AMD Radeon R9 Nano Video Card PAPER Launch @ [H]

I actually believed the article until I saw the sketchy 80s breaking news, news image.

Hopefully the gaming suite changes to really branch out soon, end all this crap, lets get some valve engine games in, bethesda, fallout, crytek, Nitrious yada yada

End the insanity!

Are we going to get W10 used in all benchies soon, it's free and even Battlefront was talking how they would love to make min requirement Windows 10 (with i'm assuming a DX12 card cause W10 doesn't magically make games DX12)
 
Well, good luck getting AMD samples after that. I can hear it now when the Fury X's replacement is due to arrive: "AMD has dissed us again! I can't understand why they keep refusing to send us preview samples! We are the most unbiased and neutral review site on the web!".
 
Creig said:
Well, good luck getting AMD samples after that. I can hear it now when the Fury X's replacement is due to arrive: "AMD has dissed us again! I can't understand why they keep refusing to send us preview samples! We are the most unbiased and neutral review site on the web!".
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If and when a successor to Fury X arrives I wouldn't assume the company will still be called AMD.
 
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Creig said:
Well, good luck getting AMD samples after that. I can hear it now when the Fury X's replacement is due to arrive: "AMD has dissed us again! I can't understand why they keep refusing to send us preview samples! We are the most unbiased and neutral review site on the web!".
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Meh... there are enough AIB partners that like [H] that they will likely get more than a few (MSI, gigabyte etc)
 
Creig said:
Well, good luck getting AMD samples after that. I can hear it now when the Fury X's replacement is due to arrive: "AMD has dissed us again! I can't understand why they keep refusing to send us preview samples! We are the most unbiased and neutral review site on the web!".
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Thanks for that, we need all the luck we can get! :D
 
Hey, I think you guys do work hard and it's great that you actually take the time to respond to your readership like this. I hope your site continues on for many years. I just think you and Brent have sacrificed your neutrality in order to jump on the AMD bashing bandwagon. You make disparaging remarks about AMD, put totally unnecessary comments in reviews and in general just keep poking fun at AMD (as evidenced by your Nito "news" article). It's unprofessional and it's one of the reasons some of your readership (such as myself) are pointing out to you that it gives your site a decided pro-Nvidia/anti-AMD slant. And nobody can truly trust the reviews that come from a site that has a definite tilt to one side or the other.
 
Creig said:
Hey, I think you guys do work hard and it's great that you actually take the time to respond to your readership like this. I hope your site continues on for many years. I just think you and Brent have sacrificed your neutrality in order to jump on the AMD bashing bandwagon. You make disparaging remarks about AMD, put totally unnecessary comments in reviews and in general just keep poking fun at AMD (as evidenced by your Nito "news" article). It's unprofessional and it's one of the reasons some of your readership (such as myself) are pointing out to you that it gives your site a decided pro-Nvidia/anti-AMD slant. And nobody can truly trust the reviews that come from a site that has a definite tilt to one side or the other.
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They point where fingers need to be pointed.
Sometimes its one way, sometimes its another.
Its not their fault people try and see it as bias when it goes against their favourite toy.

I much prefer this site "because" they take a stand on things that matter and actually cause change.
 
Creig said:
Hey, I think you guys do work hard and it's great that you actually take the time to respond to your readership like this. I hope your site continues on for many years. I just think you and Brent have sacrificed your neutrality in order to jump on the AMD bashing bandwagon. You make disparaging remarks about AMD, put totally unnecessary comments in reviews and in general just keep poking fun at AMD (as evidenced by your Nito "news" article). It's unprofessional and it's one of the reasons some of your readership (such as myself) are pointing out to you that it gives your site a decided pro-Nvidia/anti-AMD slant. And nobody can truly trust the reviews that come from a site that has a definite tilt to one side or the other.
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You see bias because of your own. Period.

Explore maturity. It will benefit you in many ways.
 
Creig said:
Hey, I think you guys do work hard and it's great that you actually take the time to respond to your readership like this. I hope your site continues on for many years. I just think you and Brent have sacrificed your neutrality in order to jump on the AMD bashing bandwagon. You make disparaging remarks about AMD, put totally unnecessary comments in reviews and in general just keep poking fun at AMD (as evidenced by your Nito "news" article). It's unprofessional and it's one of the reasons some of your readership (such as myself) are pointing out to you that it gives your site a decided pro-Nvidia/anti-AMD slant. And nobody can truly trust the reviews that come from a site that has a definite tilt to one side or the other.
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Calling turd a turd doesn't make site biased.
It's not amateur marathon where even participating is "victory"
 
Michaelius said:
Calling turd a turd doesn't make site biased.
It's not amateur marathon where even participating is "victory"
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Proof? It appears the only, and more important issue with the Nano is this: Price! Beyond that, I am not sure where the card would be a turd.
 
