Fury won't beat 980Ti, much less Titan

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It seems gamers waiting for Fury will be dissapointed.

According to Guru3d AMD is still struggling to squeeze more performance from Fury as it won't be able to beat the 980Ti

AMD currently seems to be struggling with performance as they had aimed to be slightly faster than a GTX 980 Ti. The development costs for this GPU are high and apparently it performs around the GeForce GTX 980 Ti, some partners indicated that the performance might acually be a notch lower.
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http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/computex_2015_exclusive_amd_fiji_gpu_die_photo.html
 
All rumor at this point. How accurate has guru3d been in the past?
 
Until the reviews are out or AMD specifically says it, its all rumor.
 
Yeah, then they put a disclaimer on it to take it with a grain of salt.

click bait.
 
look. If it wont beat a 980ti... price it at 399 and ill go buy it over a 980ti lol
 
It's an AMD product, what did you expect? The same company rebrands old GPUs, over promises and under delivers year after year.
 
All this time AMD has had to develop something to beat Nvidia and watch them come up short. Nvidia had released two cards since the 290x and 3 quarters of AMD's new product family is rebrands. It's sad if AMD does not win this round. No excuses since it's been two years. I'm waiting for the reviews but unless the AMD card is $100 less for 90% of the performance, then I'm going Nvidia this time. I'll take this with a grain of salt. You never know. Maybe AMD will surprise us.
 
pliskin679 said:
look. If it wont beat a 980ti... price it at 399 and ill go buy it over a 980ti lol
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Since we're on the rumor train, I'll say that Fury X with 8GB HBM has been rumored to cost $849. Coincidentally, the same price the 980 Ti was rumored to be not two weeks ago.
 
SkeL said:
All rumor at this point. How accurate has guru3d been in the past?
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All suspicious at this point. How do we continue to give the benefit of the doubt to companies because the GPU/Game hasn't been released?
There are FUD rumors and controlled rumors. The absence of controlled rumors is deafening.

We know it's not faster than the Titan X, so that right there should make us turn the page on this gen of AMD cards.
The era of $1000 gpus continues.
 
If the fury xt is only 4gb, that's a hard pass if it's like $600. I'm not spending that kind of money on a 4gb card when Nvidia has a 6gb card for almost the same price. I just don't think 4gb will be enough considering the games coming out in the coming years.
 
From the initial Titan Killer to sub 980Ti doesn't bode well for AMD.
 
WorldExclusive said:
All suspicious at this point. How do we continue to give the benefit of the doubt to companies because the GPU/Game hasn't been released?
There are FUD rumors and controlled rumors. The absence of controlled rumors is deafening.

We know it's not faster than the Titan X, so that right there should make us turn the page on this gen of AMD cards.
The era of $1000 gpus continues.
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We don't know that it's slower than Titan X, there's no way to be sure until it's been tested by reviewers.. Honestly it's starting to seem that way though.
 
darkangelamd said:
We don't know that it's slower than Titan X, there's no way to be sure until it's been tested by reviewers.. Honestly it's starting to seem that way though.
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It if was faster and we knew Nvidia was going to release the Ti, they could have leaked a slide with performance numbers that shows it can beat a Titan X.
Right there, AMD would have placed a hold on Ti sales. But they didn't, so all of the people that had their money ready has purchased a Ti.
Now AMD will only have the price sensitive crowd to buy their product, crying about if it was $50-100 cheaper they would buy it, but now they rather wait for some unannounced future card.

Nvidia knows how to separate it's fans form their money.
 
thats your opinion

it is in no way shape or form a fact.

When a review is done and shows the performance, then there will be facts.
 
I'm starting to think AMD will never beat Nvidia and we'll have to live with over gouged video card pricing forever. Thanks AMD for totally sucking as a company. Only striving to be second best and let's Nvidia take the cake e every time. AMD better price this cards very well or they are done! AMD is nothing but a let down every GD time!
 
