Skynet Happens To Be Real Confirms NSA

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I'm not going to say I told you so but....I told you so. WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!

Skynet is said to be a real security program used by the NSA and it watches over locations and communication patterns of any suspects that are said to be of interest. It harvests the metadata of mobile networks along with bulk call records.
 
We, as a nation, and the 'west' in general have really gone off the deep end.
Military madness before insuring our future, we wont escape the consequences, I don't think its possible.
 
Whatever, Google does this kinda stuff like a million times better and tracks everyone instead of just suspected terrorists. The NSA is in the stone age by comparison.
 
At some point Google to the NSA/DOJ may become like IBM to the Gestapo, if not in the process of being molded in that direction already. But for now the gov overreach is the bigger problem for sure:

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/0...ogle-how-google-fights-on-behalf-of-its-users

One case reaches back to the beginning of 2011, when the U.S. Department of Justice tried to force Google to turn over more than a year's worth of metadata for a user affiliated with WikiLeaks. While these demands did not include the content of emails, they did include records of this party's email correspondents, and IP addresses he had used to login to his Gmail account. Notably, DOJ didn't even seek a search warrant. They wanted Google to turn over the data based on the lesser "reasonable grounds" standard rather than the "probable cause" standard of a search warrant itself. And most ominously, DOJ wanted a gag order to prevent Google from informing this party that any of this was going on, which would make it impossible for him to muster any kind of legal defense.
 
At some point Google to the NSA/DOJ may become like IBM to the Gestapo, if not in the process of being molded in that direction already. But for now the gov overreach is the bigger problem for sure:

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/0...ogle-how-google-fights-on-behalf-of-its-users

Google cannot be trusted at all for anything. The only reason Google "fights on behalf of its users" is because their bottom line depends on it. They have absolutely no interest in doing good just for the sake of it. Just saying...
 
The NSA is in the stone age by comparison.

The scary part is that it's the opposite. The NSA is way ahead of Google, and Google is doing some mind blowing things.

No human could go through that much information, it's only natural to have a computer do it and analyze it for patterns. What sucks is that "the list" will be those that are capable of committing a crime, not those that have committed a crime or are planning one.
 
We, as a nation, and the 'west' in general have really gone off the deep end.
Military madness before insuring our future, we wont escape the consequences, I don't think its possible.

Now now, don't panic. No links to any document in the entire article, not even a pointer to someone else's work. The NSA collects cell phone data world wide, nothing in the article to say that this power point slid was talking about the data collected from Americans or if it's just data collected from foreign sources. This is part of the problem with all this leaked information. First off, much of it is simply misrepresented as proof of wrongdoing when it actually doesn't prove anything of the sort, and second, the writers fail to distinquish between activities that are improper and those that are the proper function of the Agency.

You seem to see terrible consequences ahead, so do I. But for me, it's the media and the low regard they have for ethical reporting that is the greatest threat. We can't tell what's real and what isn't cause these assholes are more corrupt then the people they are reporting on.
 
It's finally ON

Dear skynet; rock beats scissors, scissors beat paper, Zirconium beats cctv.
 
In related news, Amazon's trojan horse "Echo" is now available for those of you that like paying to be spied on. For the low price of $179.99 you too can have your entire life perpetually monetized by the largest e-commerce company in the world.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00X4WHP5E/
 
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The scary part is that it's the opposite. The NSA is way ahead of Google, and Google is doing some mind blowing things.

No human could go through that much information, it's only natural to have a computer do it and analyze it for patterns. What sucks is that "the list" will be those that are capable of committing a crime, not those that have committed a crime or are planning one.

Based on my weeks of experience playing Candy Crush Saga and reading articles on the blog I pretend to write, I'm like a billion percent sure that the government can't even manage to do simple stuff like consolidate two dissimilar data silos, let alone reach out to tap as many data input points as Google. Google has e-mail, adservices, browsers, search results, text messages, phone calls, location data, app downloads and usage metrics, and so forth of a big chunk of the global population with the ability to link it to identities. The NSA can't even come close to that kinda collection because a lot of what it does has to stay covert and targets specific people. Sure once they find a target, they can prolly monitor pretty effectively, but the don't have the resources or reach to take such big brush strokes.
 
In related news, Amazon's trojan horse "Echo" is now available for those of you that like paying to be spied on. For the low price of $179.99 you too can have your entire life perpetually monetized by the largest e-commerce company in the world.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00X4WHP5E/
Why pay when you could use Google Chrome for free?
http://www.techworm.net/2015/06/google-chrome-secretly-downloads-an-audio-listener-to-your-pc-that-can-snoop-on-you.html
 
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Laser microphones, brute forcing cryptography, tuple assembling by noise analysis - yeah we get it, you know everything. Right?
 
