New Samsung 4k for everyone.

You see it in RTS/strategy. Starcraft was the game I noticed it on. With RTS, you have to quickly pan the screen back and forth. It's a doozy.

If it's mostly showing up in RTS, the effect is likely PWM multi-image rather than blur. The 7500 is no better than the 6x00 in that regard as seen on rtings motion pic, both illuminate at 120hz with 60hz image.
 
Yeah, but the difference between the two meats is not $450.
I'll come back when the blur/ghosting convo calms down. Hopefully by post 2500.

I have been following both this thread and the Phillips thread very closely. At first EVERYONE on the Phillips thread LOVED it without any criticism. Then the complaints starting coming in. Same trend is happening here now.
 
If it's mostly showing up in RTS, the effect is likely PWM multi-image rather than blur.

No. Wrong again.

I have been following both this thread and the Phillips thread very closely. At first EVERYONE on the Phillips thread LOVED it without any criticism. Then the complaints starting coming in. Same trend is happening here now.

Some of us went in with full realization we'd possibly be returning the monitor, and bought from the best place(s) to honor returns.
I immediately noticed it's shortcomings the second I powered it on. I think the 4K + size factor gives some initial wonderment for everyone, of course.
 
I have been following both this thread and the Phillips thread very closely. At first EVERYONE on the Phillips thread LOVED it without any criticism. Then the complaints starting coming in. Same trend is happening here now.

So you're saying that when people use a product long enough, they are able to discover all of the details that weren't initially apparent? What a startling revelation.

At least here, the flaws don't seem nearly as bad as on the Philips. Ghost lines on the edges of windows, burn in, etc.
 
If it's mostly showing up in RTS, the effect is likely PWM multi-image rather than blur. The 7500 is no better than the 6x00 in that regard as seen on rtings motion pic, both illuminate at 120hz with 60hz image.

There you go again telling me I have no idea what I'm seeing and that my eyes are wrong. You are making conclusions based on a review and pictures that have no bearing on gaming whatsoever.
 
No. Wrong again.

I'm simply going by what Cyph claims. If you play RTS a certain way, motion tracking is somewhat more of an issue than FPS.

BTW, you of all people claim that 20 brightness "almost gets rid of pwm" when no pwm should be visible at 20, and claim the 7500 almost gets rid of blur when no blur is visible in test pics (vs quite low on 6700).

Let's talk about PWM motion artifacts because it's a topic that's quite revealing of the enthusiast community. Pointedly, the same artifacts are present in any non-blurred CG animation, built into the source. So instead of 120hz stutteriness, you get similar 60hz or whatever stutteriness with less than perfect eye tracking with is most cases. The reason it's not visible on these test images is that they time the camera shutter to less than one frame (or track the motion absolutely perfectly). That artifact is revealed in the static photo Cyph took of more than 1 frame in starcraft: all displays true to the source will have that multi-image type persistence when moving around.

Again, said enthusiasts are trained to look for a certain aesthetic as desirable (and worthy of $) without really understanding what much of it means, mostly by marketing for who it's a profession. The same is true for most pursuits, eg cars, wine, etc.
 
So you're saying that when people use a product long enough, they are able to discover all of the details that weren't initially apparent? What a startling revelation.

Maybe people should use a product long enough before posting reviews. What a startling thought.
At least here, the flaws don't seem nearly as bad as on the Philips. Ghost lines on the edges of windows, burn in, etc.
The people on that thread say the opposite. Higher PWM, better contrast, lower lag, etc.
 
Agent00F, you have no idea WTF you are talking about. Serious.

It has already been proven that PWM still exists at level 20 brightness. Can you not read? I believe Ziran proved this way early on in the thread. No blur in test pics?? WTH are you talking about? The 7500 still has ghosting, but significantly less ghosting than the 6700. Ghosting on the 7500 is still clearly visible in the review UFO pictures.

Go re-read the thread, be amazed at your wrongness. And PLEASE STOP TROLLING this thread.
 
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Maybe people should use a product long enough before posting reviews. What a startling thought.

The people on that thread say the opposite. Higher PWM, better contrast, lower lag, etc.

