AMD R9 390X, Nvidia GTX 980 Ti and Titan X Benchmarks Leaked

Wow that new 960 looks interesting. But I am sure it will have the same memory bullshit issue the 970 has since it will be a cut down 980 GTX.

You know damn well people will test it if it says it comes with 4gb of memory lol.

But yea chiphell...Fudzilla....Man I cannot wait to see real benchmarks and reviews.
 
We still don't know about how well the R9-390 does yet but if those are correct then I would think the 980Ti is already taking care of..
 
Another thing is. Is that the 390x in the benchmarks? or the 390? I thought the 390x was the fiji XTX?

If that is just a 390, then imagine what a 390x can do.

Of course this is all speculation.
 
That Fiji looks nice. I wonder if AMD can release at the current rates they have been selling at ;)
 
Well, assuming these benches are accurate enough, here's some thoughts:

1) The 390x uses as much power as a 290x, that's bad
2) It's the same performance as Titan X, no clear winner

3) Final and most important point.......390x is stuck behind AMD's drivers. So game over.

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My video setup, I need dual cards. Crossfire is a nightmare, and there's no way I'm putting two 390x's in 1 machine. Using tons of power and will require the liquid coolers with separate reservoir's and fans. That's a huge pain to try and fit that in one case. 395x2 might be better, but see point # 1 and # 3 again.

Titan X's might cost a little more, but it's Team Green drivers, which means Adaptive Vsync, Gsync if I chose, way better SLI support in games, less power and runs cooler

980 TI is a cut down Titan X. 6GB.......that might be the sweetspot right there, depending on price
 
Ultranifty said:
Well, assuming these benches are accurate enough, here's some thoughts:

1) The 390x uses as much power as a 290x, that's bad
2) It's the same performance as Titan X, no clear winner

3) Final and most important point.......390x is stuck behind AMD's drivers. So game over.

Market share says it all

My video setup, I need dual cards. Crossfire is a nightmare, and there's no way I'm putting two 390x's in 1 machine. Using tons of power and will require the liquid coolers with separate reservoir's and fans. That's a huge pain to try and fit that in one case. 395x2 might be better, but see point # 1 and # 3 again.

Titan X's might cost a little more, but it's Team Green drivers, which means Adaptive Vsync, Gsync if I chose, way better SLI support in games, less power and runs cooler

980 TI is a cut down Titan X. 6GB.......that might be the sweetspot right there, depending on price
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Nvidia drivers and SLI support is just as bad as crossfire and AMD right now. Also crossfire 290/290x is smoother then Nvidia SLI as well.

The thing is we have no idea if this is the TOP AMD card, or the cutdown version. We do know Titan X is not cut down.

Anyway too much speculation, not enough [H]ard evidence.

Edit: How can you be upset with it using the same power as a 290x? Think about it. Its 40% faster using the same power as the previous generation? That is impressive.
 
Ultranifty said:
Well, assuming these benches are accurate enough, here's some thoughts:

1) The 390x uses as much power as a 290x, that's bad
2) It's the same performance as Titan X, no clear winner

3) Final and most important point.......390x is stuck behind AMD's drivers. So game over.

Market share says it all

My video setup, I need dual cards. Crossfire is a nightmare, and there's no way I'm putting two 390x's in 1 machine. Using tons of power and will require the liquid coolers with separate reservoir's and fans. That's a huge pain to try and fit that in one case. 395x2 might be better, but see point # 1 and # 3 again.

Titan X's might cost a little more, but it's Team Green drivers, which means Adaptive Vsync, Gsync if I chose, way better SLI support in games, less power and runs cooler

980 TI is a cut down Titan X. 6GB.......that might be the sweetspot right there, depending on price
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I agree with DA_SHlT, Maxwell drivers have been dogshit since 344.16, and there are numerous outstanding issues that nVidia still hasn't sorted out

- DisplayPort issues since 344.16
- DSR still not working with GSync+SLI
- DSR hit or miss with SLI
- infamous SLI voltage discrepancy bug

As for 390X using just as much power as the 290X, if the benches are accurate and the 390X is indeed 50% more powerful than the 290X, then that's actually a substantial improvement in performance per watt.
 
n=1 said:
I agree with DA_SHlT, Maxwell drivers have been dogshit since 344.16, and there are numerous outstanding issues that nVidia still hasn't sorted out

- DisplayPort issues since 344.16
- DSR still not working with GSync+SLI
- DSR hit or miss with SLI
- infamous SLI voltage discrepancy bug

As for 390X using just as much power as the 290X, if the benches are accurate and the 390X is indeed 50% more powerful than the 290X, then that's actually a substantial improvement in performance per watt.
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Yeah, nvidia has been dropping the ball lately. I still like their cards and drivers better than AMD, but team green really needs to shore up some issues.
 