Now now, don't panic. No links to any document in the entire article, not even a pointer to someone else's work. The NSA collects cell phone data world wide, nothing in the article to say that this power point slid was talking about the data collected from Americans or if it's just data collected from foreign sources. This is part of the problem with all this leaked information. First off, much of it is simply misrepresented as proof of wrongdoing when it actually doesn't prove anything of the sort, and second, the writers fail to distinquish between activities that are improper and those that are the proper function of the Agency.

You seem to see terrible consequences ahead, so do I. But for me, it's the media and the low regard they have for ethical reporting that is the greatest threat. We can't tell what's real and what isn't cause these assholes are more corrupt then the people they are reporting on.

Maybe you would be better off having a alternate [H] account when you post in NSA-related subjects :D
 
In related news, Amazon's trojan horse "Echo" is now available for those of you that like paying to be spied on. For the low price of $179.99 you too can have your entire life perpetually monetized by the largest e-commerce company in the world.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00X4WHP5E/

That happened several years ago, when Amazon formed a complicit relationship with the likes of the NSA and CIA. Amazon is one of the world's foremost data mining companies, and you better believe that the federal government is a big customer of theirs.
 
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That happened several years ago, when Amazon formed a complicit relationship with the likes of the NSA and CIA. Amazon is one of the world's foremost data mining companies, and you better believe that the federal government is a big customer of theirs.

What are you talking about; what happened several years ago related to Amazon's brand new product "Echo"?

I get what you are alluding to with this comment but it does not make sense.
 
The NSA can't even come close to that kinda collection because a lot of what it does has to stay covert and targets specific people.
It's well documented that the NSA has monitoring hardware installed in Tier 1 through Tier 3 service providers. They can literally listen to all internet traffic that passes through the country. Google's capabilities don't even come close to that.
 
It's well documented that the NSA has monitoring hardware installed in Tier 1 through Tier 3 service providers. They can literally listen to all internet traffic that passes through the country. Google's capabilities don't even come close to that.

That's an urban myth made up by self-professed industry insiders to land interviews with media outlets that cater to the paranoid subculture of people that need invented reasons to lay awake at night being scared of M.I.B. types so they can justify building a survival bunker into their basement to a spouse who already knows her hubby is just bored and needs a project that keeps him away from his kids so he can't be a bad influence on them.
 
That's an urban myth made up by self-professed industry insiders to land interviews with media outlets that cater to the paranoid subculture of people that need invented reasons to lay awake at night being scared of M.I.B. types so they can justify building a survival bunker into their basement to a spouse who already knows her hubby is just bored and needs a project that keeps him away from his kids so he can't be a bad influence on them.

Hey there random poster- sorry for the weirdness but you're a woman, right? I don't mean nothing by it and you don't have to answer. You can also lie. It's just an experiment.

Say they mine for targeted advertising. Educate yourself and you know how to vote with your wallet.
Say they mine for elimination of enemies of the status quo - they will eventually get into an argument over power and fail.
Just try to educate yourself and you'll be fine. Or at least better off.
 
Hey there random poster- sorry for the weirdness but you're a woman, right? I don't mean nothing by it and you don't have to answer. You can also lie. It's just an experiment.

Say they mine for targeted advertising. Educate yourself and you know how to vote with your wallet.
Say they mine for elimination of enemies of the status quo - they will eventually get into an argument over power and fail.
Just try to educate yourself and you'll be fine. Or at least better off.

I'm sorry, the point of your post just whooshed over my head completely. What are you getting at?
 
Based on my weeks of experience playing Candy Crush Saga and reading articles on the blog I pretend to write, I'm like a billion percent sure that the government can't even manage to do simple stuff like consolidate two dissimilar data silos, let alone reach out to tap as many data input points as Google. Google has e-mail, adservices, browsers, search results, text messages, phone calls, location data, app downloads and usage metrics, and so forth of a big chunk of the global population with the ability to link it to identities. The NSA can't even come close to that kinda collection because a lot of what it does has to stay covert and targets specific people. Sure once they find a target, they can prolly monitor pretty effectively, but the don't have the resources or reach to take such big brush strokes.