Everyone here should know that no panel is perfect. You just have to research the product and decide what compromises you can live with. For me, I'm not willing to live with ghost lines shooting all across the display during normal desktop use and the other flaws of the Philips. Even with the things that you're talking about that have been discovered on the Samsung, namely ghosting on the 6xxx series, I could keep it forever and be happy. And the 7xxx series is supposed to be even better. Also, Samsung has steadily improved these displays through firmware updates, while Philips hasn't done jack squat to improve the BDM4065's flaws as far as I'm aware.
 
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Eh, that stinks as I was hoping you could aid me in some comparos but it's understandable that you want to avoid the hassle of returning it. :) I only have an iPhone 6 and will do the best I can, but the more equipment we can capture results on, the better.

Well, I'm sort of relying on you in a way... if you can note any positive differences on the side of the 6700, I will likely go ahead and order that too just to compare. Maybe it's not worth the $450 price difference!

But everything I've seen online points otherwise. Especially for TV/movie viewing... As described on AVS, the 6000 series is a "barebones" TV (60 Hz panel, 120 Hz PWM) whereas the 7000 series (120 Hz panel for sure, 240 Hz PWM - correct?) is the high-end before hitting the SUHD category.
 
Well, I'm sort of relying on you in a way... if you can note any positive differences on the side of the 6700, I will likely go ahead and order that too just to compare. Maybe it's not worth the $450 price difference!

But everything I've seen online points otherwise. Especially for TV/movie viewing... As described on AVS, the 6000 series is a "barebones" TV (60 Hz panel, 120 Hz PWM) whereas the 7000 series (120 Hz panel for sure, 240 Hz PWM - correct?) is the high-end before hitting the SUHD category.

The 7500 has a PWM freq. of 120hz - just like the 6700.
 
The 7500 has a PWM freq. of 120hz - just like the 6700.

Interesting since the panel is 120 Hz. I was looking everywhere for that figure, but couldn't find it.

How exactly does that work with the brightness levels? For a dimmer picture, doesn't it increase in Hz? So at full brightness, it'll be a much lower frequency - any guess as to what it is? It should be non-existent ... but Samsung felt otherwise.
 
So what's new on 1207 firmware on the 6700 displays? Does Game Mode now support 4:2:2?

For some reason my TV can no longer update firmware from the internet, so I better hope they keep posting them on the website.:)
 
Interesting since the panel is 120 Hz. I was looking everywhere for that figure, but couldn't find it.

How exactly does that work with the brightness levels? For a dimmer picture, doesn't it increase in Hz? So at full brightness, it'll be a much lower frequency - any guess as to what it is? It should be non-existent ... but Samsung felt otherwise.

It's always a set frequency, no matter the brightness.

Read this excellent article on PWM:

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/pulse_width_modulation.htm

So what's new on 1207 firmware on the 6700 displays? Does Game Mode now support 4:2:2?

For some reason my TV can no longer update firmware from the internet, so I better hope they keep posting them on the website.:)

Yes.
 
Maybe people should use a product long enough before posting reviews. What a startling thought.

The people on that thread say the opposite. Higher PWM, better contrast, lower lag, etc.

Let's talk about PWM motion artifacts because it's a topic that's quite revealing of the enthusiast community. Pointedly, the same artifacts are present in any non-blurred CG animation, built into the source. So instead of 120hz stutteriness, you get similar 60hz or whatever stutteriness with less than perfect eye tracking with is most cases. The reason it's not visible on these test images is that they time the camera shutter to less than one frame (or track the motion absolutely perfectly). That artifact is revealed in the static photo Cyph took of more than 1 frame in starcraft: all displays true to the source will have that multi-image type persistence when moving around.

The picture I posted was for the 7100, which I have absolutely NO issue with. The one I had issue with was the 6700 which was not posted. Let me clarify. I love my 7100. I also loved my 6700 other than the ghosting issue. We are not complaining, just listing pros and cons for others who may be interested in these same panels. If I couldn't afford the extra 380 I paid to upgrade to the 7100, I would have been very happy with the 6700 because these are the best "monitors" with the least compromises out of all the monitors I've gone through.