Michaelius said:
Calling turd a turd doesn't make site biased.
It's not amateur marathon where even participating is "victory"
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People seem to think bias means you have to show all sides equally, as if you were interviewing people on race relations you'd need someone from the NAACP and the KKK to be unbais, not all sides are equally valid. 3 sides to every story, yours, mine and the truth. The truth is what you should try to get at not sides.
 
Commander Suzdal said:
You see bias because of your own. Period.

Explore maturity. It will benefit you in many ways.
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Funny you should say it like that, little ironic to your very post. Point he was making was that the findings/facts were skewed in some demeaning way but the message was slanted heavily conveying an air of bias or agenda. Connotation has grew bearings on how an article is viewed. The FuryX review was terrible in this respect however the 300series after was far better in this regard. Go back and read both, it is an easily founded claim.
 
Semantics said:
People seem to think bias means you have to show all sides equally, as if you were interviewing people on race relations you'd need someone from the NAACP and the KKK to be unbais, not all sides are equally valid. 3 sides to every story, yours, mine and the truth. The truth is what you should try to get at not sides.
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That particular idea seems to be particularly prevalent these days. It's like booking a discussion on architecture and giving equal time to an architect, a janitor and a man who believes that buildings made of concrete are an abomination that mock his god. I sometimes run into it when discussing computer hardware. There are people that swear up and down that AMD's FX series processors are competitive with Intel's newest i-series processors despite every single benchmark showing the opposite. Even when you compare 4 core Intel chips to "8 core" AMD chips in massively multithreaded conditions. Fanboyism is running wild these days. For the last two years AMD has offered better performance per dollar than Nvidia across the board, now that situation has flipped, at least at the top end. That's just an objective fact, held up by benchmarks across the board.
 
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Zion Halcyon said:
Kyle, fake article and the Rick Roll video only serve to cheapen what is normally a great site. [H] should be above the shenanigans that lesser sites indulge in. It's why the site is trusted. I get being pissed at not getting the Nano to review, but come on, you and the site are better than this.
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Lighten up, buddy.
 
Creig said:
Hey, I think you guys do work hard and it's great that you actually take the time to respond to your readership like this. I hope your site continues on for many years. I just think you and Brent have sacrificed your neutrality in order to jump on the AMD bashing bandwagon. You make disparaging remarks about AMD, put totally unnecessary comments in reviews and in general just keep poking fun at AMD (as evidenced by your Nito "news" article). It's unprofessional and it's one of the reasons some of your readership (such as myself) are pointing out to you that it gives your site a decided pro-Nvidia/anti-AMD slant. And nobody can truly trust the reviews that come from a site that has a definite tilt to one side or the other.
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[H]ard has never held back telling us what they think of a product from any company. The Nito was probably a bit much but its what all of us with a brain were thinking. AMD is trying to play us for fools. If they don't like being called out for it that is to bad. If/when AMD releases a card that isn't a joke then I'm sure [H]ard will give it the review that AMD would like. As far as an anti-AMD slant that's hogwash, AMD has always gotten awards for the cards that are deserving here. This gen from AMD is just bad. It may not be AMDs fault that they can't price the cards competitively but that doesn't make them good buys or protect them from criticism. I think AMD is just butt hurt that they can't overprice stuff this gen like they could last gen because of the coin mining. They need to cut prices $50-$100 on all cards and then reduce the nano $100-$150 under the fury x. This would put them back at the top for price/performance. Relying on DX12 to make these cards look good is a waste of time because by the time DX 12 games even get released NVidia will be releasing its next gen. Which will make this gen of AMD cards completely irrelevant. The best thing AMD could do, if they can't reduce the prices, is to limit production so they sell out as much as possible and rush to get next gen out.
 
Kyle and Brent:

You two now have a bandwagon! Techpowerup's front page article http://www.techpowerup.com/215776/amd-radeon-r9-nano-review-by-tpu-not.html is also complaining about the lack of review samples and the Nano's price point. How does it feel to be journalist leaders in the pc part review industry?

I'm still a little surprised that the AMD Fury X waterblock didn't cover the VRMs more and that AMD isn't offering a version that had a block with no pumps, fan or rad, and just the standard, threaded G1/4 ports.

You'd figure with all money being saved on the PCB of the Fury and especially the Nano AMD could invest into other parts of the cards' material build outs.
 
