AMD Radeon R9 Nano Video Card PAPER Launch @ [H]

I really don't get trying to build high-performance SFF computers for high-end gaming anyway. If your main objective is to enjoy high-end gaming on your big TV, why mess with all the heat/space/power constraints? Is a decent computer case too hideous to behold in the living room? C'mon!

If it matters that much to you, put a thin, gauzy tablecloth over it and set a vase/clock/porcelain statue on top. Voila! No "ugly" computer, just a pedestal for your art!
Computers are my hobby, I wanted to try building a decently powered mITX PC and I had disposable income at the time to do so.

For games that truly require more processing power I can stream them from my main PC in the office to the living room.
 
Lisa Su needs to be out on her ass TODAY. She is ultimately responsible for approving this disastrous pricing on this disastrous product.

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Thats sound like it is correct, and for thoose who want a standard pc, the nano , if its price is 649$ , its crap, i will however buy it on a diffrent metric, sound and size, the size is right, the performase should be there, especially in CF, for a powerful small and silent living room GHTPC, but well i do hope the http://www.ultra-hdtv.net/club-3d-displayport-hdmi-2-0-adapter-mit-4k60hz-in-arbeit/, is the solution, but for the metrics that [H] test for , it will be crap, as Kyle said, we who wants this is a niche, and a small one for the time beeing, but luckely big enough for AMD, to care :)

Edit: but if it is nosiy, then its a fail.

The HDMI 2.0 adapters have been forever in the making and not one has emerged.
They are sure to be expensive, its not a good idea to bank on getting one for those 2 reasons.
If your case is too small for a normal size card, get a slightly bigger one, it will save you a packet and you can have HDMI 2.0 now.

Well im also a potential buyer, and as you, it will be in the living room, under the tv, so it does need a solution that fit the tv, so hope the adapter will be good, and the next callange will be to find a case that is not so deep, whats the use for a flatscreentv, if the case is to deep. And well if it is wishper quiet, and the active adapter is good, im buying. I love a challinge build.

Same issue, relying on an adapter that doesnt exist and will cost.
Pull your TV forward a few inches and get a bigger PC case that can take a larger card.
 
Lisa Su needs to be out on her ass TODAY. She is ultimately responsible for approving this disastrous pricing on this disastrous product.

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The price is almost certainly reflective of the supply of these chips and their costs. The die is huge, the package is huge, they are both manufactured separately, HBM is more costly vs GDDR5 right now. Whether or not the price is justified is irrelevant if they still sell 100% of the cards they can produce.
 
I can only hope for AMD's sake, that DX12 does wonders for their existing cards, which would allow them to have firmer grounding in their prices.


Not sure why people continually bring up this "hopefully DX12 will save AMD" silliness, but it'll be years before DX12 hits a stride, and Nvidia cards will reap those benefits too. I'm not sure AMD has that long anyway.
 
Lisa Su needs to be out on her ass TODAY. She is ultimately responsible for approving this disastrous pricing on this disastrous product.

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I'm not sure if that's fair. It took years for amd to get like this, it will take them years to get out of this. Also, if they are producing such a small number of card and they are selling out, why lower the price? Supply and demand.
 
Computers are my hobby, I wanted to try building a decently powered mITX PC and I had disposable income at the time to do so.

For games that truly require more processing power I can stream them from my main PC in the office to the living room.

Sorry, Rizen, I started typing before your post, wasn't aimed at you--bad timing!

Can wireless keyboard mouse reach far enough to stream to TV from another room while gaming on the couch? That could be pretty cool...
 
The harder part is finding good SFF power supplies.

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This, is so want a 600-800w external power supply with a bracket to mount inside the case for the cabeling. But finding one over 300w is darn near impossibel.
 
The price is almost certainly reflective of the supply of these chips and their costs. The die is huge, the package is huge, they are both manufactured separately, HBM is more costly vs GDDR5 right now. Whether or not the price is justified is irrelevant if they still sell 100% of the cards they can produce.

Thats an AMD problem. Not a consumer problem. Consumers dont care how the sausage is made.
 
The price is almost certainly reflective of the supply of these chips and their costs. The die is huge, the package is huge, they are both manufactured separately, HBM is more costly vs GDDR5 right now. Whether or not the price is justified is irrelevant if they still sell 100% of the cards they can produce.

If you can't sell a Yugo for < $50,000 then maybe you should NOT make Yugo's in the first place.

Question: How do you make a small fortune?

Answer: Invest a big fortune in AMD.

