Fury won't beat 980Ti, much less Titan

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This card is an autobuy for me just because it pays homage to an ATi card. I don't even care that it's evenly matched with the Titan X, as long as it's not going to be priced at some exorbitant bullshit price like $1000.



RIP ATi :(

You're living in the past, babygirl.
 
Dude MS and Sony and Nintendo never invested in AMD, AMD gets royalties from the sale of the console MS and Sony haven't given AMD anything upfront, AMD has put up all the risk on their shoulders when it comes to the APU of these consoles, where actually MS, Sony and Nintendo should share some of that risk to or if not all of it, but AMD went a route of royalties which is very risky.

So you don't know what you are talking about, and yes you are now doing a starwman argument, because you have deflected the original statement you have stated and to cover that up you have added other arguments that we weren't talking about. Yes not everyone is as blind as you might think its easy to see what you have done. You would be a good politician. Fortunate for me your strawman argument is also a fallacy.

It is simple , PS4 and Xbox1 have an AMD APU without it it will not work. You keep ignoring this and you are stating that Sony and MS don't need AMD , then what are they going to use in their PS4 and Xbox1?

So when AMD goes bankrupt tomorrow a "contract" appears which says well thank you AMD well take your chips for free now (does not really sound plausible when your partners are racking in the money, does it?).

And this non stop nonsense you keep writing calling me a good politician , I find that very offensive.

You can not stick to the facts , AMD APU in both consoles , no AMD APU in both consoles and it will not work.
If you have something to say about it show me 5 examples of products where Sony and Microsoft can get comparable performance from and without having to redo the whole SDK.
 
It is simple , PS4 and Xbox1 have an AMD APU without it it will not work. You keoring this and you are stating that Sony and MS don't need AMD , then what are they going to use in their PS4 and Xbox1?

They could have gone to another vendor or made it themselves, they probably are taking advantage of AMD and the situation AMD has been in since the ATi buyout.

So when AMD goes bankrupt tomorrow a "contract" appears which says well thank you AMD well take your chips for free now (does not really sound plausible when your partners are racking in the money, does it?
err yeah have you heard of contract provisions before.

http://www.acc.com/legalresources/quickcounsel/ipliib.cfm

Read up

Actually in a situation like this with IP's tied to hardware, There can be a clause based on bankrupcy that MS and Sony and Nintendo pays AMD a certain amount of money and they buy the chip, if they don't already have the out right rights.

I think you don't understand why or how such things happen because you don't know how hard these companies well any company protects their interests.

And this non stop nonsense you keep writing calling me a good politician , I find that very offensive.
You should take offense I should too because when someone who starts of with comments about consoles markets being billions of dollars and starts pulling other sh*t out that didn't belong in the original argument. Its means to undermine an argument by discrediting facts with fallacies.

You can not stick to the facts , AMD APU in both consoles , no AMD APU in both consoles and it will not work.
yeah ok lol I have been showing you facts even against your strawman statements..... I have not seen you provide even one link or good hypothesis based on financial situation so far. All my comments are counter to your statements, I didn't make any new arguments on my own.

If you have something to say about it show me 5 examples of products where Sony and Microsoft can get comparable performance from and without having to redo the whole SDK.
LOL, just go one generation up in Intel CPU's and the one gen up with the GPU's, ya know what when the PS4 and Xbox one was released next gen cards were already available. Also the SDK would have been done after the OS and and actual hardware was done, so you can't really put the SDK as the egg and the rest as the chicken. And my original statement with the 5 years of console life, I was taking about next gen consoles, MS and Sony already have what they want from AMD that was the design of the chip, they don't need anything more from them because by contract AMD is tied to them as they are to AMD. There has to be bankrupt provisions from both sides in a contract when licensing and IP rights are involved. Its standard practice.



http://www.jonesday.com/impact_of_bankruptcy_on_ip/


another way is that...

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The debtor is usually allowed to continue operating and managing its business as a "debtor in possession" pursuant to sections 1107 and 1108 of the Bankruptcy Code. A debtor in possession in a Chapter 11 case has the same operational rights as a trustee.
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In cases where a debtor in possession is in derogation of its duty to manage its business, however, a trustee can be appointed by the court.
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This sometimes occurs at the request of the creditor's committee, which ordinarily consists of the unsecured creditors that hold the seven largest unsecured claims against the debtor.
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Important activities of the committee include consulting with the debtor in possession on administration of the case, investigating the debtor's conduct and operation of the business, and participating in formulating a plan of reorganization.
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But this is a risk neither MS or Sony would take, I wouldn't if I was using someone else's IP's, I know when the company I worked for licensed the Cry engine we had bankruptcy clauses on both sides,
 
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Doubtful. These "benchmarks" always come out a couple/few weeks prior to the official reviews and are more often than not way off.


