R9 290X goes toe-to-toe with GTX 980 Ti on DirectX 12

KGBinUSA said:
I think the MAIN issue is that Nvidia and their "fanboys" have constantly shamed AMD for their drivers.
Now that the tables have turned and Nvidia has been caught with their pants down, they just get a pass. As illustrated by this comment.


If this was AMD, the Nvidia "fanboys" would be all over this. This particular thread would be over 10 pages long with Nvidia "fanboys" saying "Told you so".
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Thank you for putting into perspective exactly what I was thinking. I do not enjoy the fact that those with Nvidia hardware on Windows 10 are having major issues at this time. Yes, I enjoy the fact that my AMD branded card is not having issues except for one but, that does not mean I want someone who spent their hard earned money on an NVidia card to have problems.

My only issue I have had is once in a great while, the computer will boot without the proper resolution being reported. A reboot will take care of that but, it is still a strange issue to have. (Display port on a XFX Reference R9 290 to Samsung 28 inch 4k monitor.) Could be a driver issue, an OS bug or just a problem my card is starting to have. I did not have the problem until the last week or so.
 
This driver issue would be the reverse in SteamOS for this title where nvidia have a great driver set for Linux.
Next dx12 driver from nvidia should bring more to the table
 
griff30 said:
This driver issue would be the reverse in SteamOS for this title where nvidia have a great driver set for Linux.
Next dx12 driver from nvidia should bring more to the table
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For them, the difference between their DX 11 and DX 12 drivers may be minimal at best. I see the results as Nvidia being able to do really well in DX 11 so much so that DX 12 will not have as much for them going forward. (Could be wrong but that is the way I see it. Oh, and middle ware software does not get used in this case.)
 
Stryke1983 said:
There's a bit of a difference here in that this is one solitary example from a game that's still in the alpha stage. Rather than one of multiple examples of AAA titles that are already on the market which has been the reason for AMD's bad reputation in the last few years. The safe assumption is that Nvidia's performance will have improved by the time the game actually gets released and DX12 actually starts to become more widespread.

So its good to see AMD doing a good job in this example. However I think most of us are going to reserve full judgement until we start seeing real world performance.
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My comment did not even mention gaming performance, it specifically mentioned driver issues. And you obviously did not read x3sphere's comment about his issues just within Windows 10 and not even while gaming.
 
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YeuEmMaiMai said:
^ Win 10 is nothing more than a tweaked Win 8.1
In some ways yes.

NVidia has a long storied history of not having their drivers ready for new iterations of Windows...
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This.one of the main reasons i'm waiting until January or so before putting 10 on my desktop. amd users should be good though.
 
Geforcepat said:
This.one of the main reasons i'm waiting until January or so before putting 10 on my desktop. amd users should be good though.
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Although I did not know it would work out that way, I have one more reason I am glad to own a R9 290. Hope Nvidia works it out for you guys soon although, we should not have to hope for something that should have been taken care of in the first place.
 
I didn't know Nvidia users was having issues with windows 10 as someone was asking me how I liked it and I said it runs fine on both of computers Xeon/290x and FX 6300/280 as both are running 10.. the person I told this to has a 460gtx so I guess he will not be asking for advice anymore lol..
 
Stop saying that nvidia drivers will improve or boost dx12 fps like AMD gpus because isn't going to happen. The problem arent the drivers is the architecture it selft.
 
StormClaw said:
This is what is really hilarious to me. Whenever wee the frequent benchmarks showing Nvidia cards outperforming amd counterparts, it's always "b-but <something>", but then we see exactly ONE benchmark of and AMD sponsored game in alpha stage and because AMD is outperforming Nvidia then it's an established fact for the whole future and amd fanboys going full into "LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALA". Not like we've been through this exact same thing before a thousand times already. No, seriously, just how many of these wishful thinking parades from AMD that always ends in major disappointment and damage control we've been through already, ranging from their attempts at fixing their cpu fuckups to their rebrands? Speaking of cpus, we've been hearing from amd fanboys that dx12 would definitely make the FX line outstanding and this very same test posted here completely destroyed this notion.

Haven't you guys simply had enough flack already? I think there's been plenty of time to have learned to shut your mouth until the thing actually exists in a consumer tangible form, because I'm pretty sure you must be tired of biting your own tongue this much already, right? You guys cling so blindly to the one glimmer of hope you find and you always get burned in the end. Stop this mad post purchase rationalization, jesus.
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I don't think anyone was expecting DX12 to make a 3 year old CPU line outstanding. However, It's more than serviceable for the vast majority of gaming situations, at least for my purposes. Going forward it looks like an OC'd FX-6300 will be more than adequate for most DX12 games as well. Not bad for a $100 CPU.

If there's any truth behind these benchmark results, there is going to be a ton of life left in the R9 290/X, which can be had for $240 or less.