The NSA can do that, and a lot more. Yes, they target specific people, but those people are selected due to the patterns found with the NSA software. After the software analyzes the incoming data from those users, it flags anything out of the ordinary. If multiple flags are raised for a single individual (and yes, they know your many aliases online), they get more scrutiny. Still doesn't mean they are going to do anything. Not until you do become a threat. Even then, do they have any legally obtained evidence so when you're in court, they can go off that without exposing the illegal operations? They are even more critical on that part lately due to public perception. Less people 'disappear' than they used to (or "accidents"), but it's still used in this country.

It's better to automate for the large scale stuff, and then pass it over human eyes for the individual targets. For now. They are training the algorithms to take over that part with enough input from the individual practices. Right now, it's only read only for the data. This could change at any time, though.

Google is pretty inferior to the NSA. Even with all there power, they still don't have nearly the amount of computing power or data sources that the NSA has access to.

That clicking when you're on the phone? Doesn't happen anymore, does it? They've really improved their processes and technology. Now, you don't even know when you're being watched and from where.


:D
 
There's a point a'comin :p

Based on your answer I'd lean even harder towards a 'yes'. Care to play further?

If not just ignore this, nothing personal :)
 
I have to agree. :D

No no, nothing like that! I really enjoy reading creepyunclegoogle's posts and would never pull that one. I used something else, but if google doesn't want to play along I won't push.
 
What are you talking about; what happened several years ago related to Amazon's brand new product "Echo"?

I get what you are alluding to with this comment but it does not make sense.

You know how companies like Google, Apple, IBM, et al, tend to force the government to leverage the FISA process before revealing customer information in response to an investigation of potential acts of terrorism? Well, let's just say that the government doesn't need to go through that process so often with Amazon because they freely share that data as part of a complicit partnership.
 
No no, nothing like that! I really enjoy reading creepyunclegoogle's posts and would never pull that one. I used something else, but if google doesn't want to play along I won't push.

I dunno. He left that one way open. I had to take advantage of it!
 
Whee, this thread turned weird while I was gone. :eek:

The NSA can do that, and a lot more. Yes, they target specific people, but those people are selected due to the patterns found with the NSA software. After the software analyzes the incoming data from those users, it flags anything out of the ordinary. If multiple flags are raised for a single individual (and yes, they know your many aliases online), they get more scrutiny. Still doesn't mean they are going to do anything. Not until you do become a threat. Even then, do they have any legally obtained evidence so when you're in court, they can go off that without exposing the illegal operations? They are even more critical on that part lately due to public perception. Less people 'disappear' than they used to (or "accidents"), but it's still used in this country.

It's better to automate for the large scale stuff, and then pass it over human eyes for the individual targets. For now. They are training the algorithms to take over that part with enough input from the individual practices. Right now, it's only read only for the data. This could change at any time, though.

Google is pretty inferior to the NSA. Even with all there power, they still don't have nearly the amount of computing power or data sources that the NSA has access to.

That clicking when you're on the phone? Doesn't happen anymore, does it? They've really improved their processes and technology. Now, you don't even know when you're being watched and from where.


:D

I don't think that the perspective you have on NSA capabilities is very accurate at all. Besides that, they kinda have a job to do, a pretty limited budget to do it with, and they have to keep it on the sneaky-sly so that their methods and tactics aren't broadly known. I think you're vastly overestimating what they can do based on misinformation provided to you by media outlets that need your page views or whatever for ad money combined with the skewing anyone who watches a lot of movies can't help but introduce into their perspective of life.
 
I don't think that the perspective you have on NSA capabilities is very accurate at all. Besides that, they kinda have a job to do, a pretty limited budget to do it with, and they have to keep it on the sneaky-sly so that their methods and tactics aren't broadly known. I think you're vastly overestimating what they can do based on misinformation provided to you by media outlets that need your page views or whatever for ad money combined with the skewing anyone who watches a lot of movies can't help but introduce into their perspective of life.

The media outlets don't even know about this stuff. Did you know about the huge underground data centers throughout the country? That's where they do all their analysis. They are mostly near nuclear ICBM silos and Nike installations so they can be more protected in case of an attack. When the internet goes out, that's when they are tapping into the fiber cables so they can eavesdrop. It uses a lot of older, stolen Soviet technology. That's how we know about it, because they were pissed when they found out we stole it, so they let some people know.

How else would I get an email about buying panties the same day I saw the thread on no panty day in GenMay? Something says they are targeting me because of what I know. They want me to click on that email to look at half naked women so they can track my IP with a Visual Basic GUI application over the firewall.
 