To say dx 12 titles won,t be out till after Nvidia's next Gen card is released shows how much you are in denial. Ark is here, and Fable is do out this fall.
 
Teenyman45 said:
Kyle and Brent:

You two now have a bandwagon! Techpowerup's front page article http://www.techpowerup.com/215776/amd-radeon-r9-nano-review-by-tpu-not.html is also complaining about the lack of review samples and the Nano's price point. How does it feel to be journalist leaders in the pc part review industry?

I'm still a little surprised that the AMD Fury X waterblock didn't cover the VRMs more and that AMD isn't offering a version that had a block with no pumps, fan or rad, and just the standard, threaded G1/4 ports.

You'd figure with all money being saved on the PCB of the Fury and especially the Nano AMD could invest into other parts of the cards' material build outs.
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[H]ardocp already was the journalist leaders in the pc part review industry. Its Why AMD didn't give them the card. AMD knew that a review from the [H]ard can make or break sells and with those specs there was not a happy review coming.
 
dcds1 said:
To say dx 12 titles won,t be out till after Nvidia's next Gen card is released shows how much you are in denial. Ark is here, and Fable is do out this fall.
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Wow 2 games and the 980ti will still be tearing those up also.
 
Teenyman45 said:
Kyle and Brent:

You two now have a bandwagon! Techpowerup's front page article http://www.techpowerup.com/215776/amd-radeon-r9-nano-review-by-tpu-not.html is also complaining about the lack of review samples and the Nano's price point. How does it feel to be journalist leaders in the pc part review industry?
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Well, let's be clear here, I never complained. I simply stated a fact so our readers would know not to expect day 1 coverage from us.

And for the record, TechReport "complained" first. ;)
 
Fable doesn't exactly have a history of being tough on graphics cards.

Fable 1 ran just fine on my lowly 6600 GT at 1024x768 with 2xaa. Same game was maxed-out on 1600x1200 on my 7900GT.

Fable 3 ran comfortably at 720p on Intel HD 4000 graphics. It wasn't much better looking when I ran it on a 750 Ti later that year at 1080p. And that's a game showcasing all the power of the mighty xbox 360 :rolleyes:

This new Fable online only thingy is going to be a cakewalk aimed at integrated graphics users again. It will be just as graphically advanced that Windows Vista-only port of Halo 2 :D

I like Fable, but they're not exactly leaders in the graphics department.
 
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Kyle and Brent:

You two now have a bandwagon! Techpowerup's front page article http://www.techpowerup.com/215776/amd-radeon-r9-nano-review-by-tpu-not.html is also complaining about the lack of review samples and the Nano's price point. How does it feel to be journalist leaders in the pc part review industry?

I'm still a little surprised that the AMD Fury X waterblock didn't cover the VRMs more and that AMD isn't offering a version that had a block with no pumps, fan or rad, and just the standard, threaded G1/4 ports.

You'd figure with all money being saved on the PCB of the Fury and especially the Nano AMD could invest into other parts of the cards' material build outs.
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Fury and Nanos same price suggest that all the cost of the card is in the GPU and that AMD is not making money off them. :wild speculation:
dcds1 said:
To say dx 12 titles won,t be out till after Nvidia's next Gen card is released shows how much you are in denial. Ark is here, and Fable is do out this fall.
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So where are the DX12 Ark benchmarks and Fable Benchmarks?

1 canned dx12 benchmark from a game that no one actually cares about from the developer who hasn't produced a hit game does not make-ith dx12 performance.
 
Creig said:
Hey, I think you guys do work hard and it's great that you actually take the time to respond to your readership like this. I hope your site continues on for many years. I just think you and Brent have sacrificed your neutrality in order to jump on the AMD bashing bandwagon. You make disparaging remarks about AMD, put totally unnecessary comments in reviews and in general just keep poking fun at AMD (as evidenced by your Nito "news" article). It's unprofessional and it's one of the reasons some of your readership (such as myself) are pointing out to you that it gives your site a decided pro-Nvidia/anti-AMD slant. And nobody can truly trust the reviews that come from a site that has a definite tilt to one side or the other.
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We are so anti-AMD we host events centered around AMD products! Or does that make us anti-NVIDIA. I am confused. I have made no disparaging remarks about AMD. Please quote me. If a little humor is unprofessional, then call me unprofessional, I can live with that.

So that all said, which side do we tilt towards today? When I look at the first page of GPU reviews on this page, I see three awards for NVIDIA and two for AMD. Does that make us anti-AMD?

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EzdineG said:
Hey, Kyle. Since you're on about here engaging with the common folk, please respond to this message.