Hopefully it's not true otherwise I have to wonder wtf Nvidia is doing. Taking those at face value I'd guess the Titan X = $999, GTX 980 Ti = $649, GTX 980 $499, GTX 970 = $349, GTX 960 Ti = $250-$300, GTX 960 = $199.

Once again the pricing and performance would be all over the place. Again rumors are rumors, but to be honest it wouldn't surprise me if this is exactly 100% accurate. Their product lines have been all over the place since the 600 Series. It's as if that King Jen-Hsun dominates by confusing everyone.
 
stuff is getting orders of magnitude more complicated.

both camps are working their collective asses of to get this stuff working.

people want more things to play with, that comes at a price.

DSR, VSR, G-Sync, Free-Sync....

its going to take time to get it all working right.

So much anger in here....

geez...
 
n=1 said:
I agree with DA_SHlT, Maxwell drivers have been dogshit since 344.16, and there are numerous outstanding issues that nVidia still hasn't sorted out

- DisplayPort issues since 344.16
- DSR still not working with GSync+SLI
- DSR hit or miss with SLI
- infamous SLI voltage discrepancy bug

As for 390X using just as much power as the 290X, if the benches are accurate and the 390X is indeed 50% more powerful than the 290X, then that's actually a substantial improvement in performance per watt.
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very impressive energy use for power gain. if only gpu mining was still proftable lol
 
These were posted days ago on various other forums. Gonna call bs on it, who has all these unreleased cards? AMD is so protective of the 390X that they supposedly stuck it in an ugly case and didn't even let anyone take a picture yet somehow some no name got all of these cards? Yeah ok.
 
5150Joker said:
These were posted days ago on various other forums. Gonna call bs on it, who has all these unreleased cards? AMD is so protective of the 390X that they supposedly stuck it in an ugly case and didn't even let anyone take a picture yet somehow some no name got all of these cards? Yeah ok.
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Well the ChipHell guys are right many times since they are from the region that manufacturers the cards. Many times they will post pictures of generic cards many months before they are even whispered to exist over here. Not saying that these numbers are to be believed of course. Anyone can make up stuff and post it.
 
cageymaru said:
Well the ChipHell guys are right many times since they are from the region that manufacturers the cards. Many times they will post pictures of generic cards many months before they are even whispered to exist over here. Not saying that these numbers are to be believed of course. Anyone can make up stuff and post it.
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It MIGHT have been somewhat more believable if they used a canned benchmark like 3DMARK only rather than push out a fake graph with 19 games they claim to have tested. So some random QC tester (doubt a higher up would ever leak this) somehow snuck out these highly protected cards passed security and then tested them against a bunch of other cards in 19 games? Yeah I have a bridge to sell anyone that believes that.
 
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DASHlT said:
Nvidia drivers and SLI support is just as bad as crossfire and AMD right now. Also crossfire 290/290x is smoother then Nvidia SLI as well.

The thing is we have no idea if this is the TOP AMD card, or the cutdown version. We do know Titan X is not cut down.

Anyway too much speculation, not enough [H]ard evidence.

Edit: How can you be upset with it using the same power as a 290x? Think about it. Its 40% faster using the same power as the previous generation? That is impressive.
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Nope, Crossfire is not smoother right now. I personally went through a 290x crossfire situation and ended up putting back in the SLI 580's. That's how much choppier the 290x's were compared to the smoothness of Adaptive Vsync

AMD DOESN'T HAVE ADAPTIVE VSYNC

Games are less compatible with crossfire than to sli. AMD's drivers have been crap since forever

390x having that much more performance while using the same power draw as 290x isn't the point. It's that a Titan X doesn't use nearly as much power, neither do the 980's. I'm not a fan of AMD's philosophy of making stuff loud, hot, and big power draw just for little more performance.

But it all comes down to the drivers really. AMD doesn't have adaptive vsync which is HUGE deal for giving you tear free, jitter free motion. If they had that, I'd consider them.
 
Ultranifty said:
Nope, Crossfire is not smoother right now. I personally went through a 290x crossfire situation and ended up putting back in the SLI 580's. That's how much choppier the 290x's were compared to the smoothness of Adaptive Vsync

AMD DOESN'T HAVE ADAPTIVE VSYNC

Games are less compatible with crossfire than to sli. AMD's drivers have been crap since forever

390x having that much more performance while using the same power draw as 290x isn't the point. It's that a Titan X doesn't use nearly as much power, neither do the 980's. I'm not a fan of AMD's philosophy of making stuff loud, hot, and big power draw just for little more performance.

But it all comes down to the drivers really. AMD doesn't have adaptive vsync which is HUGE deal for giving you tear free, jitter free motion. If they had that, I'd consider them.
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Then i guess [H]ardocp is wrong in the reviews when they state that AMD crossfire is smoother?

