never give their opinions. I just don't get it. Shouldn't all sites actually take time to actually express their thoughts on information given specifically for the purpose of giving people a chance to form opinions and build hype prior to launch?

I guess if your opinion isn't in line with what a company wants. You get blackballed.

Apple does it, Nvidia does it, AMD does it....It's just getting out of hand now if you ask me.

It will look real bad for AMD if Kyle/Brent gets a Nano from Sapphire/Msi/Asus to review for launch day....Would be pretty fucking funny to see a launch day review of the Nano.
 
Yea....but you never know maybe they will magically make you win that contest to get the Nano.

Or you can talk with AMD and Elmy to see if he could let you borrow his Nano for a review....since they are so rare! LOL

Elmy actually offered his up to me for doing a review. Hell of a guy.
 
Pssst you forgot Intel.

In that case he wasn't (apparently) embargoed because he was cut out. The best way for a hardware company to stamp out this sort of thing where Kyle posted the review early is by getting them under NDA and sending a review sample. [H] is huge...why blackball them? At least if they were under NDA they wouldn't have published before the rest of the world. :D You think people read that review that might not have otherwise since they posted before everyone else? Darn skippy.
 
What a total shitshow and PR disaster. AMD I am disappoint.

I'm still not sure what Roy's problem with TPU is, but it's Roy so whatever. But on that note, which sites haven't been denied samples (yet)? AnandTech? Guru3D? PCPer?! Like I said earlier, I'm going to LMFAO if PCPer gets a sample. That would just be ironic on so many different levels.

they have one
 
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