390X coming soon few weeks

Nicholars said:
Why can't they just release it at lower price though like AMD, for example gtx 970 £200, GTX 980 £300, GTX titan £400.... I bet they could sell at those prices and still make money.
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They would probably lose quite a bit of money on those if they did that. These are almost full GM200 cores.

They could possibly do that for the GTX970 and 980 when they release the 980ti but they possibly won't then either. Nvidia usually carries a price premium on their top end products and much like intel don't offer older products for less. Unless there is direct competition like during the GTX280 vs HD4870 days.
 
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It isn't targeting June...
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We don't know what either product is doing, we just know JHH held up a PCB with a shroud on it that said TITAN X.

And anything that is due to be announced is impending, personal opinion aside.
 
I'd like to get one hopefully there is a non reference version, that doesn't use the liquid cooler. I don't see that happening.
 
PowerColor made an air-cooled 295X2 (yes, air-cooled), so never say never. Not saying it's a good idea (not for the 295X2 anyway), but it can and will happen.

Frankly even if the 390X is 350W I'm sure Sapphire's Vapor-X cooler will handle it just fine, so I'm almost 100% certain AIBs will release non-reference air-cooled designs.
 
n=1 said:
PowerColor made an air-cooled 295X2 (yes, air-cooled), so never say never. Not saying it's a good idea (not for the 295X2 anyway), but it can and will happen.

Frankly even if the 390X is 350W I'm sure Sapphire's Vapor-X cooler will handle it just fine, so I'm almost 100% certain AIBs will release non-reference air-cooled designs.
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Wow I wasn't aware there was an air only version of the 295X2.
 
AceCR42 said:
Do these companies typically announce new products at GDC anyway?

The whole Titan X unveiling looked like a spur of the moment thing, rather than an actual planned event. No specs, no price, no release date.
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nVidia customers don't care about specs.

Nicholars said:
Why can't they just release it at lower price though like AMD, for example gtx 970 £200, GTX 980 £300, GTX titan £400.... I bet they could sell at those prices and still make money.
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nVidia customers don't care about price.
 
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Trimlock said:
While this card will be a killer gaming performer it will also be great for GPGPU work as well. High precision cards are worth A LOT and this will be worth the price.

These are usually big sellers, both professional and gamers buy them.
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The Firepro W8100 already offers greater than 2 teraflops DP and retails for ~$1K. That includes ecc RAM and proper Firepro drivers (not Geforce gaming drivers) and professional application support.

Titans are not pro cards. Tahiti has 1/3 DP on the consumer cards too, but you don't see AMD or their supporters claiming it;s some kind of "prosumer" card. All of that is marketing mumbo jumbo.
 
Relayer said:
The Firepro W8100 already offers greater than 2 teraflops DP and retails for ~$1K. That includes ecc RAM and proper Firepro drivers (not Geforce gaming drivers) and professional application support.

Titans are not pro cards. Tahiti has 1/3 DP on the consumer cards too, but you don't see AMD or their supporters claiming it;s some kind of "prosumer" card. All of that is marketing mumbo jumbo.
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Yup indeed, or go up a notch to the FirePRO W9100 with a huge 1/2 DP and 16GB ecc ddr5.

It's all done already without marketing hoopla.
 
Nicholars said:
Why can't they just release it at lower price though like AMD, for example gtx 970 £200, GTX 980 £300, GTX titan £400.... I bet they could sell at those prices and still make money.
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You have rather short memory right ?

970 had amazing price/performance that killed any card on the market at that time including 290 and 290X.

AMD had to cut down 290 to 250$ to become competitive.
 
According to KitGuru, 390X and the rest of 3xx lineup will be released in June - they want to launch full 300 line, not just one new product and few rebrands. Besides, they still have problems with clearing the 2xx cards from retail channels, and the new cards will hurt sales.

So everything will be presented at about Computex - and in H2 they want to reduce NV market share. Which might be compatible with rumors of 980 Ti being launched in June to steal 390 light.

SOURCE: http://www.kitguru.net/components/g...-its-radeon-r9-300-series-lineup-at-computex/
 
MorgothPl said:
According to KitGuru, 390X and the rest of 3xx lineup will be released in June - they want to launch full 300 line, not just one new product and few rebrands. Besides, they still have problems with clearing the 2xx cards from retail channels, and the new cards will hurt sales.

So everything will be presented at about Computex - and in H2 they want to reduce NV market share. Which might be compatible with rumors of 980 Ti being launched in June to steal 390 light.