Thanks.

P.S. As a long time reader of this site, I don't believe you guys are biased. Just assholes. <3
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I agree. Kyle is an asshole sometimes, but his only bias is for US, the readers, his peers. He does this for us. In a world full of corporate bullshit and every company trying to steal our hard earned dollars, Kyle, his employees, and many of the readership here are the the ones shoveling the bullshit out of the way and flinging it back at the source.

Quite frankly, I wouldn't have it any other way.

Creig said:
Hey, I think you guys do work hard and it's great that you actually take the time to respond to your readership like this. I hope your site continues on for many years. I just think you and Brent have sacrificed your neutrality in order to jump on the AMD bashing bandwagon. You make disparaging remarks about AMD, put totally unnecessary comments in reviews and in general just keep poking fun at AMD (as evidenced by your Nito "news" article). It's unprofessional and it's one of the reasons some of your readership (such as myself) are pointing out to you that it gives your site a decided pro-Nvidia/anti-AMD slant. And nobody can truly trust the reviews that come from a site that has a definite tilt to one side or the other.
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Holy shit. You have been here 11 years and haven't seen him get on everyone's case? He has called out about everyone in the industry when they fuck up. Intel with the recalls, ATI/Nvidia with benchmark cheating, Phantom's vaporware, Nvidia's multiple fuckups, AMD's various CPU and GPU fuckups, the list goes on. Each and every time he calls out someone, there are legions of people saying exactly what you just said...that he is somehow biased.
 
dcds1 said:
To say dx 12 titles won,t be out till after Nvidia's next Gen card is released shows how much you are in denial. Ark is here, and Fable is do out this fall.
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Not sure where you're getting your info but ARK's DX12 patch is not here, and when it is, it'll be a few trivial DX12 features bolted onto a DX11 game as an afterthought. Fable Legends is a cartoon free-to-play that isn't a real Fable game and will have very limited appeal. Hardly the showcase title DX12 needs.

The reality is that no meaningful, banner DX12 titles will be out until next year at the earliest. The first Frostbite based DX12/Vulkan title(s) will be "end of 2016", and that's according to the engine lead (Johan) that helped develop Mantle and is at the forefront of these new low level API's.
 
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I love you guys. More manly than Linus, and great guys in person... assholes definitely, but as an asshole myself I can appreciate that.
 
Ark doesn't even have DX12. I have no idea why people keep saying that. The patch for it was delayed, and apparently it wasn't the first time that has happened.
 
digital_buzzard said:
During my entire life on line, I was proud to say that I've never been Rick-Rolled.

Thanks alot.
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I too have never been Rick Rolled. I'm not sure if my life is a little more complete or if that feeling was actually a tiny part of me dying inside.

I do know that I am enraged that a respected tech site posted a well timed joke and plan to go on a tirade in their forums personally attacking the editors of the site :mad:

(btw well played sirs, well played)
 
My god people are still bitching about this? Jesus.....I mean is the world that fucking bad that people stoop this low about video cards?

LOL Crazy shit. Either way people, Kyle and Brent will take care of us on this benchmark. If I know Kyle he already has another avenue to get a card. Pay it out of Pocket.

And that is why [H] is what it is...They don't fuck around
 
I don't have a dog in this hunt, my "GPU identity" is fluid, and I know without a shadow of a doubt that there's no bias at [H]ardOCP.

But (and this is the big but), your latest front page news comes across like a CultofMac article about Windows or Android.

I understand why you did it, and I got a chuckle out of it, but perception is everything, and this has been and will continue to be received by many as an attack on AMD, and a de-facto siding with Team Green, even though that's not the case.

We live in a short attention span, "what have you done lately" world, and, well, look at what you did lately. The butthurt was to be expected. :)
 
Croak said:
We live in a short attention span, "what have you done lately" world
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Which is why in five minutes from now the goldfish attention spans won't care about [H] having poked a little fun.
 
So 3 major review sites have been denied by AMD (along with TR & TPU), wondering who will be next?
 
What a load of horseshit in this thread.

HardOCP is NOT biased, and never has been. I have been a HardOCP reader since, God what, the late 90's?

I was around for HardOCP's positivity on the first Slot 1 P2's. Due to their recommendation, I built one. After that came [H]'s glowing words about the Celeron 300A ... and I built one. I read about the amazing Intel 440BX chipset on here, and guess what I bought? Hell, I paid $650 for a P3-650, submitted a screenshot of it OC'd to a whooping 131mhz FSB way back in the day, and made the front-page news.

