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I'm not sure why the White House is trying to convince gamers to sign up for healthcare, isn't it mandatory? Seems like a waste of resources.

We’re excited to work with eSports and other high-profile members of the video game industry to remind people there are only a few days left to sign up for health insurance coverage. We encourage folks to beat the crowd by visiting the website today and to sign up for quality, affordable health insurance through HealthCare.gov by February 15.
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Because without the youth, en mass, signing up for healthcare than the system will forever be hemorrhaging cash. In the end, they'll simply threaten the American sheeple with insane "fines", gradually increasing year after year until they are signed up. Grats!
 
All those Cheetos and Mt. Dew, important they're not using the ER alone for their premature heart attacks without insurance. ;)
 
I don't care if they bring in hot lingerie models, I'm *not* going to sign up for this garbage. Obama and his sycophants can go take a flying leap.
 
TwistedAegis said:
All those Cheetos and Mt. Dew, important they're not using the ER alone for their premature heart attacks without insurance. ;)
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They only want the illegal immigrants to use the ER for free while having the citizens footing the bill.

I wish these politicians would be put in the shoes of the general public for a few years. That may give them a little taste of what life is really like instead of continually forcing their social experiments on everybody but themselves.
 
That is the reason congress excepted themselves from this awesome plan. If it was so great they would be the first in line.
 
I'm a gamer, except I have employer health coverage so this whole law did nothing for me except probably cost my employer more money (who probably passes the cost on to employees through reduced salary increases).
 
It is amazing how much people argue over this subject. Bottom line, god forbid that you have a serious health problem or bad accident, unless you have deep pockets your fucked without health insurance. And it's been that way for a long time now.
 
ep0x73 said:
That is the reason congress excepted themselves from this awesome plan. If it was so great they would be the first in line.
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Of course they did. Who would want to give up their "Cadillac" health plans paid for by the taxpaying-plebs? For the people in Congress who are so against redistributing wealth, they sure like appropriating the wealth of others when it benefits themselves.
 
heatlesssun said:
It is amazing how much people argue over this subject. Bottom line, god forbid that you have a serious health problem or bad accident, unless you have deep pockets your fucked without health insurance. And it's been that way for a long time now.
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This will raise price floors over time, increasing demand without increasing supply.

Rationalize force any way you want, this will not change.
 
ep0x73 said:
That is the reason congress excepted themselves from this awesome plan. If it was so great they would be the first in line.
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Absolutely. Congress should get the same plan as the average American citizen, no more of this Cadillac health plan. If it's good enough for us, it's good enough for them.
 
Still not getting it.
Healthcare is a privileged, not a right.

Obamacare is a band-aid solution to a broken system that should've targeted the industry to force them to lower the rates for care.

Forcing people to get it or fine them is theft and those that support it are thieves having the government rob us for them so they can have a "cheaper" rate.

If I need care I'll get care and pay for it out of my own pocket instead of paying monthly for coverage IF I need it. My life, my health, my choice. I am not a criminal, but to the government we are.
 
Even though its mandatory if they get people to actually buy it the Obama administration can say "SEE!!!! PEOPLE LOVE THIS SHIT!"
 
aardvark sandwich said:
This will raise price floors over time, increasing demand without increasing supply.

Rationalize force any way you want, this will not change.
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Sounds like you've never had to deal with a serious health issue. I'm not rationalizing force but common sense.
 
Ah, I see.

The use of force inherit in a government program is conditional to my particular life experience. That's an interesting take.




Oh, and I have rheumatoid arthritis and private health insurance. It was supplied to me as part of a private contract between me and the organization I sold my labor to, and their private contract with a private health care provider. No force necessary.
 
Damn preorders :p .....I am surprised they didn't work out a deal with M$ for some sort of achievement for signing up
 
aardvark sandwich said:
Ah, I see.

The use of force inherit in a government program is conditional to my particular life experience. That's an interesting take.




Oh, and I have rheumatoid arthritis and private health insurance. It was supplied to me as part of a private contract between me and the organization I sold my labor to, and their private contract with a private health care provider. No force necessary.
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Sorry to hear that. Pain sucks. But you're only reinforcing my point. It's irrelevant what the government says in that if you get sick or hurt and stuck with a huge bill that you can't pay without insurance then what?

To me this is 1000 times more force than what government is doing here. Unless you like being sick, in pain and/or broke.
 
Because the society I'd like to live in has a bunch of sick people unable to contribute, and/or spreading sickness. Sounds great.
 
heatlesssun said:
It is amazing how much people argue over this subject. Bottom line, god forbid that you have a serious health problem or bad accident, unless you have deep pockets your fucked without health insurance. And it's been that way for a long time now.
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But this Law didn't reduce any costs, it just forces people to pay for everyone who can't pay for themselves. Who out there who already had insurance didn't see their rates go up and their paychecks drop?
 
heatlesssun said:
Sorry to hear that. Pain sucks. But you're only reinforcing my point. It's irrelevant what the government says in that if you get sick or hurt and stuck with a huge bill that you can't pay without insurance then what?

To me this is 1000 times more force than what government is doing here. Unless you like being sick, in pain and/or broke.
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I think you're intentionally ignoring my point.

We're done here.
 
heatlesssun said:
Sounds like you've never had to deal with a serious health issue. I'm not rationalizing force but common sense.
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Having to deal with a serious health issue is absolutely immaterial to this question.

Healthcare should not be a right guaranteed to people who will not work to provide it for themselves. Now I am not saying there are not people who need help, but Obamacare drew no lines of distinction, if you don't have your own healthcare plan then you must sign up for this.

