I'd like to know that, as well. Philips BDM4065UC has cold colors, owners said
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I'd like to know that, as well. Philips BDM4065UC has cold colors, owners said
If you sit close enough to a large panel, the edges and corners of the panel will be at an angle.
Others have reported turning off SmartHub and Instant On fixes the lag. I have noticed this as well on mine. But if you're worried, just don't update the firmware.
If you read through the thread you will find that owners have very favorable impressions of the colors.
No I meant Samsung owners have favorable impressions of the color. I don't have the Phillips so I can't say one way or the other, but if you read through that thread, there are other issues than just colors alone.
Its pointless to ask opinion on which is better because most don't own both. However, read both threads and you should come up with a very obvious conclusion.
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My final take on the input lag on this tv is that if your really sensitive to it, opt for a gaming monitor. In the end this is still a tv, I think overall we are looking at 50-60ms input lag for 4k. Going from this tv to my Samsung S27C750P monitor that has 9ms of input is a large difference but I am sensitive to input lag.
If you play on the 4k Samsung and the lag doesnt bother you... dont go looking for it, dont try finding it and just enjoy the display because in the end it is an awsome, awsome display.
Whether Samsung fixes the lag going forward in a firmware update... I wouldn't hold my breath on that and sadly those who already updated the firmware cant go back.
I agree with you. Good advice for those crying about input lag. Buy something else or just don't update the firmware from stock if you do buy and you're sensitive to lag.
Having said that, I believe that since the stock firmware has no lag in 4K, and the fact that the new firmware actually decreased input lag in game mode (on 1080P), it tells me (1) Samsung is proactively lowering the lag for game mode, and (2) 4K is not more inherently lagggy than 1080P. Therefore, it's a bug in the firmware. With my F8500, the firmware kept coming out for up to a year. There were improvements in input lag as well as image quality on that one. The F8500 was notorious for having high input lag for gaming initially but improved over time. I had no issue using it as my permanent PS4 display.
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Yes, hopefully they fix it... I really do
Never seen a display this nice before... everything about is top notch except the current input lag in 4k. No other complaints... NONE.
I'm sensitive to input lag , however with PC mode and everything off (SmartHub, InstantOn, all the other features, etc.) it actually isn't that bad. I'm definitely enjoying it more now.
Getting full 4:4:4 chroma now and everything looks great. Just got that annoying hdmi black level issue, where I have to keep putting it back to Normal instead of Auto. other than that I think it does a great job as a monitor. Also trying to see what I should do about the hot pixel on my panel, i honestly keep forgetting about it until the screen is completely black.
Getting full 4:4:4 chroma now and everything looks great. Just got that annoying hdmi black level issue, where I have to keep putting it back to Normal instead of Auto. other than that I think it does a great job as a monitor. Also trying to see what I should do about the hot pixel on my panel, i honestly keep forgetting about it until the screen is completely black.
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If you set the color to YcBcr444 in NVCP, it will always be set to normal. It doesn't limit the RGB range either - still 0-255. It may even be better since the TV is designed around YcBcr content.
I still haven't gotten around to doing any more tests yet... I'll try to before I goto DC next week. I have noticed something strange where sometimes the display goes down to 59 Hz in Windows... might be from all the overclock testing and BIOS flashing I've done to my GPUs (lot of crashing right now). When it does this, input lag goes up noticeably for some reason. 60 Hz fixes it immediately.
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I don't know how many of you watch a lot of HD media on your computer. I have never done a lot as the black level on IPS is usually so bad that if you watch any video with dark scenes, You have to really turn up the contrast and brightness to get any detail in the dark area (basically your black is now dark grey) and then the rest of the picture is approaching wash out level or the bright scene will be too bright and start causing eye fatigue. A good example would be Pacific Rim and Thor the Dark World as both movie have a lot of dark scene. So basically, I just watch those on the 60" plasma in the living room.
Well, after watching some TV, Netflix and Amazon 4K streaming on the Samsung. I'm quite impressed with the details in the dark area and the deeper black so I took out my Thor TDW BD and give it a try. The improvement compared to an IPS is quite impressive. although I still have to turn brightness up from 35 to 40 (but Black is still Black). I can actually see a lot of detail in the final fight when there is a lot of dark particles swerving around. I have to run it on the plasma later and compare but I think the Samsung is just as good as the big LG plasma now which is really impressive.