The picture underneath coincides with a real benchmark on futuremark's site, they or their source probably has the card.
 
10% faster than an overclocked 980. Are they planning on selling it for $400? Also Crossfire seems to be broken as usual (no ultra bench).

Faster than 980Ti.
CF scales better than Titan X SLI.
Where does it say that CF is broken?

Come back to reality.
 
10% faster than an overclocked 980. Are they planning on selling it for $400? Also Crossfire seems to be broken as usual (no ultra bench).

I am quite curious how will you react if the new cards curbstomp Nvidias lineup?
 
I am quite curious how will you react if the new cards curbstomp Nvidias lineup?

Expect to hear about heat, power consumption, noise (air cooled edition), price. And if everything else fails, drivers.

Did you notice that CF had only 1 test completed and not 2? My guess is drivers as always. :eek:

Has it occurred to you VC couldn't find any leaks in Futuremark's database?
 
If a post is so stupid it doesn't deserve a response, then you really don't need to respond to it...
 
I am quite curious how will you react if the new cards curbstomp Nvidias lineup?
I will sell my skyrocketing AMD stock and buy into Burlington Coat Factory because Hell
would have to be freezing over
 
I will sell my skyrocketing AMD stock and buy into Burlington Coat Factory because Hell
would have to be freezing over

Even a successful GPU launch won't save AMDs stock. My 2.50 shares ain't going nowhere anytime soon. Lets hope for Zen!
 
10% faster than an overclocked 980. Are they planning on selling it for $400? Also Crossfire seems to be broken as usual (no ultra bench).

lol.. the 980ti and TitanX are also 10% faster than an OC'd 980, how much do they sell for again?

You shouldn't throw stones Prime1, specially when you live in giant green glass house
 
I really don't understand fanatics of tech companies that find it necessary to constantly rag on the competition. Without competition, none of the products you buy from your favorite company would exist. Competition drives innovation. Just be glad that AMD is still providing new products, and enjoy the lower prices on NVidia products as a result.
 
I really don't understand fanatics of tech companies that find it necessary to constantly rag on the competition. Without competition, none of the products you buy from your favorite company would exist. Competition drives innovation. Just be glad that AMD is still providing new products, and enjoy the lower prices on NVidia products as a result.
It's much easier to give in to confirmation bias rather than think objectively.
The best part about being decisively on the middle-ground, you get called an AMD fanboy and Nvidia fanboy on alternating days. Everybody hates you equally. I've been called an AMD and Nvidia fanboy, at the same time, in the same thread on Reddit.

It's just the PS4 vs XBO debate in video card form.
Blue vs green... Red vs green...
 
My AMD Lineup Prediction...

$700 - Fury X W/C - Full Fiji w/ 4GB HBM & W/C (beats Titan X @ big OC)
$650 - Fury X Air - Full Fiji w/ 4GB HBM (beats Titan X)
$500 - Fury 'Pro' - Cut Fiji w/ 4GB HBM (destroys 980, closer to 980ti)
$390 - r9 390x - Enhanced Hawaii/Granada w/ 8GB (980 competitor)
$330 - r9 390 - Cut Hawaii/Granada w/ 8GB (beats 970, closer to 980)
$250 - r9 380 - Full Tonga w/ 4GB (destroys 960, closer to 970)
$200 - r9 380 - Full Tonga w/ 2GB (destroys 960)

I expect 390x/390 will comprise of a Hawaii 'XTX' and a Hawaii XT (390x from XT to XTX, and 390 from Pro to XT). For example, I expect a 390(non-x) will beat a 290x and run similar specs... On goflo for better efficiency, allowing for a clock bump with lower power/thermals...

The 380 I expect to be a Full Tonga XT (over 285s Tonga Pro) with 2 or 4 GB like the m295x (not 3 or 6GB as is speculated to be needed to represent a Tonga XT)... Also on goflo, allowing for a clock bump with lower power/thermals...

And I still expect a Fiji VR card with 2 GPUs sometime in the future!
 