I have a Dell 24" 1080 which I bought for 1k when it was new. I also bought in order (1) 27" S277 4K IPS, (2) Samsung 32" S32 1440P, and (3) BenQ 32" BL3200PT. The 6700 and 7100 are all better than those other monitors. Just because we list things we don't like does not mean it's a bad monitor. No owner here has returned these "monitors" for picture quality, color banding, image persistence, etc. Most who returned it for ghosting, ended up upgrading to the next version up. No one has complained about input lag at all except for one person here who had a cracked monitor which he measured lagging by 40 or so sec in game mode which doesn't match up with review or user measurements.

It sounds like some here are reading our comments and zeroing on negative issues and believe that we hate these panels. That is not the case at all. If you're looking for the I hate this monitor thread, you'll have to go somewhere else.
 
How exactly does that work with the brightness levels? For a dimmer picture, doesn't it increase in Hz? So at full brightness, it'll be a much lower frequency - any guess as to what it is? It should be non-existent ... but Samsung felt otherwise.

8HZ PWM (8 settings per second):

100%: ON ON ON ON ON ON ON ON
50%: ON ON ON ON OFF OFF OFF OFF
12%: ON OFF OFF OFF OFF OFF OFF OFF

Of course its a little more complicated than this, and 50% could be set as:
ON ON OFF OFF ON ON OFF OFF
or:
ON OFF ON OFF ON OFF ON OFF

The latter is "better" imo, but will cause more wear on the electronics. Rise-fall times have losses (heat) also. You just need to know that there are up to 120 switches per second with a 120Hz PWM rate. These screens also seem to use a range of something like 10%-95% for its "0-20" settings. A backlight setting of 0 won't turn the back light off completely, and 20 still switches the LEDs off instead of running at a 100% duty cycle.
 
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^^^ exactly
'20 Backlight' does not mean 100% wide open no backlight dimming on these sets, which is why my eyes/head still have slight issues, even at 20. The camera shot taken earlier in the thread at setting 20 clearly still showed separations. It was not a solid white line.
 
^^^ exactly
'20 Backlight' does not mean 100% wide open no backlight dimming on these sets, which is why my eyes/head still have slight issues, even at 20. The camera shot taken earlier in the thread at setting 20 clearly still showed separations. It was not a solid white line.

I'd think the issue at "20" would be the amount of light, not PWM. The off-time is so little that it should be imperceptible, even to the brain. Now having it off most of the time, and flicking on every so often (strobe), THAT can cause major issues and is fatiguing within seconds/minutes depending on the rate.

Being that these LEDs are on the cooler side of the spectrum, the extra blue light could also cause people issues. If blue-light-hazard is a real thing, obviously some people would be more affected. Filtering with the panel will help a bit, but it's still not the same as having a high-CRI LED backlight that usually has the blue spectrum better controlled.

My ideal backlight would be current-controlled and use some of the 94+ CRI white LEDs on the market (or better yet, some quality RGB parts). I'd be find with some color shifting due to changes in the drive current - I never change my monitor settings in the first place, so it'd be set, calibrate, and forget.
 
No, it's PWM, trust me. I can tell a difference between 18 and 20 with headaches and such. Overall brightness is being mitigated by dropping brightness and contrast, at the expense of image quality.

All of the high-dollar professional panel makers, such as NEC, HP use high-freq PWM. NEC uses 20,000hz, LOL.
 
@CyJackX, can you use your 40JU6500 with 4:4:4 chroma ??
Thank you

Yes, I can turn on 4:4:4 mode and pass all the tests right now, but I think I have a cable issue as I get occasional black frames as well as red sparkles on all my black and cyan sparkles on all my whites.

At first I thought I might be sensitive to PWM but I think since upgrading from being 2' away from a 23" monitor to being 2' away from a 40" monitor my eyes and head are more jarred by the massive amount of eye turning and brightness. This is still less than 24 hrs and I'm feeling better/accustomed now than I was this morning.
 
Yes, I can turn on 4:4:4 mode and pass all the tests right now, but I think I have a cable issue as I get occasional black frames as well as red sparkles on all my black and cyan sparkles on all my whites.