SOURCE: http://www.kitguru.net/components/g...-its-radeon-r9-300-series-lineup-at-computex/
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Release their "line-up" not any specific GPUs.
Edit- Seems to be a bunch of fluff. Doesn't jive with what I have been hearing and seeing.
 
MorgothPl said:
According to KitGuru, 390X and the rest of 3xx lineup will be released in June - they want to launch full 300 line, not just one new product and few rebrands. Besides, they still have problems with clearing the 2xx cards from retail channels, and the new cards will hurt sales.

So everything will be presented at about Computex - and in H2 they want to reduce NV market share. Which might be compatible with rumors of 980 Ti being launched in June to steal 390 light.

SOURCE: http://www.kitguru.net/components/g...-its-radeon-r9-300-series-lineup-at-computex/
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The part about not selling all old inventory is what might have caused AMD to hold back the launch. There was an articular, that I can't seem to find now, which said that retailers/partners were telling AMD to stop sending them more stock as they could not sell it.
Either way a late May / early June launch is not to far fetched.
 
Michaelius said:
You have rather short memory right ?

970 had amazing price/performance that killed any card on the market at that time including 290 and 290X.

AMD had to cut down 290 to 250$ to become competitive.
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No I have a reasonably functional memory, my point was that why do they release cards are 200-400 then release a flagship card at a stupidly high price like £1000+ And the only time Nvidia have released a "bargain" card (the 970) it turned out to be a bit of a scam in that it did not have the specs the reviews said... Still its a decent card, but they still lied about the specs.
 
In fact only three weeks ago we exclusively told you that AMD has sufficient inventory of the R9 390X to begin demoing it publicly.

Read more: http://wccftech.com/amd-reveals-radeon-r9-390x-gdc-wip/#ixzz3TWbYkg4q

Wouldn't "sufficient inventory of 390x to begin demo" be 1 or more cards? lol

I don't think this will be released for a while, especially not air cooled versions for another 3 months probably :( I remember my friend bought a 290 on release when it was only the official card and had to replace the cooler straight away with an aftermarket cooler as the stock blower was shite. That watercooling on the 390x I don't see how most cases will be able to fit it, maybe in one of the top fan slots and that would be the only place looking at the size of the watercooler on the 295x.
 
Nicholars said:
In fact only three weeks ago we exclusively told you that AMD has sufficient inventory of the R9 390X to begin demoing it publicly.

Read more: http://wccftech.com/amd-reveals-radeon-r9-390x-gdc-wip/#ixzz3TWbYkg4q

Wouldn't "sufficient inventory of 390x to begin demo" be 1 or more cards? lol

I don't think this will be released for a while, especially not air cooled versions for another 3 months probably :( I remember my friend bought a 290 on release when it was only the official card and had to replace the cooler straight away with an aftermarket cooler as the stock blower was shite. That watercooling on the 390x I don't see how most cases will be able to fit it, maybe in one of the top fan slots and that would be the only place looking at the size of the watercooler on the 295x.
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The majority of early test cards would be with engineers until they are close enough to release that software support, BIOS, etc is all up and working well and they can start producing cards in higher quantities for use in demos and other work. Basically this just means we are closer to release.
 
Rizen said:
The majority of early test cards would be with engineers until they are close enough to release that software support, BIOS, etc is all up and working well and they can start producing cards in higher quantities for use in demos and other work. Basically this just means we are closer to release.
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Well, we do know AMD shipped 75,000 PCBs for Fiji over three months ago. They must have expected to have a good stock of chips at this point...
 
So AMD originally planned to launch 2 cards with re-brands in March (we saw these rumors before).
But now they decided to wait an extra 3 months and they can launch an entire series of new cards?

Where are all of these new cards coming from... Because it sounds like AMD had no plans for them before.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
So AMD originally planned to launch 2 cards with re-brands in March (we saw these rumors before).
But now they decided to wait an extra 3 months and they can launch an entire series of new cards?

Where are all of these new cards coming from... Because it sounds like AMD had no plans for them before.
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It is not hard to think they could release an entirely new line. They are quite due for one really. The tonga 285 was a step in that direction (GCN 1.2). They have a lot of gcn 1.1 cards floating about still. When the new cards will be GCN 1.3 or 2.0 whatever they wish to call it. So in other words nearly their entire product stack is 2 generations old, minus the 285.

