White House Unveils ConnectHome For Low-Income Households

There are a lot of places that will refurb old computers (not too old, either) and give to low income people, which includes a lot of retired or disabled seniors. I used to do this before I got my current job. I still would, but I got my used computers from people that did upgrades and such when I was doing that as a side job. We all have old computers when we upgrade. Some end up being recycled, some end up on Craigslist. Most sit in a closet until it's too old to even donate.

I don't like my taxes going to folks that don't work, either. It sucks. But, it helps out a lot of people, too. It's all or none, no middle ground. Same with defense. We're paying out the ass for shit that sits and depreciates that was built by a company that is invested in by politicians. They make money by us footing the bill. It's a dirty game.

Internet is becoming a need, probably moreso than a cheap phone. Looking for work, medical stuff, and yes - porn and playing games.

I'll concede...to porn as a NEED! :D
 
More ignorant bullshit for the manipulated masses. "The jobs are intended for teenagers or part time" is the stupidest fucking thing i have ever heard in defense of this shit.
Who exactly is trying to manipulate the "The Masses" (notable lingo that is tipping your hand). I'm offering reality not candy like you. Whose doing the manipulation.

Socialisms? You are still on that ignorant socialism shit? It just shows how completely disconnected you are from reality.
Leveling up the reward you get in life to be indifferent from the value of the work you do isn't Socialism? You need a dictionary or to stop lying and admit what you are pushing for.

Im not downplaying welfare im simply stating facts. If you are mad about where your tax dollars are going and you are blaming welfare you are flat out retarded and should pull your head from your ass and see where your taxes are actually going. Not even 10% of the federal budget and you idiots still want to blame the poor for your taxes being taken.
We have an unrealistic federal payout that will bring it all down and the bulk of the payout, despite the manipulate numbers I'm sure you have somewhere lying around, is almost all 'social services'. There won't be anything for people to eat who really need the help let alone get internet porn and gaming, if we don't get a realistic grip and soon.
 
There is nothing more annoying in todays world than this ignorant notion that low income = refuse to work. It really shows where you get your news (propaganda) from.

In most cases

low income = refuse to work or lack of work ethic
or
low income = bad life choices (drug use, dropping out of school, etc.)

While there are some exceptions like health problems, natural disasters or even bad luck, that only applies to a small number of the poor.


I started working in High School, and had to work and pay my own way through college. Only thing my parents could contribute was free room and board. Some of my fellow students ask how I could possibly work full time and still go to school full time. It was simple, I didn't do any thing else, just work and school until I graduated. Some days I little time to eat or sleep. I then worked, scrimped and saved and waited until I could afford to get married and have kids.

As for the poor, I had a relative that had to deal with some renters under section 8 housing. Lots of drug usage, missed rent payments, EBT card abuse (i.e. let me pick up some food for you at the store and you can pay me cash later so I can buy drugs).

I get my news from the real world, not some propaganda mouthpiece like MSNBC or CNN.
 
With the activation of Title II, you understand this is going to be how the big telcos start getting the taxpayers to foot the bill for network expansion, right?

If you actually bothered to read the law, there's a mechanism by which the government can mandate infrastructure installation and the telcos can get reimbursement from the government. That's how they'll direct service extension to under-served areas.

If you think the end user fraud waste and abuse will be bad, wait until you see how bad the "corporate welfare" abuse will be.
 
but less than half of households below the $25,0000 income level can tap into high-speed Internet. The American Library Association, which applauded the president's move on Wednesday, said 5 million households with school-age children do not have high-speed Internet service.
5 million households don't have access to a library? (many of which have broadband access and almost all in major cities, where most of said poor households are).

access to over 275,000 low-income households
275,000 / 5,000,000 = 5.5%
way to aim high!

And I leave this thread, because I know where it's going :)
 
So why can't the poor be expected to learn to budget more wisely? I do! I make low 6 figures as a Piper and live more frugal than those on Gov’t assistance. I see poor folks with fancy rims and stereo systems in their cars that I MUST compensate for. Nothing should be a guaranteed human right. You get what you earn in life. Or that’s how it was before the entitled took over. One day it’ll crumble…and I’ll be a GAWD! LOL


Sometimes things like housing, food and clothing take precedence over computers and internet access.

How do you know the people you see with rims and fancy stereos are poor? Did you access their bank accounts?
 