A lot of this is not Lisa Su's fault. A lot of these products were well in the pipe BEFORE she was appointed CEO. But as president she shouldn't have released these products at the price point given the competition. A product refresh would have been more appropriate till HBM 2 and HDMI 2.0 were available (as well as a matching performance/$)

I HATE, even LOATHE NVIDIA's marketing practices. I will not buy them. But if this is the best AMD has to offer, I'm not buying squat. And if I was FORCED to pick (to build a new system for somebody) it would be NVIDIA.
 
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Thats an AMD problem. Not a consumer problem. Consumers dont care how the sausage is made.

If you can't sell a Yugo for < $50,000 then maybe you should NOT make Yugo's in the first place.

Question: How do you make a small fortune?

Answer: Invest a big fortune in AMD.
I agree with you guys, I'm just saying putting the blame at Lisa Su's feet is misplaced.
 
Sorry, Rizen, I started typing before your post, wasn't aimed at you--bad timing!

Can wireless keyboard mouse reach far enough to stream to TV from another room while gaming on the couch? That could be pretty cool...
No problem. I could MAYBE get a very strong Bluetooth keyboard/mouse to connect to my office PC from my living room - my phone headset can do it, but it breaks up sometimes. My Wii U streaming games to the controller loses signal just a few feet short of the office. It ultimately depends on the signal strength. Normally you can just plug a controller into the HTPC and it will send the signal back to the main PC that's doing the processing. That obviously adds input lag but YMMV as to how noticeable it is.
 
The HDMI 2.0 adapters have been forever in the making and not one has emerged.
They are sure to be expensive, its not a good idea to bank on getting one for those 2 reasons.
If your case is too small for a normal size card, get a slightly bigger one, it will save you a packet and you can have HDMI 2.0 now.



Same issue, relying on an adapter that doesnt exist and will cost.
Pull your TV forward a few inches and get a bigger PC case that can take a larger card.

Hehe, i know this is not the right forum to talk abaut the nano, becouse for the performeces enthousiast, the nano is a peace of crap, and well thats true, but myself im excited for the nano, the possebillites for a great small powerful build is there, and well for us that like that the nano with it false is close to what we want. Well at least me, if it really is silent, building a small silent powerhouse of an GHTPC is the most difficult thing today, nano maybe just made it a bit easier, but the nano alone is not enough , the psu issuie is still there :(
 
I agree with you guys, I'm just saying putting the blame at Lisa Su's feet is misplaced.

Yes and no. This is Rory Reed's legacy, but Lisa Su has been in cahoots with him the entire way, and don't think any different. It was heavily backchannled that Rory had no intents of keeping GPU on when he got on board, and I think that him (at least publicy) finally showing support for GPU so late on impacted AMD and is one of the reasons it is where it is today.
 
Hehe, i know this is not the right forum to talk abaut the nano, becouse for the performeces enthousiast, the nano is a peace of crap, and well thats true, but myself im excited for the nano, the possebillites for a great small powerful build is there, and well for us that like that the nano with it false is close to what we want. Well at least me, if it really is silent, building a small silent powerhouse of an GHTPC is the most difficult thing today, nano maybe just made it a bit easier, but the nano alone is not enough , the psu issuie is still there :(

No doubt that this card will appeal to an extremely small segment of the enthusiast community. Nano has its place. But once again AMD has faltered when it comes to pricing the product.
 
Ofcourse Kyle, im not happy with the priceing, but thats not such a big concern, its like the peformace enthosuiast dosnt mind and thinks its okey to pay extra for the fastest card out there, only we pay extra for the smallest fastest card, but unlike the performece entusiast we also requier it to be silent. Silent oftens meens low TDP, low TDP often result in low performace and so on, so yes its a small niche the nano at is price is aimed at, i recon that the price reflects the availibility, couse if fury x is in short supply, u can rest asure that the same goes for nano if it dosnt comes i big numbers.

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Lots of typos, not only couse norweagian is my first language, but i am browsing round , looking for parts for a nano build, and yes i am excited abaut the card, but i realise it has to be cf :), and well deping how long the x2 is, time will show, i just love the turns of events that is going on when it comes to size :)
 
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What rumor and where?

You mean the rumor you're trying to start by pulling it out of thin air, or the one started by NVidia fanboys trying to suppress anything remotely good coming from AMD camp nowadays?

And as for the main topic, I'm actually interested in a couple of these if it is in fact 10% slower than Fury X while remaining much cooler and more power efficient. While the AIO solution of Fury X is great, heat is heat and power draw is power draw. Some enthusiasts out there are looking for a quiet and efficient solution that gets the job done at the same time.

