Windows 10 Tech Preview is available

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Happy Hopping said:
Are you really saying this or did you hear some inside news from some1?
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Rumors from around various sites. Last major version of Windows with the newer model being a continuously updating OS (like a service pack style model).
 
why on earth would mircosoft do that? How do they make $ from that point on? Most average consumers will stuck to Win 10. And how can they charge for new licence when it's a simple add on module.
 
Happy Hopping said:
why on earth would mircosoft do that? How do they make $ from that point on? Most average consumers will stuck to Win 10. And how can they charge for new licence when it's a simple add on module.
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They will start to milk you on features. Pay a monthly fee for this and that like Office 365.
 
Happy Hopping said:
why on earth would mircosoft do that? How do they make $ from that point on? Most average consumers will stuck to Win 10. And how can they charge for new licence when it's a simple add on module.
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TBH they can already do it, the vast majority of customers do not upgrade windows they buy a computer and stick with whatever OS it has until they change computers. MS has always had a 1 computer limit on OEM copies of windows. The problem is MS has always made it easy to get around this limit. So all MS has to do is start more strictly enforcing this limit and it will deter a large amount of people who would abuse upgrade loopholes.

This is another reason why it would actually work for MS to give windows 10 away for free to all windows 7 users. It would get millions of them to upgrade and get way more computers capable of running RT applications but the OEM sales MS has always had would keep coming in. They would just lose that usual bonus money they get from the few people who drop $400 on the windows vista ultimate upgrade.

Also now days iOS and android are showing how "giving away" an OS can be successful in getting you control of software distribution channels. Now personally I am not sure this will last long term but its a viable model currently. MS could release windows for free to everyone then just try to make money off of software sales, movies, music, applications etc.... Then they offer an upcharge to businesses that need more security and control. IE the pro/enterprise versions of windows.
 
Happy Hopping said:
why on earth would mircosoft do that? How do they make $ from that point on? Most average consumers will stuck to Win 10. And how can they charge for new licence when it's a simple add on module.
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Subscriber model, probably bare bones free, to entice people in and features cost money.

By the way guys in terms of people willing to use an obselete OS, its more common than you may think, I was rolling out sha256 security on a server, and had to roll back because so many clients on that server were using a OS older than XP SP3, so not only were they using XP but they didnt even have the latest service pack on, as I understand it is because in that country piracy is very high and vista onwards had activation. As you may imagine malware infections are also high.
 
MrCrispy said:
I've run every Windows beta/preview build on my primary pc - Longhorn, Vista, the M builds for Win 7, Win 8 etc. And none of those has been as buggy/unstable as Win 10, which is very troubling.

I have a brand new Core i7 pc and it doesn't really feel any faster or different than Win 8.1 Pro other than the Start menu and visual theme. I've had major instabilities due to video drivers installed by Windows Update, WinSxs expanding to fill my entire SSD because it kept on downloading the same driver over and over again resulting in 100's of copies which I had to then delete manually using driver store explorer, monitors not waking from sleep, still no support for per-monitor dpi, in fact there's hardly anything new at this point.

I know the Consumer preview in late Jan/Feb will be new, but I was at least expecting builds to be stable till then.
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My view is windows 10 preview is stabler than windows 8 was.

However we are not going to see super stable new software with a rapid release model, which is what microsoft have now moved to, this is not unique to microsoft. every single version of android I have used e.g. is plagued with bugs of some sort. IF a new android fixes one bug it introduces another, firefox since it went rapid release quality has gone sharply downhill. Sadly modern software seems to follow rapid release mechanisms.
 
MrCrispy said:
I've run every Windows beta/preview build on my primary pc - Longhorn, Vista, the M builds for Win 7, Win 8 etc. And none of those has been as buggy/unstable as Win 10, which is very troubling.
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I highly doubt you ran very many builds of Longhorn. It was incredibly unstable during most of its development.

The Windows 10 preview seems normal for pre-beta, honestly.

MrCrispy said:
still no support for per-monitor dpi
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Windows 8.1 already supports per-monitor DPI...