Sounds like it was user error more then driver error.
 
5150Joker said:
It MIGHT have been somewhat more believable if they used a canned benchmark like 3DMARK rather than push out a graph with 19 games they claim to have tested. So some random QC tester (doubt a higher up would ever leak this) somehow snuck out these highly protected cards passed security and then tested them against a bunch of other cards in 19 games? Yeah I have a bridge to sell anyone that believes that.
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Well it seems to happen all the time as they usually get all of the Intel chips tested months before they release and are usually spot on. I'm sure that people in China can afford 19 games also. I'm not saying that these numbers are right, but ChipHell has been right many times in the past.
 
Massive grain of salt here, but that GTX 965 certainly looks interesting. If it's anything like the old GTX 465 where for the first batch you could unlock shader blocks to a GTX 480, my credit card is at the ready. GTX 980 for $275? Definitely looks like a possibility as NVidia will need to flog extra GM204s:

...We’ve confirmed a while back that the 960 Ti will not be based on the GM206 GPU but rather on a further cut down version of the larger GM204 GPU used in the GTX 980 and 970.

If the benches are correct (and BIG "if"), also interesting to see the 390x's 4GB isn't pulling down performance at 4k. One of the reason's I'm leaning toward these benches as being fake...
 
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harmattan said:
Massive grain of salt here, but that GTX 965 certainly looks interesting. If it's anything like the old GTX 465 where for the first batch you could unlock shader blocks to a GTX 480, my credit card is at the ready. GTX 980 for $275? Definitely looks like a possibility as NVidia will need to flog extra GM204s:

...We’ve confirmed a while back that the 960 Ti will not be based on the GM206 GPU but rather on a further cut down version of the larger GM204 GPU used in the GTX 980 and 970.

If the benches are correct (and BIG "if"), also interesting to see the 390x's 4GB isn't pulling down performance at 4k.
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And if they do, They will have the same vram issue as the 970. Its a hardware problem which cannot be fixed by software.

That will be a bad idea if you ask me.
 
5150Joker said:
It MIGHT have been somewhat more believable if they used a canned benchmark like 3DMARK rather than push out a graph with 19 games they claim to have tested. So some random QC tester (doubt a higher up would ever leak this) somehow snuck out these highly protected cards passed security and then tested them against a bunch of other cards in 19 games? Yeah I have a bridge to sell anyone that believes that.
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There IS a FireStrike Extreme graphics score chart if you scroll down a bit. Maybe the article was updated after you posted that but yeah it's there.

Someone mentioned (adaptive) V-Sync, this is completely personal but I'd rather have screen tearing than put up with the unacceptable amount of input lag V-Sync introduces. Plus with a 144Hz panel screen tearing becomes that much less noticeable.

Edit: Might as well just link the "leaked benchmark" pic

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960Ti/965 will be a cut-down 970? Damn, it's gonna be 192-bit 3GB+1GB sideport or something.
 
Honest question here:

Has wccftech been right in the recent past regarding leaks?

That is all i would like to know.
 
Revdarian said:
Honest question here:

Has wccftech been right in the recent past regarding leaks?

That is all i would like to know.
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They are like Semiaccurate. About 50-50.

Just my opinion. Chiphell (who leaked the benchmarks) have been known to show fake benchmarks, but also have shown to be accurate. Chiphell is the one who showed how GOOD the 970 was in benchmarks and I for one DID NOT believe i would get 780ti performance for $329....

Anyway my 0.02c
 
Ultranifty said:
Nope, Crossfire is not smoother right now. I personally went through a 290x crossfire situation and ended up putting back in the SLI 580's. That's how much choppier the 290x's were compared to the smoothness of Adaptive Vsync

AMD DOESN'T HAVE ADAPTIVE VSYNC

Games are less compatible with crossfire than to sli. AMD's drivers have been crap since forever

390x having that much more performance while using the same power draw as 290x isn't the point. It's that a Titan X doesn't use nearly as much power, neither do the 980's. I'm not a fan of AMD's philosophy of making stuff loud, hot, and big power draw just for little more performance.

But it all comes down to the drivers really. AMD doesn't have adaptive vsync which is HUGE deal for giving you tear free, jitter free motion. If they had that, I'd consider them.

Because I say so!
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FTFY

Pure BS. Like anything you post is going to change the outcome once it's released?
 
5150Joker said:
It MIGHT have been somewhat more believable if they used a canned benchmark like 3DMARK rather than push out a graph with 19 games they claim to have tested. So some random QC tester (doubt a higher up would ever leak this) somehow snuck out these highly protected cards passed security and then tested them against a bunch of other cards in 19 games? Yeah I have a bridge to sell anyone that believes that.
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Sounds like someone is just mad nvidia did not come out on top with their card that will probably cost twice the price.