Nvidia has their own "Titan Killer" waiting to be released...
 
The silence is deafening. 980ti launches and not even a leaked benchmark. I'm racking my brain and can't think of one good reason why AMD would hold out another 2 weeks unless the Fury is a flop. Maybe if the 980ti wasn't actually being sold in stores at the moment then the extra 2 weeks of suspense buildup might make sense, but why give your competitor an open field without any attempt to persuade them to double think their purchase.

What if the performance is better or equal to Titan x but the added cost of HBM doesn't allow AMD to price it competitively and the pricing of the 980ti caught them flat footed?
 
Stoly said:
From the initial Titan Killer to sub 980Ti doesn't bode well for AMD.
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My guess is that Guru3D just took some speculation posted by the Dutch site hardware.info . But would you mind posting all those official press releases from AMD where they already killed the titan x.

i'm sure that this bodes well for Nvidia they are cannibalizing their Titan X sales and for what exactly ?
 
or unless its a monster.

you can view it wither way.

its all just guesses until we see a review.
 
Armenius said:
Since we're on the rumor train, I'll say that Fury X with 8GB HBM has been rumored to cost $849. Coincidentally, the same price the 980 Ti was rumored to be not two weeks ago.
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lol I see what you did there (wccftech ftw).
 
I don't know about that, my buddy Steve told me the new AMD card will be called the Rage Fury MAXX Extreme X and have 16GB of HBM and be 4x as fast as a Titan X.
 
Pieter3dnow said:
My guess is that Guru3D just took some speculation posted by the Dutch site hardware.info . But would you mind posting all those official press releases from AMD where they already killed the titan x.

i'm sure that this bodes well for Nvidia they are cannibalizing their Titan X sales and for what exactly ?
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Cannibalizing? Titan is a niche product and not to be sold in high volumes.

Nvidia did a great job giving a $1,000 card performance for ''just'' $650. They made it sound like its a bargain.
 
lol now Guru3D is also regurgitating an old story

I bet if we see more "Fury will be slower than 980 Ti" rumors crop up in the next 10 days, it can all ultimately be traced to that HardwareLuxx article.
 
tangoseal said:
This thread is so chock full of fan boys it lost appeal 13 post ago lol...
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I know right, the hypocrisy in this thread is ridiculous. Then people here have the nerve to blame AMD for Nvidia's price-gouging, let alone cast aside Nvidia's past history and call out AMD for rebranding. What a joke.

I'm pretty sure the reason why all these fanboys want Fury to "succeed" is so Nvidia will lower their prices and they in turn can buy their precious Nvidia cards.
 
What makes more sense from Nvidia's perspective? Either:

a.) If they feel that the 980Ti isn't competitive with AMD's top-tier card, they release it ASAP in an attempt to sell as many as possible before it's too late.

b.) If they are confident that the 980Ti is clearly superior, they wait until just a few days before AMD launches their card to COMPLETELY upstage the Radeon.

I realize that some people are ready to buy something, and there is money to be made, but if I'm Nvidia, and I feel I've got the upper-hand, it sure seems like waiting until just before AMD is ready to launch would be the way to go.

I'm not interested in buying either, but if Nvidia knows it really does have the better card this time around it seems a little odd to me that they would release it now.
 
Nirad9er said:
If the fury xt is only 4gb, that's a hard pass if it's like $600. I'm not spending that kind of money on a 4gb card when Nvidia has a 6gb card for almost the same price. I just don't think 4gb will be enough considering the games coming out in the coming years.
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That's like buying a card with 4GB of DDR2, thinking it will be better than 2GB DDR5.

More is always better right?
 
My Speculation...

Fury X beats Titan X.
Fury loses to 980ti.
390x beats 980 (close to 980ti).
390 beats 980.
380 beats 970.

griff30 said:
That's like buying a card with 4GB of DDR2, thinking it will be better than 2GB DDR5.