I don't know about a rumor, but AMD is touting this at "30% faster than the 290x". The GTX970 is about that much faster in some games, so the correlation is easy to make. The Nano would have made more sense if it was just an R9-Fury-X with air-cooling like the Vanilla-Fury(giant heatsink bigger than the card) and sold for $550, with the Vanilla-Fury going down to $450. That would be a one-two punch to nVidia. The Air-Cooled Fury-X would perform close enough to the 980-Ti to justify the loss in performance for the $100+/- saved,much like how the 4870 performed like the GTX260(and even gave the GTX280 a run in some games), but retailed for $150 less, and the Vanilla Fury at $450 would have made a mockery of the GTX980.

The whole Fury-Lineup could have been a Radeon 4870-class success, and instead we got a Radeon 2900XT-level failure. All AMD had to do is look at their history and see where they succeeded.

Who is running AMD and drilling it into the ground? Did they just look at their history and go "Hey, we can repeat the Radeon 4870, price it competitively, and grow mindshare which leads to marketshare marketshare growth, or repeat the 2900XT, and price-match our competitors much faster and cooler running card, and ultimately disappoint the audience and continue to lose marketshare." Whoever thought going the 2900XT route with the Fury-X has to get replaced. Preferably by someone posting on this board, as from what I read so far, most of us have vastly better business sense than any of the executives at AMD.
 
I was holding off buying a gtx 970, because i figured the nano being 66% of the watts of the fury, would be priced around $350 and be the same speed (since they are the same wattage) of the 970.

Then this happens. It is 20% faster at 1080p and 30% faster at 4k, than the 970, but cost 2x the price...

Gee if you look at the steam hardware survey, the gtx 970 accounts for almost the same share as all 2XX and 3XX cards combined...
 
IF it had HDMI 2.0 they would have a small market.
atm, they dont have one.
 
I'm not sure if that's fair. It took years for amd to get like this, it will take them years to get out of this. Also, if they are producing such a small number of card and they are selling out, why lower the price? Supply and demand.

GDDR5 was costly during the Radeon 5870 launch, and AMD destroyed nVidia in Price/Performance. That is an excuse, not a reason. This woman has to go, she appears to be instrumental in the destruction of AMD.
 
AMD went from more power efficient and cheaper, to way more power consumption and just as expensive if not more expensive. All while not improving performance over Nvidia by any real margin or worse. No bueno.
 
IF it had HDMI 2.0 they would have a small market.
atm, they dont have one.

True, but well i have faith in this http://www.ultra-hdtv.net/club-3d-displayport-hdmi-2-0-adapter-mit-4k60hz-in-arbeit/
, i know it will be reviewd sone, saw some tweets with pics from a hw site, dont rember where, been reading all i could find abaut the nano, wich meens thousends of pages.

Its an SFF entusisast card, probally becouse the lack of production, but i like it, if it is silent that is.
 
AMD went from more power efficient and cheaper, to way more power consumption and just as expensive if not more expensive. All while not improving performance over Nvidia by any real margin or worse. No bueno.

It looks like Fiji is a power efficient gpu. Amd tried to clock it so high (furry x) to make it faster than a 980ti and the power draw went through the roof. They hit the point of deminshing returns and just kept going.
 
It looks like Fiji is a power efficient gpu. Amd tried to clock it so high (furry x) to make it faster than a 980ti and the power draw went through the roof. They hit the point of deminshing returns and just kept going.

Compared to the 9xx series it's not. The performance/watt just isn't there. It might have been power efficient if it were clocked lower, but then it would be a mid range card.
 
I really don't get trying to build high-performance SFF computers for high-end gaming anyway. If your main objective is to enjoy high-end gaming on your big TV, why mess with all the heat/space/power constraints? Is a decent computer case too hideous to behold in the living room? C'mon!

If it matters that much to you, put a thin, gauzy tablecloth over it and set a vase/clock/porcelain statue on top. Voila! No "ugly" computer, just a pedestal for your art!

Well peoples are diffrent, and as long as u dont have the urge to build sff , u want understand, i had it since the disaponting days of via mini itx was relised, it was not powerful enough to game on, but it sure raised some eybrowns when it came to the size of the computer, this was however before laptop took over, and well should a SFF built today be impressing, it has to beat the fastest gaming laptop there is, and be silent and stylish, og well evryone has hes poisen, SFF happens to be mine , guess thats why im excited :)
 
True, but well i have faith in this http://www.ultra-hdtv.net/club-3d-displayport-hdmi-2-0-adapter-mit-4k60hz-in-arbeit/
, i know it will be reviewd sone, saw some tweets with pics from a hw site, dont rember where, been reading all i could find abaut the nano, wich meens thousends of pages.

Its an SFF entusisast card, probally becouse the lack of production, but i like it, if it is silent that is.