At first I thought I might be sensitive to PWM but I think since upgrading from being 2' away from a 23" monitor to being 2' away from a 40" monitor my eyes and head are more jarred by the massive amount of eye turning and brightness. This is still less than 24 hrs and I'm feeling better/accustomed now than I was this morning.

Those sparkles are indicative of signal loss. Try a shorter cable or buy a high speed cable.

Yeah, watch out for brightness. That will cause fatigue. If you don't get headaches, you're PWM-symptoms free.

Ok. Just to be clear on my own UN40JU6500. This is the status.

Device Type - PC - Firmware 1206 (I have no image for it, but 1207 looks the same)

http://i.imgur.com/DfSOYlx.jpg

Device Type - Game - Firmware 1206

http://i.imgur.com/d0f3nPJ.jpg

Device Type = Game - Firmware 1207

http://i.imgur.com/8SpSKxh.jpg



I do notice ghosting in one or two games, but a $400 jump is not worth it for me.

Here is UHD on game mode for 7 series:

I can read "the quick brown fox" on mine, but not on yours?
 
I noticed a few things with 1207.

Ultraflix is now available in the apps. My 75/75 connection just can't handle native 4k content. It stutters (same on M-Go). Netflix 4k seems to be just fine (probably because it's lower bandwidth).

HBO Go full page ad now appears. Although when I try to click on it it says "Samsung Network not available". So it looks like it's coming.
 
Wow. :eek:

I just tried Game mode on my 48JU6700 with firmware 1207 and daaammnn. This is a tremendous improvement. The lag in PC mode is already quite good IMO, but this takes it a few notches down and that ugly fringing on text is gone. Game mode actually seems usable for things besides...games...now.

I realize that I'm echoing what the rest of you have already found out, but honestly I didn't realize the difference was this big. This is freakin' sweet.

Bravo, Samsung. Somehow, you managed to make an excellent TV-as-PC-monitor even better.
 
I made some videos of the blur on the 6700, which isn't reduced in Game mode obviously. I'll post `em tomorrow for anyone interested.

I have to run in a bit...please post impressions of 1207-2 if/when any improvements or shortcomings are found. Maybe they fixed the slight input lag increase in PC mode from the 1207 update? Or improved Game mode even further? 4:4:4/60 in Game mode would be cherry, but I certainly can't complain about the current state of things! :cool:
 
I just noticed an issue that's been bugging me on my 48" JU6700. Every few minutes there is like a .2 second random flicker on the left-side backlight, and this is on a static image. It seems to occur frequently right after turning on, then happens less as the unit has warmed up. All the ECO / adaptive features have always been turned off. Backlight is always set at 20. Has anyone else noticed this on their panel?

I'm thinking about returning this to Crutchfield and buying a unit from Fry's locally since they're in stock now.
 
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Ok so you sons a bitches finally convinced me, I returned the 6700 today for a 7500. :D

Frys made it too easy frankly because they extended the "no tax" deal another week, which meant I could drive 10 minutes and do the swap and have it all done in an hour. I couldn't resist.

SO, here are my thoughts, after 2 weeks with the 6700 versus getting the 7500 all set up and goofing around with it. These are just thoughts as a PC display, I haven't watched any 4k video content yet, which I suspect will be superior on the 7500:

1. Remote - Backlit on the 7500, nice.

2. Smart LED
- We turn this off right? No advantage there.

3. Glossy Screen - Whomever said the glossy screen made colors "pop" more, is wrong. It does nothing, nor should it, as it's just a covering. Identical, no better, at all, than the 6700 semi-matte. No way in a blind test you correctly identify which is which when content is displayed (PC desktop or game). The ambient light bounce back seems about the same, possibly a bit better on the 6700 as it distorts the light source (made it hazy, less noticeable) while the 7500 is mirror-like. Both are fine for my environment, I don't have lighting behind my head or even directly above, it all shines in to the back of the LCD which means the screen type doesn't matter for me.

4. Menus / GUI / etc - No difference in speed or presentation. No one said there was a difference, but just in case someone wonders, no the CPU in the display is not any faster on the 7500.

5. Motion Blur - Uh oh, the biggie, this is the one that I couldn't really see with the 6700, wondered why all the furor was about etc. And...

...games play smoother, almost like you picked up a few fps. It's noticeable, for sure.