Another idiot.

The president has no direct impact on the program, and one could hardly call these devices "Obama Phones,". This specific program, SafeLink, started under President George Bush, with grants from an independent company created under President Bill Clinton, which was a legacy of an act passed under President Franklin Roosevelt, which was influenced by an agreement reached between telecommunications companies and the administration of President Woodrow Wilson.

Do you even know where the term "Obama phone" came from? I am guessing not.

It came from a welfare leech who was asked some questions by a reporter.

They asked this person something about why they were going to vote for him. they told the reporter that it was because they could get a free cell phone from Obama.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio

There was another person that says the money that they are given is from Obama's stash.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOZ-Etb0k0Q

These are they type of people that are voting. Is this really the road you want the USA to go down?
 
Do you even know where the term "Obama phone" came from? I am guessing not.

It came from a welfare leech who was asked some questions by a reporter.

They asked this person something about why they were going to vote for him. they told the reporter that it was because they could get a free cell phone from Obama.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio

There was another person that says the money that they are given is from Obama's stash.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOZ-Etb0k0Q

These are they type of people that are voting. Is this really the road you want the USA to go down?

I dunno, do they let you vote?
 
In most cases

(citation?)


I started working in High School, and had to work and pay my own way through college. Only thing my parents could contribute was free room and board.
ahhh... the ONLY thing you got for free was no need to pay rent, or buy food. Yeah that's chump change.

Also when was college? And what college did you go to? For me, I could work any minimum wage job for only 10 hours a week and pay for school (Minimum wage was I think 4.25/hr then), can't exactly do that today, even though the minimum wage here is more than twice that.
 
Sometimes things like housing, food and clothing take precedence over computers and internet access.

How do you know the people you see with rims and fancy stereos are poor? Did you access their bank accounts?

Former In-Laws
 
How do you know the people you see with rims and fancy stereos are poor? Did you access their bank accounts?

They didn't have their pinkies raised. :)

There are some people with nice iPhones, a nice car, a good house but they got in some shit. Lost their job, divorce, injury, whatever. So, they are on welfare but still have all that stuff. It's temporary for them. They just didn't have that 6 month net (or they did and it ran out)... Shit happens. That's what I see welfare used for. There are a lot of people getting more attention for using and abusing the system. Those that need it are less vocal because they don't want everyone to know... it's embarrassing.
 
I dunno, do they let you vote?

Not sure if you are trying to goad me into personally attacking you which would result in me possibly getting an infraction.

In any case, it is very apparent that nothing I could say would convince you to think rationally.
 
Not sure if you are trying to goad me into personally attacking you which would result in me possibly getting an infraction.

In any case, it is very apparent that nothing I could say would convince you to think rationally.

I would be very interested in where you think rationality enters your point of view on this topic considering the folly of letting the stupid poors vote.
 
From the article
"the pilot program will launch in 27 cities including New York, Boston and Seattle"
not just the reservation in the middle of nowhere.

Everyone making minimum wage these days has a phone. It may not always have voice service, but they have it.

The free market sorts things out well in most cases. Nice to see private companies kicking in.

Waving any magic wand and changing the dynamic to give others a "leg up" only disrupts the others running the same race. Eventually, the ones running in the middle of the pack stop running. History has proven this time and again. And people wonder why there's a widening gap between the have's and have not's . . . that's just the "runners" continuing to run the race.
 
Oh hey look, more of our tax dollars doled out to people that don't deserve it.
 
We spend a tiny fraction of our taxes on welfare and programs like this.

Entitlement programs accounted for 2/3 of the federal budget in 2014. Definitely not "a tiny fraction". Defense spending made up 17%. 66% on entitlements vs. 17% on defense means we spend almost 4 times on entitlements what we do on defense.
 
Yeah, if you count medicare and social security

Do you consider programs you paid into your whole life welfare when you start to collect them?
 
Yeah, if you count medicare and social security

Do you consider programs you paid into your whole life welfare when you start to collect them?

Yes…It’s mandatory, is less effective than the private sector, pays less than what you pay in, and people who pay little to nothing into it often get more than those that pay in their whole lives.
 
The govt takes my money today to give to those over retirement age in the form of Medicare and Social Security. The money that the govt tells me I will receive when I reach retirement age is not the money they collect from me now. Social Security and Medicare are not voluntary, btw.
 