Amd wants to gain market share, and they are not going to do that if they only release 2 new cards that are competitive, their whole lineup needs to be competitive. I wish they would go ahead and release the 390 and the 390x though, and then release the other models as they become ready. The 970 and the 980 are really stealing lots of market share from AMD right now. The quicker they stop the bleeding the faster things will get better.
 
MorgothPl said:
So everything will be presented at about Computex - and in H2 they want to reduce NV market share. Which might be compatible with rumors of 980 Ti being launched in June to steal 390 light.
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Well if they do release the 980Ti, it better be with atleast 6GB VRAM.
 
By the time June rolls around, AMD's market will have shrunk even more. They're probably sitting at 20% right now so I'm guessing by H2 they'll be lucky to be at 15% if NVIDIA happens to slash the prices on the 980/970 after Titan hits the market. Then when they do finally get around to releasing 390X, NVIDIA will pounce on them with 980 Ti. Is anyone optimistic that AMD will get back to 30-40%? I don't think they ever will.

While they are worried about a saturated channel with the 290/290x, they risk becoming completely irrelevant if they keep shrinking. AMD SHOULD have shown the 390X during GDC with some detail, hype video and "coming soon" type of PR and left it at that. It would get those who are considering Titan X and/or 980 to maybe wait it out. If they're so concerned about back channel inventory, I wonder how much is sitting around? Must be quite a lot.
 
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Are there any streams/liveblogs for the AMD panels today?
There's a freesync one happening right now (Anandtech just posted an article) and there's on one DX12 performance in 1 hour.

By the time June rolls around, AMD's market will have shrunk even more.
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Then when they do finally get around to releasing 390X, NVIDIA will pounce on them with 980 Ti
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By the time June rolls around Nvidia will be teasing their new GPU series, based on GM200 including the 980 Ti and probably others.
Everyone who waited for Fiji will then be more interested in Nvidia's new line-up.

There was a window, AMD is about to miss it.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
Are there any streams/liveblogs for the AMD panels today?
There's a freesync one happening right now (Anandtech just posted an article) and there's on one DX12 performance in 1 hour.



By the time June rolls around Nvidia will be teasing their new GPU series, based on GM200 including the 980 Ti and probably others.
Everyone who waited for Fiji will then be more interested in Nvidia's new line-up.

There was a window, AMD is about to miss it.
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Yup that window is closing and Computex is too far away. Really bad move by AMD for not unveiling the 390x in some form. I thought this Lisa Su lady was supposed to be some really smart CEO? She's making stupid mistakes already. She needs to take a page out of Jen Hsun's playbook. By unveiling Titan X at Epic's event, it showed the world NVIDIA is in the driver seat and has a lock on one of the biggest and most influential game engine developers around. That kite demo running with Titan X was just icing on the cake.
 
5150Joker said:
Yup that window is closing and Computex is too far away. Really bad move by AMD for not unveiling the 390x in some form. I thought this Lisa Su lady was supposed to be some really smart CEO? She's making stupid mistakes already. She needs to take a page out of Jen Hsun's playbook. By unveiling Titan X at Epic's event, it showed the world NVIDIA is in the driver seat and has a lock on one of the biggest and most influential game engine developers around. That kite demo running with Titan X was just icing on the cake.
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Thats why AMD pays YOU the big bucks, to second guess their leaders...

back seat CEOs, there one in every bunch.
 
If I buy a few Titan Xs, the R9-390X will have to be stupid fast for me to replace them after 2-3 months, much faster than they'd have to be to get me to buy them if they came out at the same time as the Titan X.

AMD would be MUCH better off releasing the R9-390X at the same time as the Titan X and would ensure the highest sales of their highest margin parts if they did so. Launching in June will result in substantially less of these high margin parts being sold.
 
lutjens said:
If I buy a few Titan Xs, the R9-390X will have to be stupid fast for me to replace them after 2-3 months, much faster than they'd have to be to get me to buy them if they came out at the same time as the Titan X.

AMD would be MUCH better off releasing the R9-390X at the same time as the Titan X and would ensure the highest sales of their highest margin parts if they did so. Launching in June will result in substantially less of these high margin parts being sold.
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If the Titan X is $1,300 (as rumored) and the 390X matches it for $500-$600ish then AMD can take as long as they want. At least until Nvidia is prepared to launch consumer-level GM200's.
AMD has a good history of under-cutting Nvidia by about half, in that pricepoint.