Noticeable enough that even to someone who isn't picky about it, and came from shitty displays previously like myself, would find it worth the upgrade cost.

I ran the rtings video tests and it's easy to see it there too. Less of the logo is left behind as it scrolls from left to right, it's obvious.

THE VERDICT: Keeping it.

I could live with the 6700 quite nicely, but I suspect that after now seeing what I was missing, a more seamless, smooth gaming experience, I'd miss it. It really is better. And my average display lasts 6-8 years on my PC, got that out of my Dell 3008 and I expect to get it out of this 48", so why not.

Like Brahmzy and I were talking about , if you can afford to play at this level (Titan X, Samsung 4k Display, etc), why can't you go a little bit higher and not have to worry about it?

So thank you to all who contributed to the motion blur discussion, appreciate it. You won a cynic over. :cool:
 
Ok so you sons a bitches finally convinced me, I returned the 6700 today for a 7500. :D

Frys made it too easy frankly because they extended the "no tax" deal another week, which meant I could drive 10 minutes and do the swap and have it all done in an hour. I couldn't resist.

SO, here are my thoughts, after 2 weeks with the 6700 versus getting the 7500 all set up and goofing around with it. These are just thoughts as a PC display, I haven't watched any 4k video content yet, which I suspect will be superior on the 7500:

1. Remote - Backlit on the 7500, nice.

2. Smart LED
- We turn this off right? No advantage there.

3. Glossy Screen - Whomever said the glossy screen made colors "pop" more, is wrong. It does nothing, nor should it, as it's just a covering. Identical, no better, at all, than the 6700 semi-matte. No way in a blind test you correctly identify which is which when content is displayed (PC desktop or game). The ambient light bounce back seems about the same, possibly a bit better on the 6700 as it distorts the light source (made it hazy, less noticeable) while the 7500 is mirror-like. Both are fine for my environment, I don't have lighting behind my head or even directly above, it all shines in to the back of the LCD which means the screen type doesn't matter for me.

4. Menus / GUI / etc - No difference in speed or presentation. No one said there was a difference, but just in case someone wonders, no the CPU in the display is not any faster on the 7500.

5. Motion Blur - Uh oh, the biggie, this is the one that I couldn't really see with the 6700, wondered why all the furor was about etc. And...

...games play smoother, almost like you picked up a few fps. It's noticeable, for sure.

Noticeable enough that even to someone who isn't picky about it, and came from shitty displays previously like myself, would find it worth the upgrade cost.

I ran the rtings video tests and it's easy to see it there too. Less of the logo is left behind as it scrolls from left to right, it's obvious.

THE VERDICT: Keeping it.

I could live with the 6700 quite nicely, but I suspect that after now seeing what I was missing, a more seamless, smooth gaming experience, I'd miss it. It really is better. And my average display lasts 6-8 years on my PC, got that out of my Dell 3008 and I expect to get it out of this 48", so why not.

Like Brahmzy and I were talking about , if you can afford to play at this level (Titan X, Samsung 4k Display, etc), why can't you go a little bit higher and not have to worry about it?

So thank you to all who contributed to the motion blur discussion, appreciate it. You won a cynic over. :cool:

Nice, I'm really tempted to get one of these from Fry's now to replace the 6700. Do you notice less screen-tearing by chance in games with the 7500? I never play with v-sync on, but even 2 GTX 980s is having a hard time keeping above 60fps all the time in GTA V.
 
Wow. :eek:

I just tried Game mode on my 48JU6700 with firmware 1207 and daaammnn. This is a tremendous improvement. The lag in PC mode is already quite good IMO, but this takes it a few notches down and that ugly fringing on text is gone. Game mode actually seems usable for things besides...games...now.

I realize that I'm echoing what the rest of you have already found out, but honestly I didn't realize the difference was this big. This is freakin' sweet.

Bravo, Samsung. Somehow, you managed to make an excellent TV-as-PC-monitor even better.

Very true, Cyph and the others were right about it, it's night and day. And for whatever reason the colors look superior via 4:2:2 than the identical settings at 4:4:4, no idea why.

I've kept mine in Game mode, 4:2:2 for a few days now straight on the desktop and won't be going back.