I wonder if a dual Fiji card would both require water cooling and if a single 120mm rad would be enough, or if it would expand to a larger size rad.
 
I wonder if a dual Fiji card would both require water cooling and if a single 120mm rad would be enough, or if it would expand to a larger size rad.
295X2 was a single 120mm radiator, so assuming Fiji is roughly the same power envelope they will likely keep it with a 120mm rad. Using a 240 would probably cost them sales from people who can't fit another radiator in their case.
 
295X2 was a single 120mm radiator, so assuming Fiji is roughly the same power envelope they will likely keep it with a 120mm rad. Using a 240 would probably cost them sales from people who can't fit another radiator in their case.

No, Fiji uses less power than 295X2.
 
I wonder if a dual Fiji card would both require water cooling and if a single 120mm rad would be enough, or if it would expand to a larger size rad.

If you run a single 120 rad, chances are you will need dual fans to keep it cool. A single 120mm is sufficient for 295X2 but dual fiji is likely to consume more power than a single 295x2 so you will need a thick 120mm rad and 2 fans.
 
If you run a single 120 rad, chances are you will need dual fans to keep it cool. A single 120mm is sufficient for 295X2 but dual fiji is likely to consume more power than a single 295x2 so you will need a thick 120mm rad and 2 fans.

Do you just pull shit out of thin air and go with it? Its like people make shit up as they go and stick with it.


Fiji top end Nano/XT model tops out at 300 watts, 10w more than 290x while being 55% faster than a 290x from what we've seen. So if you do the math, a dual Fiji will come in at the same level as 295x2 while being almost 100% faster. 295 consumes 600watts of power give or take...
 
Wasn't it you who posted an article from Extremetech in the 390X thread that said the HBM shortage was a myth?

In any case, according to Lisa Su the decision to go with HBM was made 18 months ago, and there are no "production or technology limitations".

Both AMD and Nvidia, among others, have talked about and been working on implementations of stacked memory architectures, but AMD will be the first to ship. Lisa Su said that it's been in development for a long time, and the decision to put it into production now was predicated on both the necessity and fit for a high-end graphics part, and because the volume shipments expected with the new GPU should help push HBM down the cost curve so that it's applicable to other implementations and products. Surprisingly, AMD made this decision 18 months ago, Su told us.

Su would not comment on when we would see other HBM implementations, nor on which products, but she said that there are neither production nor technology limitations, just decisions to be made "based on the company's overall product roadmap, and individual market decisions." AMD has said that there would eventually be an APU with a high-bandwidth memory implementation. It just hasn't said when.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/am...7.html?&_suid=1434062169414021688417144847033
 
With limited supply it could be equal to the 980 ti and still sell out at 850$ for all the freesync and amd fanboys.

You really believe there are anywhere near 30,000 fanbois left?
 
I agree, but in that case 30,000 really wouldn't be limited supply would it?

Btw found TS's post about the Extremetech article:

On HBM:

Costs and HBM

One persistent rumor we’ve heard about HBM yields and costs, we can thankfully debunk. It’s been bandied about that AMD would face a crippling cost structure in the wake of the GTX 980 Ti’s debut a few weeks ago, due to poor yields or costs for High Bandwidth Memory (HBM). In reality, HBM has been on sale for quite some time, as evidenced in this memory databook from Hynix, which was released in Q3 2014. It shows two types of HBM as already available — a 128GB/s, 1.0Gbps component and a 128GB/s, 0.8Gbps component, both already available in the same 4Hi stack that AMD is using for Fiji.

Now, obviously we don’t know what kind of premium Hynix is charging for HBM, but the fact that the memory has been available for nine months now points to strong yields. Rumors we’ve heard from other sources indicate AMD is planning an aggressive launch around this card, with a great deal of stock on-hand. Some aspects of HBM’s design should actually make it cheaper than GDDR5 in the long term. AMD also isn’t likely paying Hynix for DRAM by the wafer, but would instead be buying known-good die, limiting the impact of yield issues if they existed.

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/207922-price-positioning-details-leak-on-amds-upcoming-radeon-fury

Surprised about the "aggressive launch with a great deal of stock" because we've been hearing the exact opposite...

So now we have contradictory rumors, as well as the CEO's statement that also directly contradicts the TT article lol
 
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Too bad Freesync is such garbage. I might actually want to go back to AMD for cheap performance but G-sync and timely driver releases have me spoiled. :D
 
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