Well, after watching some TV, Netflix and Amazon 4K streaming on the Samsung. I'm quite impressed with the details in the dark area and the deeper black so I took out my Thor TDW BD and give it a try. The improvement compared to an IPS is quite impressive. although I still have to turn brightness up from 35 to 40 (but Black is still Black). I can actually see a lot of detail in the final fight when there is a lot of dark particles swerving around. I have to run it on the plasma later and compare but I think the Samsung is just as good as the big LG plasma now which is really impressive.
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If you set the color to YcBcr444 in NVCP, it will always be set to normal. It doesn't limit the RGB range either - still 0-255. It may even be better since the TV is designed around YcBcr content.
I still haven't gotten around to doing any more tests yet... I'll try to before I goto DC next week. I have noticed something strange where sometimes the display goes down to 59 Hz in Windows... might be from all the overclock testing and BIOS flashing I've done to my GPUs (lot of crashing right now). When it does this, input lag goes up noticeably for some reason. 60 Hz fixes it immediately.
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Let us know what dvi/pc on input 2 looks like with instant on as off if you get the chance. Thank you!!
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Wow! Your TV is closer to you than mine was.
I couldn't stand it. You must be pretty tall.
I have the UN40JU6700 , 40" Curved 6700 model.
That's another issue, each time I try to select YcBcr444 in the nVidia control panel and click apply, the screen goes black for a few seconds, then it's back to the RGB setting. For some reason the YcBcr setting won't apply.
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Tell your gfx card to output ycbcr not rgb.
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Me too after completely reading both threads: in my eyes the Phillips is the better PC display.
+ Much higher static contrast
+ Much darker black
+ PWM-frequency is twice as high than the 6series
+ 4:4:4 chroma with a much lower input lag
+ DP 1.2a instead of HDMI 2.0
+ No increasing input lag when you switch modes
+ A lot cheaper (in Europe)
+ No fiddeling with firmwares
+ It is meant as a PC display and works out of the box like a PC display
+ No waiting for things getting fixed in the future
o One has to adjust the colors
- Some report weird artefacts under certain conditions
- One has to wait a long time in line to get it
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Yep, and even with all that I chose the 48" 7500, by a wide wide margin when evaluating the two. And the 7500 actually costs significantly more than the Philips. It wasn't even close actually, surprisingly so.
I must be crazy I guess.
#bliss
Then you have surely read this post from Cyph..
To me, most of your points seem vague, irrelevant or simply invalid.. First two points look like BS... DP vs HDMI, whatever, I don't care. Since when are the regular FW updates a bad thing? Philips is also not cheaper in Europe, despite being longer on the market, as you can get a flat version of Samsung (model 6400) for 700-750€, which is the same as Philips... Not to mention the availability of the curved version, which to me is a huge bonus.
Philips perhaps has a bit lower input lag, but that's just about it, I believe.
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Hold on... Why is everyone using input 2??? Input one is made for DVI no? I thought you had better input lag on 1?
Has everyone tried 1 vs 2?
Has everyone tried 1 vs 2?
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LOL, I love lists because people can add useless "advantages" of one product while conveniently leaving out flaws, in order to see what they want to see.
It's your money, man. I don't care which one you buy, but that list needs some work to be valid.
6 series, PC and UHD only work on input 1. 7 series, PC and UHD work on all inputs.
Edit: Been playing Witcher 2 today on PC mode. Awesome color, and clarity, noticed no lag or ghosting whatsoever. Best "monitor" I've ever owned.
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If it's not too much trouble, can you post a pic of some text or websites on your Sammy? I've not been able to find any pics/video of text on a 6700 or 7500.
This is from my 40" JU6700
Auto focus had problem with the closeup so I have to go manual while handheld. might be able to get it a bit sharper with a tripod but too lazy to break that out.
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Nice. Looks sharp and readable. I work with documents all day, so clear text is vital.
Thanks for taking the time to do that!!
With the glossy coating the text is tac sharp 7500! Going to my 1440p 27 inch with a semi gloss (about same PPI) the Sammy 40 inch looks way sharper! Glass clear in person! The 6700 has more of a semigloss I believe. But it is clear!!!!
I know these settings depends on a lot of environmental factors but was just wondering what you guys are using.
Current setting I use with the shades closed on the window.
Backlight 12
Contrast 85
Brightness 40
Sharpness 45
If I turn off the room light in the evening, I drop to Backlight 11 and Brightness 35
Current setting I use with the shades closed on the window.