I just noticed an issue that's been bugging me on my 48" JU6700. Every few minutes there is like a .2 second random flicker on the left-side backlight, and this is on a static image. It seems to occur frequently right after turning on, then happens less as the unit has warmed up. All the ECO / adaptive features have always been turned off. Backlight is always set at 20. Has anyone else noticed this on their panel?

I'm thinking about returning this to Crutchfield and buying a unit from Fry's locally since they're in stock now.

I would return it, I watched closely for hiccups like that over the past couple weeks with the 6700 I had and never saw a single glitch. It was as steady as the Dell 3008 it replaced, sorry about that praxis.

Nice, I'm really tempted to get one of these from Fry's now to replace the 6700. Do you notice less screen-tearing by chance in games with the 7500? I never play with v-sync on, but even 2 GTX 980s is having a hard time keeping above 60fps all the time in GTA V.

No difference in screen tearing, but I typically game with vsync on and with the Titan X so far I've had good luck in that regard. Hate tearing the most, far more than motion blur for example. Blur I can live with, tearing I can't heh.
 
I would return it, I watched closely for hiccups like that over the past couple weeks with the 6700 I had and never saw a single glitch. It was as steady as the Dell 3008 it replaced, sorry about that praxis.

Thanks for confirming that it's not normal. Between the first unit being cracked and the replacement having the flickering issue, I don't think I'll ever buy a TV online again. I hope my Fry's is doing the tax sale :)
 
5. Motion Blur - Uh oh, the biggie, this is the one that I couldn't really see with the 6700, wondered why all the furor was about etc. And...

...games play smoother, almost like you picked up a few fps. It's noticeable, for sure.

Noticeable enough that even to someone who isn't picky about it, and came from shitty displays previously like myself, would find it worth the upgrade cost.

I ran the rtings video tests and it's easy to see it there too. Less of the logo is left behind as it scrolls from left to right, it's obvious.

THE VERDICT: Keeping it.

Yay!! My hesitant 7500 upgrade purchase = justified.

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I could live with the 6700 quite nicely, but I suspect that after now seeing what I was missing, a more seamless, smooth gaming experience, I'd miss it. It really is better. And my average display lasts 6-8 years on my PC, got that out of my Dell 3008 and I expect to get it out of this 48", so why not.

Like Brahmzy and I were talking about , if you can afford to play at this level (Titan X, Samsung 4k Display, etc), why can't you go a little bit higher and not have to worry about it?

So thank you to all who contributed to the motion blur discussion, appreciate it. You won a cynic over. :cool:

Hehe. I'd like to say more, but I think you've said it all. I don't have my 7500 yet, so I'm not entitled to say "Told ya so!" I'll let the others do that. :D

Seriously though, thanks for the additional feedback on the 7500!
 
Hehe. I'd like to say more, but I think you've said it all. I don't have my 7500 yet, so I'm not entitled to say "Told ya so!" I'll let the others do that. :D

You guys earned that told ya so, well done! :D:D:D

Most of the time the nit-pickers just drive me nuts on AVS with such small minutiae that even when they show it to you, live, you still can't see the flaw, lol.

But this is something else, it's hard to describe for those lurking but the best I can put it is it's like having a slightly faster card in the system. Less chop, more smooth.
 
Thanks for confirming that it's not normal. Between the first unit being cracked and the replacement having the flickering issue, I don't think I'll ever buy a TV online again. I hope my Fry's is doing the tax sale :)

I feel the same, I just have had too many experiences with online ordering of displays for my family, it seems like it's always drama.

You can check your Fry's no-tax sale status via their online site, I went there today and that triggered the whole 6700 return, look for it in their "weekly ad" section. It should be the same, but mine says it runs until 4/26 I believe. :)
 
5. Motion Blur - Uh oh, the biggie, this is the one that I couldn't really see with the 6700, wondered why all the furor was about etc. And...

...games play smoother, almost like you picked up a few fps. It's noticeable, for sure.

Noticeable enough that even to someone who isn't picky about it, and came from shitty displays previously like myself, would find it worth the upgrade cost.