MrCrispy said:
I know the Consumer preview in late Jan/Feb will be new, but I was at least expecting builds to be stable till then.
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Why would you expect something that's not even up to a beta release to be stable? :confused:
 
pcjunkie said:
What are you like 10 years old?
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Yep, created my [H] account before I was even conceived.

Your complaint, most likely, has nothing to do with the OS being 64 bit. Windows has been primarily 64 bit since Vista. How much more notice do you need to keep you from whining about needing more notice?
 
Tawnos said:
Yep, created my [H] account before I was even conceived.

Your complaint, most likely, has nothing to do with the OS being 64 bit. Windows has been primarily 64 bit since Vista. How much more notice do you need to keep you from whining about needing more notice?
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Yep the reality is that the move to 64bit now has nothing to do with notice its just like the digital TV transition the people who have not moved yet will not ever move period until they are forced to do so. They don't care and there is nothing more to it. Any idiot out there has known that sooner or later the 64bit transition was coming and has in excess of a decade to set their software right and they have refused to do so.

Reminds me of a machine I have at work. It runs XP embedded and our work cut it off from the network. I looked back at when we bough the machine. Funny thing was we bought it after windows vista was out several years. So I call the company and ask if they have any option to upgrade to a later version of windows so our network admins will let it connect and they are like no but if it gets a virus you can send it to use and we will format it for around $300. And that is my only option, format it over and over or lose all its network connectivity. Same exact thing happened with windows XP in general how many years has MS been hounding people to get off XP? Nothing happened then when they finally cut it off was the first time we FINALLY started to see people move on. And even then many don't and cutting them off of the network or losing support they need from third parties is the only thing working.
 
chrcoluk said:
My view is windows 10 preview is stabler than windows 8 was.

However we are not going to see super stable new software with a rapid release model, which is what microsoft have now moved to, this is not unique to microsoft. every single version of android I have used e.g. is plagued with bugs of some sort. IF a new android fixes one bug it introduces another, firefox since it went rapid release quality has gone sharply downhill. Sadly modern software seems to follow rapid release mechanisms.
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I shrunk my Win10 drive and rolled a Win8.1 in for dual boot, allowing me to easily pick up where I left off when they release a new build. The newest build was just way too unstable for any actual work. Occasionally I'd get fits where explorer would keep crashing. Photoshop started crashing after a little bit of us. Certain apps don't work yet (sandboxie for one). But the final straw was when I needed to fire up a VBox VM and found out that it's incredibly unstable if you can get it to run at all on the latest build.
 
Office365 is a pretty great value, I really don't get the persistent hatred for anything MS on the Internet.

$99 (and I've seen deals for cheaper) for 5 pc's with 1TB storage/year is an amazing value, considering you'll be paying Google that much just for the storage alone. 365 personal is also very cheap. Its cheaper than buying retail boxed copies, unless you kept the same version for a very very long time.

Windows needs to evolve from a model where a large number of people run older versions and don't update it.
 
As long as they offer both a standalone and subscription version, I don't see anything wrong with them providing a subscription version for those that want to use its features. Subscription really is the only viable way to sell a work product with online functionality. Microtransactions only work for gaming. Can you just imagine microtransactions in the workplace?

"That will be 0.99 to share this Word file per person."
"That will be 1.99 to save this Excel file to the cloud for a year."
"Access to this file on Onedrive from an unauthorized computer will be 0.99."
"You need to buy this $4.99 DLC to activate formula functionality in Excel."
 
MrCrispy said:
Office365 is a pretty great value, I really don't get the persistent hatred for anything MS on the Internet.

$99 (and I've seen deals for cheaper) for 5 pc's with 1TB storage/year is an amazing value, considering you'll be paying Google that much just for the storage alone. 365 personal is also very cheap. Its cheaper than buying retail boxed copies, unless you kept the same version for a very very long time.

Windows needs to evolve from a model where a large number of people run older versions and don't update it.
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The OneDrive storage is now unlimited.
 
heatlesssun said:
Office 365 isn't functionally limited.
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It is to me.