But guess what? AMD produced the Thunderbird Athlon, a wonderful little piece of silicon that put Intel in its place for a while. The words about that Thunderbird were glowing on here, and I bought 1... then another 1.... and another, and another 1.... until I got one with a purple core. Why? Because [H] said those had better overclocking potential than ones with a green core.

I read about 3dfx's early ventures on here. I read about the amazing-ness of nVidia's first-ever offerings on here, and I read about ATi's good stuff on here too. I bought a Radeon HD 2900XT (i think it was) because of words written on here, I avoided the GeForce FX 5800 (is that right?) because I read it underperformed and sounded like a dustbuster.... on here. I bought an nVidia 9800GT, a Radeon HD 5870, a Radeon 7970, and most recently a mini GTX 970 for my NCASE M1 that I read about, you guessed it, on HardOCP.

So please, shove your "HardOCP is biased" crap right back up your ass where it came from. HardOCP is anything but "biased", fuck.
 
Brent_Justice said:
I remember how "biased" we were during the launch and reign of the AMD Radeon HD 7970 and 7000 series, especially against Fermi, which the 7970 was released alongside. AMD had a performance and efficiency advantage, and more VRAM and a new technology the competition did not have, Eyefinity, and we sang praises of its achievements. We were called, very harshly, AMD biased, and shills.

This is just another wave on the roller coaster of video card evaluations.
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I've never had an issue with the way you guys do reviews. I like it. I'm not happy with your stance that somehow it's AMD's fault that Gameworks runs the ass and I don't like how you came to the conclusion about Nano even before you reviewed it. This doesn't mean I'm calling you out or think your site sucks.

As far as bias goes... There is not a human on the planet that has no bias. The more passionate they are the stronger their biases will be. That's human nature. We are more likely to overlook shortcomings in something that we have a genuine fondness for. This too is human nature. We are thinking creatures though and it's important that we recognize our prejudices and bias so as not to let it rule us. Anyone who says they are not bias is either a liar or a fool.

Do you not know someone at AMD well enough to discuss the situation with? Can you find out if there is something on your end, either perceived or real, that caused this and if something can be done about it? Seems to me that there is something going on because you are one of the biggest sites and it wouldn't be lack of readership that deemed you unworthy.

Seems like a better route than simply discussing it with the minions on the internet.
 
jerrytsao said:
So 3 major review sites have been denied by AMD (along with TR & TPU), wondering who will be next?
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I hadn't even realized it until you mentioned this.
The timing and mishandling of this by AMD is just so...well AMD.

They have a growing and building narrative based on the AoTS/DX12 discussion - and they stem that tide by mishandling the R9 Nano launch. *Shaking my head* AMD just can't get out of their own way.
 
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Ark doesn't even have DX12. I have no idea why people keep saying that. The patch for it was delayed, and apparently it wasn't the first time that has happened.
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They are trying to latch onto anything these days. Relying on alpha bench and a game that is no better than any beta I have experienced as the authority on Maxwell 2 dx12 performance.
 
KickAssCop said:
They are trying to latch onto anything these days. Relying on alpha bench and a game that is no better than any beta I have experienced as the authority on Maxwell 2 dx12 performance.
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A game being in alpha, doesn't mean it's engine is not up to snuff already, the core of the game(engine), has to be fairly stable at that point so that they can test the actual game part, and not just the engine.
 
jamesgalb said:
To be fair... I found HardOCPs coverage of the 300 series launch to be HORRIBLE and centered around the negative focuses.

Barely a single mention of price for performance vs NVidia (especially the 200 series price drops, much different from the 700 series of NVidia)..

Barely a single mention of how the 8GB would be solid for crossfire on Hawaii...

Tons of mention of rebrands, leaving out that the 285/380 and Fiji make 2 out of 3 of their top cards newer than nVidias Maxwell... Not "Hawaii still holds up with time", but "AMD is trying to take advantage of us".

Literally changing setting for 390x vs 290x for lower 290x settings, and then using the data as a way to draw comparison as to how the new card shows little to no improvements...

Do I think HardOCP was shilling? No... Do I think that review was determined to be negative before it even began (and therefor biased and horrible), because of 'feelings on rebrands'. Yes.

If I were AMD, I would let you cool off too. People will look elsewhere for their reviews if you don't have them, and since you were seemingly upset about AMDs 'rebrands', I too would have sent perspective readers/buys to other sources to get their reviews. Atleast for the rest of this round.

Sorry if this seems rude, just my 2 cents.
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I don't think you've read any of our 300 series reviews, because our conclusions do not mesh with your analysis.
 
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