I'm not saying it'll happen, but condemning AMD's timeframe on a GPU series we know very little about seems preemptive. We already had multiple rumors putting the 390X 40%+ over the 980, granted they were 'proven fake' it's still something to think about.
 
5150Joker said:
By the time June rolls around, AMD's market will have shrunk even more. They're probably sitting at 20% right now so I'm guessing by H2 they'll be lucky to be at 15% if NVIDIA happens to slash the prices on the 980/970 after Titan hits the market. Then when they do finally get around to releasing 390X, NVIDIA will pounce on them with 980 Ti. Is anyone optimistic that AMD will get back to 30-40%? I don't think they ever will.
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Steam currently shows AMD at 28.6% and those numbers have been only slowly trending down for AMD at the rate of about 2% in 9 months. While not every dGPU user plays games on Steam, their population is large enough that I believe it can give you a fairly safe representation of the community.
So unless hundreds of thousand of people are planning on buying dGPU and going NV specifically I do not see your numbers coming true for a long time. However let's say that a huge storm fries all those video cards and people need to buy new ones all of a sudden, how many of them do you think are going to be buying at the level of the 970/980? Not as many as you would think, remember [H] is not representative of the general PC populace.

NV will not slash prices on the 980/970 because of Titan X, they are completely separate market segments (mainstream vs compute). Besides the last Titan was $1000 as was the one before that. The 980 Ti will most likely come in around $700-800 mark depending on what the market looks like with regard what AMD finally brings to the table.



5150Joker said:
Yup that window is closing and Computex is too far away. Really bad move by AMD for not unveiling the 390x in some form. I thought this Lisa Su lady was supposed to be some really smart CEO? She's making stupid mistakes already. She needs to take a page out of Jen Hsun's playbook. By unveiling Titan X at Epic's event, it showed the world NVIDIA is in the driver seat and has a lock on one of the biggest and most influential game engine developers around. That kite demo running with Titan X was just icing on the cake.
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Biggest and most influential can be true but really depends on what platform you are talking about currently. Where UE4 will shine is mobile with the majority of gamers and where NV really wants to be if their chips didn't suck for a few generations causing them to be the pariah (compare early Tegra chips to PowerVR, etc). As I have said before they are starting to get serious in this market and Epic did them a great favor by sharing the stage with them. In regards to the PC space I do not see them as influential as they once were with many other great engines to compete with but this may sway a little in their favor now that their engine is free.


TaintedSquirrel said:
By the time June rolls around Nvidia will be teasing their new GPU series, based on GM200 including the 980 Ti and probably others.
Everyone who waited for Fiji will then be more interested in Nvidia's new line-up.

There was a window, AMD is about to miss it.
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I think NV already has the 980 Ti ready to go, but no sense in releasing it now with no competition except themselves. Titan will cost an absurd amount as it is intended for a different audience than gamers (see price of previous Titans) and I do not think AMD will have a direct answer to the Titan X. NV does not want AMD to leave the dGPU market just like Intel does not want AMD to leave CPU market. Monopolies are closely regulated and they can lose a lot of their power overnight. Instead Intel now enjoys relaxed product cycles with mild performance improvements because they are far ahead...NV would like that as well.
I do agree that AMD is missing out on some sales from people getting tax refunds and doing upgrades. This market stagnation stinks for everyone but NV as they have high-end (980) and mid-high (970), although AMD still has some good offerings in the lower segments but those products have less profit margin and less markup generally.

Sucks to be the consumer right now unless you want 1.5 year old tech or overpriced mediocre GPU (980/970 could have easily been so much more). AMD could really use something more viable in the laptop market as well.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
If the Titan X is $1,300 (as rumored) and the 390X matches it for $500-$600ish then AMD can take as long as they want. At least until Nvidia is prepared to launch consumer-level GM200's.
AMD has a good history of under-cutting Nvidia by about half, in that pricepoint.

I'm not saying it'll happen, but condemning AMD's timeframe on a GPU series we know very little about seems preemptive. We already had multiple rumors putting the 390X 40%+ over the 980, granted they were 'proven fake' it's still something to think about.
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That was just literally someone making a bar graph with random number though tbh.

I would guess the 390x would be about 45% better than a 290x or 25% better than the 980's. 40%+ over the 980 would be unlikely
 
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I think the driver overhead is the issue and is part of the reason why they are not releasing the product just yet. I also think this is why we haven't seen any updated drivers as of late. I bet these new drivers unlock quite a bit of performance at the lower resolutions.
 
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