Another idiot.

The president has no direct impact on the program, and one could hardly call these devices "Obama Phones,". This specific program, SafeLink, started under President George Bush, with grants from an independent company created under President Bill Clinton, which was a legacy of an act passed under President Franklin Roosevelt, which was influenced by an agreement reached between telecommunications companies and the administration of President Woodrow Wilson.

Actually it was President Reagan who actually implemented the Lifeline program in the early or mid 80s(?) I think as part of the Communications act.. um.. in the 40s? something like that.

I know it stalled for a while then picked up steam in teh 90's again died off and then President Bush v2.0 and President Obama moved it to include Cell phones which you can find in a shoe box stuffed in a closet of many of the poor people's homes.
 
Literally everything is done online now
Applying for jobs
Accessing medical information
Interacting with state and local governments
Applying for snap or tanf

Our society has become so dependant on and integrated with internet access that it is basically a human right at this point.

and that is needed in ones home? Tell you what ok .. lets do that.. but then limit firewall it off so all they can get to is Government services you know places like DoT, DoJ,White House, MSNBC and then see how long it lasts.
 
You think that a household with people that are too lazy or too drunk/stoned to get their kids to school would be a good candidate for home schooling?

You have no idea how much work proper home schooling is.

Amen,

It takes an insane amount of commitment and time to properly educate a child. It is not a job; it is a lifestyle. The moms and dads who are sincere in home schooling take it very seriously, they study to make best decisions and environment possible for the children learn Where I am coming from: I was home schooled and my son is now.

A very astute, disciplined, bright child might be able to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and learn by themselves in homeschooling, but lets be realistic: we are not talking about these type of children (for the most part). The poor mentality will not be solved by more education (many will not learn), money (here today gone tomorrow) or the internet (youtube, facebook and pr0n). The personality traits created by family and culture have to change.

This is one of the reasons public school in general is a fail, you cannot personalize education to even a learning level, in 3rd grade for instance at one of the schools around here, there are kids who can't read and ones that read at highschool levels.... guess who dictates the curriculum? There are lost causes in education, we just pretend they don't exist, unfortunately the same thing goes for the poor. There are humans that merely live to consume, to exist only. Giving things for free to these only deepens the consumption. This really applies to many aspects of humanity whether it be healthcare, welfare, education - there is a point where you have to realize there are diminishing (non existent) returns.

Should we not give food and education to the poor? I think we should to a point, however we should be willing to say this child might not be college material and work them into a trade. This person is not going to get a job, feed them, house them and that's it. As far as the internet? I think there should be a nationwide network created and the ISP's rent the infrastructure with all finds funding the maintenance and upgrade of that infrastructure BTW I am libertarian - but unless google does it themselves or a kick-starter, done by US the people, builds enough money to fiber connect the US - there is only one entity capable of doing the job at this point and that is the govt.
 
Yeah, if you count medicare and social security

Do you consider programs you paid into your whole life welfare when you start to collect them?

Yes. These are welfare programs. Can we stop sugar coating it. When nearly 66% of your yearly nearly $4 trillion dollar budget is dedicated to money you will never get an ROI on, ever, then it is pissed away money that is given away never to be seen again.
 
maybe before the MANY tax dollars I've given the government are donated to the inner cities; maybe the Gov can get rural broadband to where it should be, not what ATT, Verizon et. al. claimed they would make it when they took the billions in subsidies.

Personally, I don't think the main limitation of people living in the inner city is poor internet. It may help 1 in 1000 kids, and some may claim it's a worthy investment even so, but I think we all need to see the studies and the "real" estimates of a cost vs benefit ratio before signing off on this, and not some Gov made up BS statistics.
 
Yes. These are welfare programs. Can we stop sugar coating it. When nearly 66% of your yearly nearly $4 trillion dollar budget is dedicated to money you will never get an ROI on, ever, then it is pissed away money that is given away never to be seen again.

ROI? Its not a hedge fund, its a government. You guys are so ridiculous. Such a childish worldview.
 
More ignorant bullshit for the manipulated masses. "The jobs are intended for teenagers or part time" is the stupidest fucking thing i have ever heard in defense of this shit.

Socialisms? You are still on that ignorant socialism shit? It just shows how completely disconnected you are from reality.