Ahhh, I wish I could find this display locally. I'm not sure I want to roll the dice online at this point. Hopefully my local Fry's will have them soon. Thank you for the update!
 
I just noticed an issue that's been bugging me on my 48" JU6700. Every few minutes there is like a .2 second random flicker on the left-side backlight, and this is on a static image. It seems to occur frequently right after turning on, then happens less as the unit has warmed up. All the ECO / adaptive features have always been turned off. Backlight is always set at 20. Has anyone else noticed this on their panel?

I'm thinking about returning this to Crutchfield and buying a unit from Fry's locally since they're in stock now.

Did you try a different HDMI cable first? It may be it's bandwidth starved. I would try different HDMI cables before returning.

Ok so you sons a bitches finally convinced me, I returned the 6700 today for a 7500. :D



2. Smart LED[/B] - We turn this off right? No advantage there.

3. Glossy Screen - Whomever said the glossy screen made colors "pop" more, is wrong. It does nothing, nor should it, as it's just a covering. Identical, no better, at all, than the 6700 semi-matte. No way in a blind test you correctly identify which is which when content is displayed (PC desktop or game). The ambient light bounce back seems about the same, possibly a bit better on the 6700 as it distorts the light source (made it hazy, less noticeable) while the 7500 is mirror-like. Both are fine for my environment, I don't have lighting behind my head or even directly above, it all shines in to the back of the LCD which means the screen type doesn't matter for me.

5. Motion Blur - Uh oh, the biggie, this is the one that I couldn't really see with the 6700, wondered why all the furor was about etc. And...

...games play smoother, almost like you picked up a few fps. It's noticeable, for sure.

Noticeable enough that even to someone who isn't picky about it, and came from shitty displays previously like myself, would find it worth the upgrade cost.

I ran the rtings video tests and it's easy to see it there too. Less of the logo is left behind as it scrolls from left to right, it's obvious.

THE VERDICT: Keeping it.

Nice! Welcome to the club!

Did you do an A/B comparison with the screen? Now, it's very well that it's my imagination, but I'm pretty sure that the blacks are blacker and the colors are better. Glossy is known to have better clarity and allow more light in. Samsung uses this panel in their high end models for a reason. However, if you don't see it, then you don't see it.

It may be the fact that the flat panel reflects significantly less than the curved, but I am positive that the glossy reflects less in my environment. If I have a picture background on the windows Desktop, I do not see any reflections right now at night. Perhaps it's the same way with the semigloss? If you see reflections while playing games or with a desktop background, then I believe the curve creates more reflection due to the curvature of the panel.

Smart LED, 240hz interpolation, etc. will be evident once you watch videos.
 
I feel the same, I just have had too many experiences with online ordering of displays for my family, it seems like it's always drama.

You can check your Fry's no-tax sale status via their online site, I went there today and that triggered the whole 6700 return, look for it in their "weekly ad" section. It should be the same, but mine says it runs until 4/26 I believe. :)

Yeah I just saw it, I'm driving there after work tomorrow. Man, every time I come back to this thread I learn something new lol :D
 
Nice! Welcome to the club!

Did you do an A/B comparison with the screen? Now, it's very well that it's my imagination, but I'm pretty sure that the blacks are blacker and the colors are better. Glossy is known to have better clarity and allow more light in. Samsung uses this panel in their high end models for a reason. However, if you don't see it, then you don't see it.

It may be the fact that the flat panel reflects significantly less than the curved, but I am positive that the glossy reflects less in my environment. If I have a picture background on the windows Desktop, I do not see any reflections right now at night. Perhaps it's the same way with the semigloss? If you see reflections while playing games or with a desktop background, then I believe the curve creates more reflection due to the curvature of the panel.

Smart LED, 240hz interpolation, etc. will be evident once you watch videos.

That all sounds right to me Cyph, the only thing I consciously noticed are the blacks. It's very slight, I don't want to overstate it as it's so close that I might fail a blind A/B on it, but it SEEMS like the black are a hair better on the 7500. And that could be anything, it may also just be my imagination as well, I don't want 6700 owners thinking there's a possible benefit there and feeling they need to reach for it...it could be nonsense.

But I'll throw you a bone and say it might be because of the gloss versus matte heheh...:D:D
 
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