More is always better right?
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lol, exactly...

EVERYONE here posting "4gb isn't enough compared to 6gb" wouldn't have hesitated to suggest a 2GB gddr5 card over a 4GB ddr3 card on the same GPU.

This 6gb gddr5 > 4gb HBM crap is just pure fanboyism at this point.

We will see what the memory bandwidth does soon enough, there is a reason they put 12GB on a Titan X to extend the last lifeline of gddr5.
 
ROShay said:
I realize that some people are ready to buy something, and there is money to be made, but if I'm Nvidia, and I feel I've got the upper-hand, it sure seems like waiting until just before AMD is ready to launch would be the way to go.

I'm not interested in buying either, but if Nvidia knows it really does have the better card this time around it seems a little odd to me that they would release it now.
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Nvidia probably wasn't sure when AMD was going to announce it. Computex or E3.
AMD could have announced it at Computex and then the Ti would have came afterwards.

Nvidia doesn't have a chance to grab the headlines during E3, so it was probably best to do it now.

jamesgalb said:
My Speculation...

Fury X beats Titan X.
Fury loses to 980ti.
390x beats 980 (close to 980ti).
390 beats 980.
380 beats 970.
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That would be great TBH. Pascal will come by March on 28nm if so.
Nvidia wouldn't bother waiting for a new node.
 
The delay alone is enough to kill AMD. They are in a really tough position. Furry or whatever they are calling their new card would need to be 20% faster than Titan X and cost $599. That's simply the cost of coming to market late. Combine that with not being able to launch a full product line and trying to sell old chips as new and it's the perfect storm.

No matter how well or poorly Fiji performs, 1 niche chip and a bunch of rebadges will not gain any market share.
 
PRIME1 said:
The delay alone is enough to kill AMD. They are in a really tough position. Furry or whatever they are calling their new card would need to be 20% faster than Titan X and cost $599. That's simply the cost of coming to market late. Combine that with not being able to launch a full product line and trying to sell old chips as new and it's the perfect storm.

No matter how well or poorly Fiji performs, 1 niche chip and a bunch of rebadges will not gain any market share.
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Agreed.

As much as I think AMD will win this round from a performance AND price stand-point... TIMING IS EVERYTHING.

NVidia has scooped up so much of the money on the table at this point, that AMD is going to have a hard time getting anything no matter how well they do.
 
PRIME1 said:
The delay alone is enough to kill AMD. They are in a really tough position. Furry or whatever they are calling their new card would need to be 20% faster than Titan X and cost $599. That's simply the cost of coming to market late. Combine that with not being able to launch a full product line and trying to sell old chips as new and it's the perfect storm.

No matter how well or poorly Fiji performs, 1 niche chip and a bunch of rebadges will not gain any market share.
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I swear, this thread.

Nvidia does the same thing.

The launch of a niche highend product is not going to kill, or make a company.

AMD not having a solid product line under the highend products is whats going to do them in.
 
Cool Vibrations said:
I'm pretty sure the reason why all these fanboys want Fury to "succeed" is so Nvidia will lower their prices and they in turn can buy their precious Nvidia cards.
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some of us actually want the Fury to succeed because we would prefer to fork over our hard earned cash to a company that isn't hell bent on proprietary tech and squeezing every last cent from their customer base, but AMD is making it extremely difficult right now. This is the last straw for alot of us if this launch turns out to be another Bulldozer. AMD could easily squash all these negative rumors and put an end to these type of threads if they only released some sort of performance leaks instead of more of the same bold claims without any 'real' data to back it up.
 
SkeL said:
All rumor at this point. How accurate has guru3d been in the past?
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The boys at Guru are pretty grounded.
They don't tend to spread bullshit.

I go there a lot to get GPU reviews and such after I look here first.

They suck at PSU reviews, but their GPU and MB reviews are ok. They don't tend to go as in-depth on overclocking as the guys do here though.
 
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