Im not downplaying welfare im simply stating facts. If you are mad about where your tax dollars are going and you are blaming welfare you are flat out retarded and should pull your head from your ass and see where your taxes are actually going. Not even 10% of the federal budget and you idiots still want to blame the poor for your taxes being taken.

I think you are a bit out of touch as well.
Not sure where you live, or your background. I'll tell you what I see around me in North Central Illinois.

Grocery store: Very very very common that EBT card users have more food, better brand food etc... vs what I can afford to feed by family of 6(wife, 4kids and myself). Often these same people smoke cigarettes. Often they have iphones(newer in general, not old ones). Often they drive nicer cars than myself(05 Honda minivan with 150k miles). As a teen I worked at a grocery store(25yrs ago) and even then it was bad. I worked seafood/meat dept. People on food stamps(they were printed coupons at the time) would get lobster, steak, etc... They would yell at me b/c I wouldn't steam a lobster for them. No kidding b/c they cannot buy prepared foods, it was somehow my fault. Then they'd roll out in a nice Caddy, BMW etc...

Healthcare: I work in healthcare so this is firsthand. Medicaid pt's tend to be some of the rudest, disrespectful, unappreciative and demanding patients I come across. Everything is a perceived slight. They don't pay anything for their visits, or if they do it's a $2 co payment. ER abuse b/c they are too lazy to schedule appts costing tons of $ to be wasted and also the ER is NOT a good place to receive primary care medicine; you go there for EMERGENCIES. They use more healthcare on average then most working/paying customers b/c there are no barriers for them like they are for my family, co payments, deductibles etc... These patients have a much higher percentage of negative lifestyle choices, ie smoking, drugs, obesity as compared to the "general" population.

School: We are solid middle class, I make a health salary, but my wife is stay at home and supporting 6 people today, and paying the myriad of taxes, fees etc... is burdensome. But we do it. We get nickeled and dimed and school. Book, lab, this fee, that fee etc... Poor people get it free. I'm OK with that, but when I see these same people later with Coach purses, buying their 12yr old daughter Victoria's secret bras, taking their kids to Disney on 1wk vacations: Yeah IT PISSES ME OFF. I'm subsidizing their lifestyles and poor choices: mostly teen pregnancy and dad takes off leaving mom who doesn't work, to support these kids. so they get their Gov handouts and they make due however, either she works part time, lives with their parents(kids grandparents) etc...

So you can cry all you want about corporate welfare and how we are all paranoid, racist, poor hating, awful people. But the hard reality is, many of us live close enough to the issue that our hard work doesn't benefit us proportionally more vs what their standard of living is. In effect, what another poster mentioned about people quitting work as it wasn't worth it to them to work, is becoming a great reality. I see it almost every day in our community. People giving up working b/c they cannot afford to give up the freebies they can get otherwise. I have a master's degree, work hard, and make a good salary. I have some $ in the bank, and a nicer house, but as far as clothes, cars, food, etc... The poor around me can live better, and where is the fairness in that???????????????
 
So just quit your job and go on welfare if it's so great?

Oh right, you won't, because actually its awful and demeaning.

Stop acting like its a free ticket to the easy life. If it was, you would take it. Being on government assistance sucks.
 
So just quit your job and go on welfare if it's so great?

Oh right, you won't, because actually its awful and demeaning.

Stop acting like its a free ticket to the easy life. If it was, you would take it. Being on government assistance sucks.

well you lost my respect. Don't demonize me for my viewpoints that are rooted FIRMLY in reality.

I don't go on welfare b/c I don't want to teach my kids to give up, to live off the Gov dole, to accept defeat, to depend on others. I was on Gov assistance as a child and yes it was demeaning, and I often would go hungry over lunch as opposed to using my free lunch card, b/c it was a different color and I did get teased; so I do get it being on that end some in my life. I also wont do it b/c I feel some responsibility as a citizen to pull my weight and that of my offspring. Something, that was as a society are losing quickly; personal responsibility.
 
But when you were taking government assistance, it was different. You really needed it, right?

For your family it wasn't about personal responsibility problem. That's just for other people. :rolleyes:
 
But when you were taking government assistance, it was different. You really needed it, right?