I think there is some defensiveness on the part of buyers of certain brands, when they see buyers of other brands getting more than adequate performance at a fraction of the cost, which leads to a hostile/elitist attitude towards users of a certain GPU/CPU manufacturer.
 
Geforcepat said:
This.one of the main reasons i'm waiting until January or so before putting 10 on my desktop. amd users should be good though.
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I am going to hold off with either brand until there's a significant gain moving to Win 10.

I just bought a 970/4690k for my relative's mini ITX PC... couldn't justify a new mobo to throw AMD a bone and AMD's pricing is a bit whacked right now, but what it came down to for me is I wanted quiet blower.
 
290x has the same single precision power as a 980ti.

I might not be able to stop laghing if this gets even worse with other dx12 games and the 290x is the 980ti's competition. That would be an extreme case of AMD outlasting nvidia. 290x > 780 ti, trading 980, now trading 980ti.

LMAO
 
semitope said:
290x has the same single precision power as a 980ti.

I might not be able to stop laghing if this gets even worse with other dx12 games and the 290x is the 980ti's competition. That would be an extreme case of AMD outlasting nvidia. 290x > 780 ti, trading 980, now trading 980ti.

LMAO
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Just imagine the price cuts!
 
The problem I see with this is that we are comparing current hardware to future/theoretical games that may or may not use DX12. By the time DX12 support is mainstream, the hardware situation will likely be entirely different. I didn't buy a 980ti to play future games, I bought it to be able to play all the existing awesome games in my backlog in the past 3+ years..
 
Blind Man said:
The problem I see with this is that we are comparing current hardware to future/theoretical games that may or may not use DX12. By the time DX12 support is mainstream, the hardware situation will likely be entirely different. I didn't buy a 980ti to play future games, I bought it to be able to play all the existing awesome games in my backlog in the past 3+ years..
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Try Mantle games; they are full released games already and previews the games to come in DX12 & Vulkan. It's no longer theoretical, it's been practical for a good while now. Buying a 980ti to play 3+ year old games is a reason though. ;)
 
Blind Man said:
The problem I see with this is that we are comparing current hardware to future/theoretical games that may or may not use DX12. By the time DX12 support is mainstream, the hardware situation will likely be entirely different. I didn't buy a 980ti to play future games, I bought it to be able to play all the existing awesome games in my backlog in the past 3+ years..
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Try telling that to the Fury (X) naysayers who keep insisting that 4GB of HBM will be a severe problem in the future, because nobody buys a $650 card just to play 3 year old titles lol

But FWIW I understand your position because I'm kind of the same. Ever since PC gaming took a dump, I now only buy games when they're 50% off, because poorly optimized console ports are not worth a penny over $30 (and even then it's still too much). The only exception to this is games made by Volition. Every single title they've made so far has been completely vendor agnostic, and presented no serious optimization issues on launch day.
 
n=1 said:
The only exception to this is games made by Volition. Every single title they've made so far has been completely vendor agnostic, and presented no serious optimization issues on launch day.
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Saints Row 2
 
ManofGod said:
Thank you for putting into perspective exactly what I was thinking. I do not enjoy the fact that those with Nvidia hardware on Windows 10 are having major issues at this time. Yes, I enjoy the fact that my AMD branded card is not having issues except for one but, that does not mean I want someone who spent their hard earned money on an NVidia card to have problems.

My only issue I have had is once in a great while, the computer will boot without the proper resolution being reported. A reboot will take care of that but, it is still a strange issue to have. (Display port on a XFX Reference R9 290 to Samsung 28 inch 4k monitor.) Could be a driver issue, an OS bug or just a problem my card is starting to have. I did not have the problem until the last week or so.
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displayport link failure ???

try a new displayport cable, worked for one of my systems
cable that came with the screen was crap
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
Saints Row 2
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Was that even released on PC? Or am I thinking of the original Saints Row?

Either way, one bad port in a string of otherwise decent releases doesn't tarnish their image for me. What did make me lose some respect for them is the amount of DLC gouging in SR3 and SR4, especially SR4. Holy crap.
 
Sincerely I still don't understand what the problem are having the people or what are the major concern with a single game which isn't even released yet to the market. people making worse predictions than Michael Pachter and more "Enthusiasm" than Roy Taylor together. Both fanboys from one side and the other, both just are making yourself appear stupid with predictions without any base or knowledge, everyone now have a crystal ball to say if NVidia can or can't improve driver performance? where can I find my own crystal ball?.

How hard can be just wait to the final release of the game and see the performance? not by a benchmark tool but by the game itself.. Benchmark tools can tell a number but as every reader of [H] its the ingame number what matter..

In the Other hand:

Yakk said:
Try Mantle games; they are full released games already and previews the games to come in DX12 & Vulkan. It's no longer theoretical, it's been practical for a good while now. Buying a 980ti to play 3+ year old games is a reason though. ;)
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What Mantle games? how much mantle games does exist with no issues using mantle? Ignoring BF4 and Thief which both have poor performance or issues using mantle.. Dragon Age Inquisition only?


