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North Korea is currently under a mass cyber attack? A.) It's Sony retaliating. B.) Serves them right. C.) I didn't know they even had the internet in North Korea.

Internet connectivity between North Korea and the outside world, though never robust to begin with, is currently suffering one of its worst outages in recent memory, suggesting that the country may be enduring a mass cyber attack a few days after President Obama warned the US would launch a "proportional response" to North Korea's hack against Sony.
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So Bob how do we attack North Korea?


Well let me tell you Tom. We are going to give them Data.


What do you mean Bob?

Well Tom, proportional right? They stole 100TB of Data from Sony right?

Yea bob that's right.

Well Tom, we will give them 100TB of Data... Per Hour.. for the next 5 years.

Bob... that's.. they can't handle that much.

Tom, I know.. it will take down their internet.

Bob, you are a genius.
 
D. Ten people got online at once.

Seriously though, there should be a big budget show that shows us cyber warfare in a cool format. Pew, pew, pew. Packets attacking packets, code overriding other code, etc.
 
I'm probably missing something here, but when does a government get involved to defend a corporate entity?
 
Oh man, I bet North Korea's Big Red Verizon loves the data overage charges...
 
Got to get my popcorn ready.

US says we will retailiate and yep we do it.
 
mr_zen256 said:
I'm probably missing something here, but when does a government get involved to defend a corporate entity?
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They fairly frequently do. Sony calls the FBI to assist in determining who performed the attack, it it was someone inside the US they'd be charged with crimes, if its international, you interact with whatever channels have been developed.

The problem here is that more than likely the very entity that handles that process had a hand in performing it.
 
Since they have almost no internet, how much damage can a cyber attack do? People in North Korea are lucky if they even have electricity.
 
china or someone else is playing us as a fool. Or, they didn't pay the hackers what they owed so they are retaliating. I doubt the feds are behind this.
 
I hope its some sort of private group and not a government response. Keep government out of my internets i say
 
BladeVenom said:
Since they have almost no internet, how much damage can a cyber attack do? People in North Korea are lucky if they even have electricity.
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the average North Korean doesn't have access to it but the government (and lil Kim) does

I'm probably missing something here, but when does a government get involved to defend a corporate entity?
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When laws are broken, the govt usually steps in :p

I'm sure this also brings up national security concerns as well. Nothing good can come from settings a precedent that nation states can hack a large corporation and publicly blackmail them into doing their bidding. It would make the stock market very unstable me thinks among other far reaching consequences.
 
xJ321x said:
D. Ten people got online at once.

Seriously though, there should be a big budget show that shows us cyber warfare in a cool format. Pew, pew, pew. Packets attacking packets, code overriding other code, etc.
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Digital dogs living with digital cats too!
 
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dr.stevil said:
the average North Korean doesn't have access to it but the government (and lil Kim) does



When laws are broken, the govt usually steps in :p

I'm sure this also brings up national security concerns as well. Nothing good can come from settings a precedent that nation states can hack a large corporation and publicly blackmail them into doing their bidding. It would make the stock market very unstable me thinks among other far reaching consequences.
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Even before Citizens United, US corporations were afforded the same protections from outside aggressors as US citizens. Military responses have occurred in Central/South America and the Middle East in response to various groups that were deemed a threat to US corporate interests. There is a rather detailed accounting of several examples in Stephen Kinzer's Overthrow: America's Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq.

I'm not advocating one way or the other for those examples; I'm just pointing out that the precedent has long been established. Where it does make sense is in a situation where a nation-state engages in an active campaign to hack into the computer networks of a corporate entity like when the Wall Street Journal alleged that they were hacked by the Chinese government. If your personal computer were hacked by someone and they stole personally identifiable information from you, you would probably want a response by law enforcement, whether they were able to use your stolen identity or not. In the case of multinational corporations, the response involves the federal government, since international relations are generally considered outside the scope of states' authority.

Of course, when all else fails, follow the money...
 
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BladeVenom said:
Since they have almost no internet, how much damage can a cyber attack do? People in North Korea are lucky if they even have electricity.
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I won't matter to most people in North Korea, since they don't even have computers. This will mainly affect the elite 1% that are allowed to have access.
 
xJ321x said:
D. Ten people got online at once.

Seriously though, there should be a big budget show that shows us cyber warfare in a cool format. Pew, pew, pew. Packets attacking packets, code overriding other code, etc.
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I'm pretty sure the CIA are using payphones located near the DMZ to slam NK's dial-up modems so that they can overload the system and get in during a reboot security vulnerability.