For your family it wasn't about personal responsibility problem. That's just for other people. :rolleyes:

you moron, you don't know anything about my background you elitist liberal jackoff. My mom was a hard working German lady widowed from my father who got cancer and died when I was younger. She refused any assistance except that one thing for her kid because she couldn't afford to pack me a lunch; and you somehow in your ivory tower, can judge me. I've been on that side of the coin. I grew up on that side of the track. I've seen families in need, and I've seen many who didn't. I'm not campaigning for anyone who needs assistance to not get it. What we are saying is, the government has gone of the tracks in it's quest to cure poverty. Some people just don't aspire to be anything more. They are happy enough living that life. Fine, I'm not judging you, but I don't think I need to support you if you simple choose not to work, or contribute to society. I've also seen many that SHOULD get benefits, and the shame is, there are too many takers who shouldn't get aid, and no $ left over for some that should. I'll gladly contribute to those who are trying, who are wanting to join our society and try to contribute to the overall good. Whoever thinks we have unlimited supplies of money or resources is mistaken. When I see waste I call it out, and I see a TON of it around me daily. Any rebuttal about the corporate welfare I'm not going to debate. I agree partially. But until you liberals figure out we have the HIGHEST corporate tax rate of any developed nation by far; with the most insane corporate tax loopholes and own that the Democrats are JUST AS MUCH TO BLAME AS Republicans in this regard; putting in a flat fair corporate tax w/out any loopholes and get rid of offshoring companies/inversions and allowing companies like the liberal Apple inc to keep hundreds of billions offshore to avoid taxes. That just won't change. It's too big of a mess to fix otherwise.
 
PS. Maybe if MORE MOTHER's like mine, who pulled up their sleeves and worked harder to overcome her situation, who aspired to be more and succedded; maybe we would have more kids today who learned a work ethic. Who learned how to overcome. I attribute any success in my life to learning from her example. Not from getting free lunch for 2 years in middle school b/c my father died and my mother took awhile to get back on her feet; which I'll remind you I generally refused b/c it was shameful and I wasn't that hungry.
 
you moron, you don't know anything about my background you elitist liberal jackoff. My mom was a hard working German lady widowed from my father who got cancer and died when I was younger. She refused any assistance except that one thing for her kid because she couldn't afford to pack me a lunch; and you somehow in your ivory tower, can judge me. I've been on that side of the coin. I grew up on that side of the track. I've seen families in need, and I've seen many who didn't. I'm not campaigning for anyone who needs assistance to not get it. What we are saying is, the government has gone of the tracks in it's quest to cure poverty. Some people just don't aspire to be anything more. They are happy enough living that life. Fine, I'm not judging you, but I don't think I need to support you if you simple choose not to work, or contribute to society. I've also seen many that SHOULD get benefits, and the shame is, there are too many takers who shouldn't get aid, and no $ left over for some that should. I'll gladly contribute to those who are trying, who are wanting to join our society and try to contribute to the overall good. Whoever thinks we have unlimited supplies of money or resources is mistaken. When I see waste I call it out, and I see a TON of it around me daily. Any rebuttal about the corporate welfare I'm not going to debate. I agree partially. But until you liberals figure out we have the HIGHEST corporate tax rate of any developed nation by far; with the most insane corporate tax loopholes and own that the Democrats are JUST AS MUCH TO BLAME AS Republicans in this regard; putting in a flat fair corporate tax w/out any loopholes and get rid of offshoring companies/inversions and allowing companies like the liberal Apple inc to keep hundreds of billions offshore to avoid taxes. That just won't change. It's too big of a mess to fix otherwise.

I don't judge you for taking assistance. I'm glad it was there for you.

I judge you for begrudging others something that helped you.
 
Lest we forget this is the same corporate devil that laid low Nikola Tesla with their stranglehold on finances. Really though, most know it to at least be a bankster institution (and a growing number understand it to be working for the goals of the devil.) Maybe this is their cue to quit and seek better, less conscience-violating employment?
 
The thing I don't get is why do all of these white middle class people keep villainizing the poor, rather than the people they should be villainizing, the rich. I guess all of that paid for propaganda, Faux News, Rush Limbaugh, etc, works. Too bad poor people don't have the resources to buy some of that. The lack of empathy and attacks on poor people, combined with the lack of critical thinking skills, in this country, make me sick.
 