Habibus said:
How bad are Nvidia driver issues with Windows 10? Is it like Vista level bad?
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I have right now in use 8 Nvidia cards (980, 980TI). no problem, not a single problem with any of those cards...
 
wantapple said:
Stop saying that nvidia drivers will improve or boost dx12 fps like AMD gpus because isn't going to happen. The problem arent the drivers is the architecture it selft.
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do you honestly think they're 100% tapped out on all fronts and have no further way to improve whatsoever
 
socK said:
do you honestly think they're 100% tapped out on all fronts and have no further way to improve whatsoever
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Since none of us actually design any of the architecture (maybe some do?) I don't think hypothetical questions will lead to any real revealing answers.

But then, Pascal.
 
socK said:
do you honestly think they're 100% tapped out on all fronts and have no further way to improve whatsoever
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AMD has positioned their graphics architecture to best serve in tandem with a CPU feeding the gfx card vast amounts of workload for it's shaders/cores to make the magic happen on screen as quickly as they can. DX12 allows for the CPU to be utilized much more in compiling all the workload for rendering and then sending that info for the waiting graphics card to put that work into action where as DX11 was made in such a way as to make the GPU perform the compiling and rendering while the CPU is not as involved in the functions of the software(games in our case) which in turn required lots of driver and game optimizations on the side of the game developers and our beloved graphics benefactors.

As a right know nvidia is way behind, there is nothing they can do now. Maybe next year they will change their architecture. If not, i don't know how they are going to fight back AMD.
 
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wantapple said:
AMD has positioned their graphics architecture to best serve in tandem with a CPU feeding the gfx card vast amounts of workload for it's shaders/cores to make the magic happen on screen as quickly as they can. DX12 allows for the CPU to be utilized much more in compiling all the workload for rendering and then sending that info for the waiting graphics card to put that work into action where as DX11 was made in such a way as to make the GPU perform the compiling and rendering while the CPU is not as involved in the functions of the software(games in our case) which in turn required lots of driver and game optimizations on the side of the game developers and our beloved graphics benefactors.

As a right know nvidia is way behind, there is nothing they can do now. Maybe next year they will change their architecture. If not, i don't know how they are going to fight back AMD.
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what a blatantly ignorant commentary.. God.. :eek: it's really impressive..

suddenly a DirectX programmer/designer but also a game developer/programmer/designer teach us and decide to enlighten us :rolleyes:

Still I don't know if it was trolling or serious :(
 
If I had a nickel for every time I've read an "nvidia is doomed!" post quickly followed by another report showing nvidia has significantly increased its market share in the most recent quarter, I could retire today.
 
jwcalla said:
If I had a nickel for every time I've read an "nvidia is doomed!" post quickly followed by another report showing nvidia has significantly increased its market share in the most recent quarter, I could retire today.
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Really dude :s
 
Araxie said:
what a blatantly ignorant commentary.. God.. :eek: it's really impressive..

suddenly a DirectX programmer/designer but also a game developer/programmer/designer teach us and decide to enlighten us :rolleyes:

Still I don't know if it was trolling or serious :(
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Look im trolling...

the future is in parrelalism not serial...

Enjoy.
 
jwcalla said:
If I had a nickel for every time I've read an "nvidia is doomed!" post quickly followed by another report showing nvidia has significantly increased its market share in the most recent quarter, I could retire today.
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Nah, you would be flat broke since I have not seen anything of the sort. Perhaps its all in your mind?
 
i would have to agree.

Ive rarely ready any "nvidia is doomed" posts.

they are usually "AMD is doomed"

lol
 
The Mac said:
i would have to agree.

Ive rarely ready any "nvidia is doomed" posts.

they are usually "AMD is doomed"

lol
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Whatever happened to that guy who made like 20 accounts and kept saying that nvidia was finished because they're not in any consoles? lol that was some good reading.
 
socK said:
do you honestly think they're 100% tapped out on all fronts and have no further way to improve whatsoever
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Improvement surely can be made, but the architecture defect can't be corrected by "drivers".

Fundamental problem is DX12 allows engine talks to hardware much more directly, this intrinsically reduce greatly the role of drivers. Since all consoles are going in that direction, major game engines are following.

This is not something nVidia's driver can fix, if driver's role is reduced to begin with. They specially optimize for this game to begin with, and still suffered.

If you have current gen N cards, it won't do well with DX12 titles coming down the line fast. Next gen? Perhaps. But don't hang your hope on something unrealistic.
 
crislevinZTAMPj said:
If you have current gen N cards, it won't do well with DX12 titles coming down the line fast. Next gen? Perhaps. But don't hang your hope on something unrealistic.
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AotS is probably not a good representation of future game titles that people are going to be interested in... to put it diplomatically.

But hey, I have to give it to them... they've been able to conjure up a lot of press for the game with this controversial "benchmark".
 
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