I don't consider being forced to create an account just to create a spreadsheet a "feature".
I don't consider being forced to be online to use it a "feature". I also don't like being forced to pay similar amounts of money for something i can't own, i'm clearly buying SOMETHING. Something that MS claim to be oh-so-valuable and smite the pirates etc etc Yet they ask top dollar for something they simply copy a billion times over with less then a click of a button yet give me "nothing" when its time for it to be of value to me.
 
This goes for more then just MS btw. This Cloud BS combined with this ever increasing need to force software to only work if connected to the internet and the increasing desire for them to give slaps in the face with rental "combinations" is a huge disgrace, its just an insult to the users. Of late.. the ones jumping on this rental model can eat a d. They all want their cake and wish to eat it to.
 
Why do you guys feed the mac troll boonie?

O365 is good value if you have a group of people like a family to share, they still have holes in their price points but its great if you have 4 or 5 computers you want to use it on especially considering you wont ever again have to think about if its worth it to upgrade or not. I would really like to see them offer a similar product or add on price to O365 for windows which links to your MS account. The idea of never needing to enter a windows CD or find it and always having the option to have the latest OS is very attractive to me. Now days its just so much easier to be able to login and manage which computers have the right to run software. I generally leap frog OS versions so at any given point in time few if any of the computers in my house are older than 3 OS versions. Most are either the current version or the one before it.


Office 365 works offline Hoffy. They couldn't possible run this with businesses if it didn't.
 
Had to uninstal my 5 dollar special antivirus (web root 2015) it was making my pc crash left and right....guess ill just use the built in defender for time being.....havent had a single crash since uninstalling webroot so it must of been the correct fix. just an fyi in case anyone was having crashes with 9910
 
Flogger23m said:
I blame the fools who bought Office 365. They emboldened MS to go the subscription route.
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We have 4 PC's in our household.
Before I had to pay for 4 x Office licenses (4 x $400) = $1600
Now I pay 1 x Office 365 = $99

I sure feel like a "fool" ;)
 
Factum said:
We have 4 PC's in our household.
Before I had to pay for 4 x Office licenses (4 x $400) = $1600
Now I pay 1 x Office 365 = $99

I sure feel like a "fool" ;)
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Office is released every 3 years. So, $1600/3 = ~$533 annually. Still a much better deal with Office 365. But, make it an even comparison. I guess for the same price, you'd be stuck with Office 97...
 
I used 10, really liked it, faced no issues with media players except KODI so went back to XBMC. Rest all worked fine. Switched back to 8.1 as the updates on 10 sometimes took 30 mins and there is no option to disable it. 10 will be a hit imo.

PS: No games tested.
 
Well, if you don't need outlook, publisher, and access, Office 2013 is $140 per license.
 
Tsumi said:
Well, if you don't need outlook, publisher, and access, Office 2013 is $140 per license.
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That comes closer. $560 for the 3-4 years vs. $300-400 for 365. It all comes down to your usage, though. For some, buying Office 2013 and using it for 6-8 years works great. Some people are still using Office 2003 and are happy with it. But, if you're constantly upgrading to the newer version, 365 is a better deal, especially for a multi-user environment (home, small office).
 
Factum said:
We have 4 PC's in our household.
Before I had to pay for 4 x Office licenses (4 x $400) = $1600
Now I pay 1 x Office 365 = $99

I sure feel like a "fool" ;)
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Yes you are when you can have libreoffice for free. :p
 
B00nie said:
Yes you are when you can have libreoffice for free. :p
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Except LibreOffice is far from a 100% plug and play replacement for Microsoft Office. If LibreOffice gets the job done for someone then great. If your documents have value and if you work with lots of Microsoft Office documents then playing it cheap with something like LibreOffice might very well end up costing much more in time and headaches than paying for Office.
 
heatlesssun said:
Except LibreOffice is far from a 100% plug and play replacement for Microsoft Office. If LibreOffice gets the job done for someone then great. If your documents have value and if you work with lots of Microsoft Office documents then playing it cheap with something like LibreOffice might very well end up costing much more in time and headaches than paying for Office.
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For most users out there, Libre Office is a 100% plug and play replacement for Microsoft Office.