Our tax dollars already go to supplying that Internet access at the libraries. Mine has WiFi available 24/7 and it is not uncommon to see people sitting in the parking lot on their laptops/tablets. Our school buildings have unsecured WiFi networks as well and the scene is very similar to the library. The park in the middle of town has WiFi. Some of the people living adjacent to the park don't have their own Internet connections because the free one is available to them.

Between the infrastructure subsidization, proliferation of free public/municipal WiFi, and now the free hookup in the home, we might as well just socialize the entire ISP system. I'm not against providing assistance to the poor. Providing for necessities like food and healthcare make sense. I'm not sure that Internet access is on that same level (not to mention that with all of the money constantly funneled into infrastructure, we still have large swaths of countryside without high-speed Internet access).

I listened to the news of the announcement on NPR yesterday. They followed up by interviewing several important people who all justified the expenditure by saying that a lack of high-speed Internet access was preventing poor people from getting good jobs and not being poor anymore. I see it as more of a minor inconvenience and I seriously question our government's motivations. We aren't creating enough good jobs for those that are already engaged in the workforce...
You sound like you don't understand that public libraries and public schools are funded by local tax dollars.
 
well you lost my respect. Don't demonize me for my viewpoints that are rooted FIRMLY in reality.

I don't go on welfare b/c I don't want to teach my kids to give up, to live off the Gov dole, to accept defeat, to depend on others. I was on Gov assistance as a child and yes it was demeaning, and I often would go hungry over lunch as opposed to using my free lunch card, b/c it was a different color and I did get teased; so I do get it being on that end some in my life. I also wont do it b/c I feel some responsibility as a citizen to pull my weight and that of my offspring. Something, that was as a society are losing quickly; personal responsibility.
Your post wasn't rooted in reality, it was rooted in assumption.

You have no idea that the poor people you saw at your kids' schools were buying their daughters victoria secret bras or coach purses. How would you even know the income level of your kids' school mates? Just an assumption...

Victoria Secret and Coach doesn't take food stamps...so you're talking about seeing someone you saw who you assume is poor buying a bra at VS? Or someone with a Coach purse paying for something with food stamps?

You were working the meat counter at a grocery store and you saw that same customer get into a BMW in the parking lot? That sounds like bullshit. What did you do? Your curiosity got the best of you and you hung your apron up on the wall and ran after them to see how they paid for it (unless you want us to believe that they paid the deli section in food stamps!) and then followed them out into the parking lot...

But let's just say you did do that for some unknown reason. That somehow you actually managed to follow someone all through the store and then out into the parking lot and actually watched them get into a BMW...

How do you think that occurred? There are a couple ways that can occur:
1) someone bought that BMW with cash and still manages to claim they are poor on paper
Who can do that? Drug dealers and prostitutes mainly. Someone working under the table in the black market.

or

2) the person driving the BMW isn't actually poor but still has food stamps.
Why? They're either using someone else's food stamps or got paid for something in food stamps. Who might take food stamps for some service? Well...I know it's shocking but those poor people can't buy cigarettes or drugs or alcohol with them so they sell them to someone with cash.

It's not the prettiest thing that happens in the world. It's one of the reasons they program transitioned to cards instead of paper vouchers (which is when you saw this abuse occurring).

But the simple fact of the matter is you can't reasonably believe that everyone on food stamps, or even the vast majority, are fucking the system like that. I don't disbelieve that *some* people were able to do it, but your examples make it out like poor people have it so easy and that's simply not true.


Anecdote for an anecdote, when I was on food stamps because I was living out of a broken down car and eating from a dumpster, I was able to get about 100 bucks per month...for three months. after that I was classified as an able-bodied male and given $5 bucks per month. My case worker told me that at least I could get a gallon of milk...per month.

I had to have all my food separate from anyone else living in the house. If it was in a shared fridge I had to have it labeled. But whatever...that was before PRWORA, which caps benefits at 2 years in a row and a 5 year life max.
 
And the neat thing for the naysayers is if they get their way and we keep poorer people from being able to do things and learn on the internet we help keep their skills and education lower and so they have no chance to improve and go on and get rich like they are supposed to which just proves their point about all those "useless" people. Nice vicious circle.

It's so obvious a person in the U.S. only have to work hard in order to become rich, what a neat secret I'm surprised more people haven't figured this out otherwise we would have 300+ million billionaires (and a hamburger would cost $20,000).
 
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