If it makes you feel better the nvidia cards will probably overclock well with the better thermal/power headroom so you always have that to fall back on.
 
tybert7 said:
Sounds like someone is just mad nvidia did not come out on top with their card that will probably cost twice the price.

If it makes you feel better the nvidia cards will probably overclock well with the better thermal/power headroom so you always have that to fall back on.
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And the problem with that is the AMD card with a CLC AIO WC on it will overclock better then a Titan X.

Basically you should have no issue with the 390x (if it has a CLC WC on it) maxing out the card with overclocking.

If my 780 lightning can handle 1.35v and stay under 70c on an H55, then the 390x should EASILY have no issue with overclocking.
 
http://wccftech.com/amd-r9-390x-8-gb-hbm/

Something to think about. If AMD really does release a 8gb 390x (which I highly doubt) that will basically double the amount of Memory Bandwidth, which would make these benchmarks obsolete since that is the 390x with 4gb of memory.

So it is possible AMD will gain even more performance?....Is that the right way of thinking on the memory bandwidth with HBM?
 
DASHlT said:
http://wccftech.com/amd-r9-390x-8-gb-hbm/

Something to think about. If AMD really does release a 8gb 390x (which I highly doubt) that will basically double the amount of Memory Bandwidth, which would make these benchmarks obsolete since that is the 390x with 4gb of memory.

So it is possible AMD will gain even more performance?....Is that the right way of thinking on the memory bandwidth with HBM?
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If its bandwidth starved yea.
higher resolutions can create such not sure with the 4k requirement.
normally amd would do 8GB due to the consumer mind set as it be that more about size than bandwidth to question for a buyer.
 
Ultranifty said:
Nope, Crossfire is not smoother right now. I personally went through a 290x crossfire situation and ended up putting back in the SLI 580's. That's how much choppier the 290x's were compared to the smoothness of Adaptive Vsync

AMD DOESN'T HAVE ADAPTIVE VSYNC

Games are less compatible with crossfire than to sli. AMD's drivers have been crap since forever

390x having that much more performance while using the same power draw as 290x isn't the point. It's that a Titan X doesn't use nearly as much power, neither do the 980's. I'm not a fan of AMD's philosophy of making stuff loud, hot, and big power draw just for little more performance.

But it all comes down to the drivers really. AMD doesn't have adaptive vsync which is HUGE deal for giving you tear free, jitter free motion. If they had that, I'd consider them.
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Hmm.. thats really not the results i get from my adaptive vsync.. cut scenes have tearing.. and gameplay results are so-so.. i actually removed it globally and ended up using only on a few select games..

So, imho.. adaptive vsync =! great.

i would love for it to work, seeing that i am sitting on a single 970gtx.. but atleast DSR works (and thats a wonderfull feature for older games!!!) have just re-played dead space 2 in simulated 4k :)
 
I went from a GTS 250 to a 260x and I've been quite happy with AMD's drivers. Don't install the raptr thing and they stay out of your way just like the nvidia's (avoiding geforce experience of course). It's zero sli, lower end, but my 2 cents are that the drivers are about the same across the pond.
 
Flopper said:
If its bandwidth starved yea.
higher resolutions can create such not sure with the 4k requirement.
normally amd would do 8GB due to the consumer mind set as it be that more about size than bandwidth to question for a buyer.
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Interesting. So in theory, the AMD cards would bottleneck from the GPU before running out of memory bandwidth (since it would have so much)

Kinda crazy to think about lol
 
DASHlT said:
Interesting. So in theory, the AMD cards would bottleneck from the GPU before running out of memory bandwidth (since it would have so much)

Kinda crazy to think about lol
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In theory yes.
I am sure someone with more technical expertise can make some numbers of it.
We have seen as far that 4k etc..isnt cpu bound but gpu bound at higher resolutions.
(as expected) at least we are getting to a point where the single gpu are able to produce good performance even with a eyefinity or 4k set up.
next die shrink seems to be interesting.

for myself the 390x if those numbers holds up are likely to be the upgrade I want to have for any foreseeable future.

I dont buy dual sli/crossfire etc...as those are bad for gaming.
 
5150Joker said:
These were posted days ago on various other forums. Gonna call bs on it, who has all these unreleased cards?
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OCUK have stated they have ~1000 Titan X cards in stock. At least on the Nvidia side, the cards are out there.
 
Brent_Justice said:
*Grabs coffee
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Coffee's bad for your blood pressure. :)

If, as I expect, you have one or more cards of whichever flavour, but I'm assuming Titan X, please benchmark them in use cases with > 4 GB VRAM in use, > 6 GB VRAM in use, and, if possible, > 8 GB VRAM in use. Shadows of Mordor or a fully up-textured Skyrim on 3x 4K monitors should satisfy the last two. And please also try DX12.
 
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