If you're running a larger business and you need all of the bells and whistles then MS Office is probably the better choice. If you're someone who's using it on your personal device or a smaller business and you just need the simple functionality of a word processor, spreadsheet program, and presentation program, then it makes more sense to just use Libre Office and save the licensing fees that would be required by having to pay Microsoft. The vast majority of home users don't need Access, Outlook, Publisher, Visio, Project, or Sharepoint.
 
Lord Nassirbannipal said:
For most users out there, Libre Office is a 100% plug and play replacement for Microsoft Office.

If you're running a larger business and you need all of the bells and whistles then MS Office is probably the better choice. If you're someone who's using it on your personal device or a smaller business and you just need the simple functionality of a word processor, spreadsheet program, and presentation program, then it makes more sense to just use Libre Office and save the licensing fees that would be required by having to pay Microsoft. The vast majority of home users don't need Access, Outlook, Publisher, Visio, Project, or Sharepoint.
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Exactly. I have been using Libreoffice for years also at work and there is maybe 1 case in 100 where it can't handle the document - and even then the document is some monstrosity that should never exist. Excel based applications are the death of busineses, they all break sooner than later. Most common scenario is that the person who created that 'business critical' excel dies or switches jobs and the company suddenly realizes all their business know how just disappeared lol.
 
B00nie said:
Exactly. I have been using Libreoffice for years also at work and there is maybe 1 case in 100 where it can't handle the document - and even then the document is some monstrosity that should never exist. Excel based applications are the death of busineses, they all break sooner than later. Most common scenario is that the person who created that 'business critical' excel dies or switches jobs and the company suddenly realizes all their business know how just disappeared lol.
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Also, as you can see here at the bottom section of the page, there have also been several large deployments of Libre Office by cities, governments, military, and corporations:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice

If they can do without MS Office then it's safe to say that the average user who is doing their office work on a personal desktop or laptop can function with Libre Office. It's unlikely that they have any add-ins or macros that won't work properly.
 
Lord Nassirbannipal said:
If they can do without MS Office then it's safe to say that the average user who is doing their office work on a personal desktop or laptop can function with Libre Office. It's unlikely that they have any add-ins or macros that won't work properly.
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Office is really a platform these days and it has native clients across most major platforms including a web client so I think it's hard to nail down what is average anymore. Certainly a person editing a Office document these days on an iPad is pretty average. Of for that matter, even using Office on a cheap Windows 8.1 tablet.

Microsoft bundled a free one year subscription to Office 365 Personal with a ton of cheap Windows devices this holiday, many which were tablets. While desktop Office 2013 isn't ideal with touch it beats the snot out of LibreOffice in that area. And on these cheap 1 GB Atom devices Office runs considerably better as well.

At the end of the day, the price of Office compared to what it does and the cost of the labor that uses it peanuts. If LibreOffice and other free attainment solutions saved companies tons of money relative to other costs they'd have moved to the solutions in droves long ago. There's nothing new about these free Office solutions and I think they've regressed over the years compared to Office. Microsoft has made tons of mistakes with Windows and Xbox and its mobile platforms, but they just have made those kinds of mistakes with Office. Office isn't perfect but when compared to what it can do versus the competition it blows them out of the water.
 
Anyone can do without MS office if they force the issue, for most when you are already paying employees 10s to 100s of thousands of dollars a couple hundred for MS office is nothing. Even in a small business its simply not worth the hassle to deal with libre office when all the large and other small businesses you interact with also use MS office. Now all of that only considers the lame employees who don't know what they are doing, when you get into more advanced capabilities and integration MS office blows libre office out of the way. If someone sells out the productivity of their entire work force to save a couple bucks all that is, is a bad IT manager trying to put a mark on his resume that said saved $X per year, and doesn't mention productivity losses. Trust me I know I had my years when I just tried to save money didn't work out and the amount of time I lost dealing with open source office wasn't worth it, same crap happened to me with photo editing and image manipulation gimp never gets popular for a reason.
 
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