Now I doubt most people would pass on healthcare coverage but still, what gives those assholes the right to dictate that you will have individual healthcare coverage?
 
lcpiper said:
But this Law didn't reduce any costs, it just forces people to pay for everyone who can't pay for themselves. Who out there who already had insurance didn't see their rates go up and their paychecks drop?
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Actually our rates when down but deductible went up so if when don't need more expensive procedures we save quite a bit but pay more for actual use. So that has encouraged us to use an HSA.
 
heatlesssun said:
Sorry to hear that. Pain sucks. But you're only reinforcing my point. It's irrelevant what the government says in that if you get sick or hurt and stuck with a huge bill that you can't pay without insurance then what?

To me this is 1000 times more force than what government is doing here. Unless you like being sick, in pain and/or broke.
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You don't know what the hell you're talking about.


If you're poor, you'll qualify for Medicaid.

If not then you pay over time, or don't pay, and file chapter 7 bankruptcy which wipes out all your unsecured debt like medical bills and credit cards.

If healthcare is a "right" that working taxpayers have to pick up the bill for, then how is HOUSING not a "right"? CLOTHING is pretty important as well.

You might be perfectly healthy and be fine without medical care for some time, but without shelter or proper clothing you can't survive.
 
lcpiper said:
But this Law didn't reduce any costs, it just forces people to pay for everyone who can't pay for themselves. Who out there who already had insurance didn't see their rates go up and their paychecks drop?
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I don't disagree, not a huge fan of it either. But it would have been nice to see the Republicans come in and participate to make the plan better, rather than pout in the corner with an all or nothing approach. For example, rather than being hooked up to tubes and dying a horrible death in a hospital (something like 90% of healthcare costs coming in the last 6 months of life), having real conversations about hospice and end of life care could have significant cost benefits - but those got labeled "death panels".

That being said, since Obamacare (and correlation doesn't necessarily equal causation) healthcare inflation has dropped substantially. Healthcare costs have been growing at insane rates for years now, that isn't something new.

Would have loved to see a very low baseline basic coverage for single-payer, with emergency "black swan" type of coverage for major events, and then people with money can then buy whatever the hell upgrades on the private market. Instead we just tacked on to the existing system and made it even more complex.
 
lcpiper said:
Having to deal with a serious health issue is absolutely immaterial to this question.
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It's absolutely material to the matter. Here's the thing. I have no problem with the right opposing this. But they're never honest about what they'd do. If you're sick and don't have insurance or money, fine. Then like anything else that a person can't pay for then they just don't get it. I'm fine with that. But right wing politicians never have the guts to say this.
 
...and when then die in their gaming chair instead of going to the doc, the insurance company keeps the cash, muahahahaha!
 
GlowingGhoul said:
If you're poor, you'll qualify for Medicaid.
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Love it when right wingers bring up Medicaid. A program that ultimately right wingers hate even more so than Medicare.

GlowingGhoul said:
If not then you pay over time, or don't pay, and file chapter 7 bankruptcy which wipes out all your unsecured debt like medical bills and credit cards.
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So it's better to use the force of government to wipe out people's debts than for people to pay into a system where that wouldn't be as necessary?
 
402blownstroker said:
Not any more. It is a God given right to all Americans now. Hell even non Americans. I just wish I could pay more for this gift from the Choosen One.
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what does that mean, that healthcare is a right? what does the word "right" mean in this context, exactly?
 
anybody that knows anything about insurance knows that it ONLY works if everyone buys it BEFORE they need it. You can't wait until your house is burned down to buy fire insurance.

the ACA also fails basic economics. You can't increase demand for a good, and keep supply relatively fixed, and have the price go down. Sorry - you can't cheat the fundamental laws of econ.
 
America has the best healthcare, but unfortunately has the worst delivery system.
1st world tech, 3rd world distribution!

Sure, governments telling you what to do raises and eyebrow, but when some governments do all they can to have corporations run the show to their advantage, what do you think will happen?

Before Obamacare, there was a chasm between private AWESOMEcare if you could afford it, and private SHITTYcare with huge deductibles, preexisting conditions exclusion clauses. The shiz!

Let the private sector take care of the problem. Yeah! Whatever! Just like in the broadband business these days!

In the end, it doesn't matter how good your health care is if not everyone has access to it.
 
spintroniX said:
what does that mean, that healthcare is a right? what does the word "right" mean in this context, exactly?
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Yeah, I would raise the question if the meaning changes when used in context of 'rights' of corporations to rip people off.
 
spintroniX said:
what does that mean, that healthcare is a right? what does the word "right" mean in this context, exactly?
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So before this law did we just leave people in the street to die if they were hit by a car even if they were poor and uninsured? Obviously there is some morality involved in rendering at least urgent medical assistance based on need that transcends politics and economics.
 
spintroniX said:
anybody that knows anything about insurance knows that it ONLY works if everyone buys it BEFORE they need it. You can't wait until your house is burned down to buy fire insurance.
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It's this idea, which came out of a conservative think tank a big part of the ACA?

spintroniX said:
the ACA also fails basic economics. You can't increase demand for a good, and keep supply relatively fixed, and have the price go down. Sorry - you can't cheat the fundamental laws of econ.
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How many people put off going to the doctor because they're worried about the cost and then something that was easier to treat becomes much worse?
 
lcpiper said:
Healthcare should not be a right guaranteed to people who will not work to provide it for themselves. Now I am not saying there are not people who need help, but Obamacare drew no lines of distinction, if you don't have your own healthcare plan then you must sign up for this.

Now I doubt most people would pass on healthcare coverage but still, what gives those assholes the right to dictate that you will have individual healthcare coverage?
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Before Obamacare, Individual healthcare coverage was already a right guaranteed to all with no lines of distinction, under EMTALA. The assholes who passed that law - Ronald Reagan and the Republican Party - did not fund it, forcing hospitals to shift the costs of providing care to all who enter an ER to those who do pay for insurance.
 
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