Backlight 12
Contrast 85
Brightness 40
Sharpness 45
If I turn off the room light in the evening, I drop to Backlight 11 and Brightness 35
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You should leave brightness alone and set the eco sensor on with minimum backlight at the minimum you will tolerate. I set mine at minimum 5 but you can set yours at 11 or 10. It's much easier than manually setting it twice a day.I like my panel contrasty so I leave mine at 95 then kick NVidia contrast level up to 60 as well. Everything just looks better. It screws with my photo editing, but since I only edit for online sharing, colors will never match anyway as most people have cheap TN monitors.
Thanks for the tip. Got it set at 10, will see how it works in the next couple days. Good that's it's the weekend so I get to see it in a lot of different lighting condition.
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I'm really happy with the semi gloss finish as my glossy 2720MDP have reflection problem during bright daylight hours even with the window blinds in closed position. This is much better and still looks better than the anti glare on the Acer B326Hk (which actually looks very good for a monitor with anti glare coating and nowhere as bad as some of the Dell that I had).
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Am I crazy for considering a 55-65 inch? I want something I can use as a TV as well. Those are the only ones that are on sale, too, at the moment.
Of course you're not crazy. Don't listen to the limp-necks in this thread when it comes to size, these little ladies get alllllllll up in a tizzy just from the thought of anything above 40"...
I have the 48", and am now wondering if I should have gone larger. That's at a 30-inch view distance btw, and no my eyeballs haven't burned out, my back hasn't developed scoliosis, my neck isn't stretching like an African ring tribe initiation, and the overall adjustment/transition was fast.
It's shrinking by the day lately...is it larger than my old Dell 30"? I'm not sure anymore...by the end of the month I may believe it's smaller than the old Dell....
Go as big as is comfortable for you, and as others have said, get your chair/desk/eye height right and you won't even notice the height.
Of course you're not crazy. Don't listen to the limp-necks in this thread when it comes to size, these little ladies get alllllllll up in a tizzy just from the thought of anything above 40"...
Go as big as is comfortable for you, and as others have said, get your chair/desk/eye height right and you won't even notice the height.
Thinking in this way you can hang 85" 4K TV on a wall and tell this is your monitor. But it is not, monitor is something which is at your private viewing distance. Reason also tells not to neglect potential health problems in particular for those who make living from staring in the monitor. When ergonomy recommends upper edge of the display not far from eye level there is research behind it.
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I had a 50" JU6500 that I sold last week. New owner loves it.
BUT ......... 50" is a tad too big, for me and I suspect most others. I was about 3 1/2 + pushing 4' from it and it was still a bit too much.
I honestly think the best size to get is 48" curved.
BUT ......... 50" is a tad too big, for me and I suspect most others. I was about 3 1/2 + pushing 4' from it and it was still a bit too much.
I honestly think the best size to get is 48" curved.
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Don't mind him; I see the village idiot got out again. Same guy that uses hashtags (lol) and ignores everyone who doesn't agree with him. I tried having a friendly debate, proved him wrong, and he went psycho.
There is a reason why 99% of the people in this thread opted for the 40"-48"...anything larger is pushing it IMO, but may be manageable depending on your setup. So yeah, there might be someone here and there with the 55", but like 6FD said...for most people that's too large for a PC monitor and they'll be better served by the 40"-48".
SlippinJimmy, I can understand you wanting to go larger if it's going to serve double duty as a TV. How far away from it will you sit when using it as a monitor?
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If you cannot lower the TV or lean back to get the height right, you have a point.
But the definition of a monitor isnt right, any display is a monitor.
With a 4K screen you have to have it close enough to read the text so there is less wiggle room with height.
With 1080p you can have it further away which reduces the amount you have to look up.
Ultimately the size doesnt matter if you can put the TV far enough away and at the right height.
An 85" TV user can push the TV further away and lower it a bit to compensate.
Or use it from a sofa and lean back a little on cushions instead of lowering it.
The further away the TV is the better if you can position it right, larger TVs are easier on the eye when set up well.
If you place it on a desk, you will be size limited.
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Is there not an inherent contradiction in the idea that the bigger the monitor, the farther away from it you must sit in order to use it comfortably for computer work? Seems there has to be a point of diminishing returns at which too big ends up being too far away.
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No contradiction.
Something will always limit the size you can use.
Its realising what those limits are.
Something will always limit the size you can use.
Its realising what those limits are.