So you're going to take a $649 card and pay another $50 to $100 to it for HDMI 2.0? :confused:

Money may not mean a lot to you but for exactly what are you wanting to get into this alternate reality you're postulating? The Nano was looking to be the card to go into my wife's and my twin systems but not at this price point. It's either pick one of the 2x/3x series or the 970 or maybe a really good deal on a 980 now (and with no pricing pressure from AMD that is now extremely unlikely). The Nano just priced itself out of my budget.
 
Compared to the 9xx series it's not. The performance/watt just isn't there. It might have been power efficient if it were clocked lower, but then it would be a mid range card.

The tdp of the 980 is 165w, 10w less than the nano. Performance looks like it will be about the same as a 980. So if the 980 is efficient, than I would say the Fiji is efficient. I think the 980ti made amd reach for the stars with Fiji, and caused an epic fail.
 
At over $150 more, it is extremely expensive and you still use 10w more. So even if it is to be considered power efficient, it's still way out there with price.
 
So you're going to take a $649 card and pay another $50 to $100 to it for HDMI 2.0? :confused:

Money may not mean a lot to you but for exactly what are you wanting to get into this alternate reality you're postulating? The Nano was looking to be the card to go into my wife's and my twin systems but not at this price point. It's either pick one of the 2x/3x series or the 970 or maybe a really good deal on a 980 now (and with no pricing pressure from AMD that is now extremely unlikely). The Nano just priced itself out of my budget.

Not to mention that it will probably add latency.
 
This looked really interesting, then I saw the price. I've toyed with the idea of making a mini ITX system, but no way in hell at that price.
 
Anyone blaming Lisa Su needs to be putting the blame on Richard Huddy. The products are not bad but the marketing and the price couldn't be any worse right now. The bad marketing of the past is better than the current marketing right now. They would be better off with no marketing team at all at this point.
 
So you're going to take a $649 card and pay another $50 to $100 to it for HDMI 2.0? :confused:

Money may not mean a lot to you but for exactly what are you wanting to get into this alternate reality you're postulating? The Nano was looking to be the card to go into my wife's and my twin systems but not at this price point. It's either pick one of the 2x/3x series or the 970 or maybe a really good deal on a 980 now (and with no pricing pressure from AMD that is now extremely unlikely). The Nano just priced itself out of my budget.

Im kinda sad for the price, and i do understand the dissapontment, i actuly smiled reading the thousends of posts wishing that the nano would be cheap, becouse if the rumors that was it was a full fijii ship, i guessed it in between the fury x and non fury, but well i was wrong. But as long as u dont need SFF, u have a shitload of cards to choose from, we who love SFF and special builds, what do we have, nv 970 has been our highest option, so Nano is godsent, and well i do hope NV answers with an SFF 980. They have the edge with price and hdmi 2.0 if they do so.

But we who loves SFF is no diffrent from thoose who pay premium for the Titan, just a fact.

Edit : and 100us$ is not so much now adays, when i started building pcs, a 286m 8 mhz, 1 mb ram, 12 inch black and white crt, 40mb HDD costet round 4000 us$, my first amiga 500 costed round 2300 us$. and 100us$ does today not buy me more than 8 -10 beers out on a pub, so no fuz abaut that.
 
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At over $150 more, it is extremely expensive and you still use 10w more. So even if it is to be considered power efficient, it's still way out there with price.

I can't argue that. Pricing on all the Fiji gpus are $100 more than they should be.
 
I've been sensing a lot of hostility between [H] and AMD lately, are you guys in some sort of feud? :confused:
 
Well, it is at is it supposed to be, nano is crap, and thats a fact as long as you review it for the performence entusiast, in SFF however , we compare it to the NV970, wich is the fastest SFF card as for now.

So its understanbel that [H] will diss this card, its not a good card performens wise, but hopfully its a dam good card for us that want to build a small, silent GHTPC, it has 1 unanswered question to tick, and thats noise, wich is extreally importent to some, including me.

Edit: Evryone here already know what the conclusion [H] will give it, and well its the correct conclusion for what they will review it as, but that dosnt matter for SFF builders, its one more choice , hopfully lot faster than our best option as of today , wich is NV970.
 
Well peoples are diffrent, and as long as u dont have the urge to build sff , u want understand, i had it since the disaponting days of via mini itx was relised, it was not powerful enough to game on, but it sure raised some eybrowns when it came to the size of the computer, this was however before laptop took over, and well should a SFF built today be impressing, it has to beat the fastest gaming laptop there is, and be silent and stylish, og well evryone has hes poisen, SFF happens to be mine , guess thats why im excited :)

I remember those little VIAs, didn't they have their own x86-compatible CPU design built in?
 
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