The media outlets don't even know about this stuff. Did you know about the huge underground data centers throughout the country? That's where they do all their analysis. They are mostly near nuclear ICBM silos and Nike installations so they can be more protected in case of an attack. When the internet goes out, that's when they are tapping into the fiber cables so they can eavesdrop. It uses a lot of older, stolen Soviet technology. That's how we know about it, because they were pissed when they found out we stole it, so they let some people know.

How else would I get an email about buying panties the same day I saw the thread on no panty day in GenMay? Something says they are targeting me because of what I know. They want me to click on that email to look at half naked women so they can track my IP with a Visual Basic GUI application over the firewall.

I know right! My cat and I are busy wrapping all the fiber optic cables we can find with tinfoil to keep our email from sneaking out to be seen by all those guys who watch telephone poles through binoculars without even taking off their sunglasses when they do it. Nefariousness!
 
This isn't Skynet.

This is the 'Black Box' from Person of Interest.
 
only the Terrorists will die!
no need to fear monger, unless you are hacking governments and contacting ISIS, Wikileaks, or Julian Assange for leaked documents or downloading so much Porn you gain control of your ISPs full bandwidth
 
The media outlets don't even know about this stuff. Did you know about the huge underground data centers throughout the country? That's where they do all their analysis. They are mostly near nuclear ICBM silos and Nike installations so they can be more protected in case of an attack. When the internet goes out, that's when they are tapping into the fiber cables so they can eavesdrop. It uses a lot of older, stolen Soviet technology. That's how we know about it, because they were pissed when they found out we stole it, so they let some people know.

How else would I get an email about buying panties the same day I saw the thread on no panty day in GenMay? Something says they are targeting me because of what I know. They want me to click on that email to look at half naked women so they can track my IP with a Visual Basic GUI application over the firewall.

Excuse me, but the tappings are non-intrusive. Taking the datastream offline would sort of indicate to the user that something was amiss, yes?

And Soviet technology. I love it.

Just remember kids, It's not just the content of the message, it's the size, origination, destination, and frequency of the message. Nothing better for traffic analysis than bursty communications.
 
This is the 'Black Box' from Person of Interest.

Which to me is scarier than Skynet. At least with Skynet we know our enemy and they aren't walking among us (at least until the T800 series). Skynet is an adversary we can beat. Black box and those that use it? They make it legal and hidden and get people to believe it's for the greater good...
 
Excuse me, but the tappings are non-intrusive. Taking the datastream offline would sort of indicate to the user that something was amiss, yes?

And Soviet technology. I love it.

Just remember kids, It's not just the content of the message, it's the size, origination, destination, and frequency of the message. Nothing better for traffic analysis than bursty communications.

Most people don't realize this, but "tapping" fiber is as simple as putting a mild radius (i.e. a bend) in to it. Every bend causes fiber optic cable to "leak" light as some of it escapes the cladding. It's conceivable that a sensitive enough eavesdropping device has been developed, to capture data on one or more wavelengths of light traveling down a fiber.
 
Most people don't realize this, but "tapping" fiber is as simple as putting a mild radius (i.e. a bend) in to it. Every bend causes fiber optic cable to "leak" light as some of it escapes the cladding. It's conceivable that a sensitive enough eavesdropping device has been developed, to capture data on one or more wavelengths of light traveling down a fiber.

I've heard it was possible, but I didn't know how feasible it would in practice.
 
I've heard it was possible, but I didn't know how feasible it would in practice.

Well, for a couple hundred dollars you can buy a device that clamps on to a fiber and can tell you if there is light present, and which direction it is traveling through the fiber. That's with a mild radius tapping less than 1db worth of signal from the cable. Given an unlimited budget for R&D, it seems perfectly conceivable to me that a device could have been developed to eavesdrop on the data. It makes more sense than cutting the fiber and transparently inserting oneself into the forwarding/propagation path of multiple wavelengths of 10/40/100 gig Ethernet. Seems like an ideal application for a purpose built DSP.
 
Well, for a couple hundred dollars you can buy a device that clamps on to a fiber and can tell you if there is light present, and which direction it is traveling through the fiber. That's with a mild radius tapping less than 1db worth of signal from the cable. Given an unlimited budget for R&D, it seems perfectly conceivable to me that a device could have been developed to eavesdrop on the data. It makes more sense than cutting the fiber and transparently inserting oneself into the forwarding/propagation path of multiple wavelengths of 10/40/100 gig Ethernet. Seems like an ideal application for a purpose built DSP.

I'd have to check for OSI before going too much further, but you're on the right track.
 
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