But seriously, there's a movie called Blackhat coming out next month. Wouldn't it have been ironic if Sony was releasing that one too?
 
Kim is playing a game he hasn't got a chance of winning, not unexpected of a leader surrounded by yes men (putting it lightly lol).

And this will have no effect on the people of NK, they don't have internet, only the political elite, and even them I would suspect are heavily monitored.
 
Extremely poor decision on our part, from a defense standpoint. Showed our hand to the world (Russia, and China I'm looking at you,) and now they know our preferred method of attack, and origination points.

So at any point they decide to get cute, we are effectively neutralize.
 
mrrogers747 said:
Extremely poor decision on our part, from a defense standpoint. Showed our hand to the world (Russia, and China I'm looking at you,) and now they know our preferred method of attack, and origination points.

So at any point they decide to get cute, we are effectively neutralize.
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And you know all this how, exactly? This is simply a "proportionate" response and not all-out cyber war.
 
Because we're 'murica. Shock and awe, punish the damn near defenseless country in a show of force.

Makes us incredibly weak to China, who only wants to work with us as a chess move to learn our strategies for when it inevitably turns against us.

TwistedAegis said:
And you know all this how, exactly? This is simply a "proportionate" response and not all-out cyber war.
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mrrogers747 said:
Because we're 'murica. Shock and awe, punish the damn near defenseless country in a show of force.

Makes us incredibly weak to China, who only wants to work with us as a chess move to learn our strategies for when it inevitably turns against us.
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Lol, need my wife to pick up some more tinfoil while she's at the store, or is the inside of your house, and your head, completely covered?
 
In terms of defending a corporate interest, I would understand it if by "retaliation" he was alluding to some kind of legal response as dictated by international law. The wording used sounds more like there will be a counter cyber attack. With that said, Perhaps I am being a bit naive in thinking that North Korea has any interest in conforming with international law.
 
mr_zen256 said:
I'm probably missing something here, but when does a government get involved to defend a corporate entity?
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Remember when some fanatics flew planes into the WTC? Why did the gov't get involved then? The gov't is treating this is a digital terrorist attack.
 
I this was a USA response it sets a bad precedence. why? simple

First off even with the info we do have on the attackers there is no direct link to NK government. So if this was proving a point it would be the wrong approach as we are not targeting the attacker group responsible but rather the whole country.

this would than change what would be as OB put it just cyber vandals, to a war like act of aggression.

Think about that... if we had it the other way and US was on the other end they would not take to kind if china or some other nation in response managed to take down the internet.. that would in US books constitute war.

There are better ways to deal with this then a show of force. If it turns out to be a small group of hackers its going to make us all look like a bunch of cyber terrorists for taking down a countries internet.
 
There is a simple solution to this :

Simply have IANA/ICANN revoke North Korea's IP address assignments and AS numbers. Since they don't allow their citizens to have internet, and the only thing they use the internet for is hacking other people, I see no reason why they should be allowed on the internet.
 
Said one North Korean who asked not to be identified, "Now how am I supposed to work in the rice paddies all day long, trudging through shin-deep water and planting seeds if I can't stay connected to the Internet and the constant stream of wisdom that emanates from the mouth of our Glorious Leader? I feel cut off, empty. I don't know what to do."
 
I have to apologize, it's all my fault. I was uploading a Linux iso to a friend there and it must be too much data.
 
BladeVenom said:
Since they have almost no internet, how much damage can a cyber attack do? People in North Korea are lucky if they even have electricity.
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Exactly, only the rich and powerful and of course, military entities entrust have internet so it hurts exactly the folks who deserve it and doesn't hurt the poor innocents this country suppresses.

It's perfect ;)
 
Darcschnider said:
I this was a USA response it sets a bad precedence. why? simple

First off even with the info we do have on the attackers there is no direct link to NK government. So if this was proving a point it would be the wrong approach as we are not targeting the attacker group responsible but rather the whole country.

this would than change what would be as OB put it just cyber vandals, to a war like act of aggression.

Think about that... if we had it the other way and US was on the other end they would not take to kind if china or some other nation in response managed to take down the internet.. that would in US books constitute war.

There are better ways to deal with this then a show of force. If it turns out to be a small group of hackers its going to make us all look like a bunch of cyber terrorists for taking down a countries internet.
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Well now, since no one else but their Military related Cyber Warfare people have this capability then your wrong, it's a perfectly targeted response.
 
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