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Is this really what is considered "white male privelege?" All people of all races and genders talk like this in their own circles. It's called being human.
Imagine that you're in your 20's, leaving a bar, so drunk you can't see or walk straight.

You call an uber and get a ride home. Almost never will something bad happen to you along the way.


Now imagine the same thing but this time it's your attractive female sister in her 20's. More often than not something bad will not happen to you. But if the uber driver rapes her, or tries to rape her, what would your response be?

a) I'm going to fucking kill that guy
b) why would you call an uber when you're too drunk to comprehend what's going on
c) what did you do to instigate his behavior
d) suck it up, at least we're not in the middle east or you'd be dead

b is what people are referring to when they talk about white, male privilege. the fact that sometimes women can't do things that are perfectly normal for men to do and we don't really think about it because the dangers aren't particularly tangible for us

c and d seem to be acceptable responses to violence against women in this country when it comes to women we don't know, like Anita or Brianna

I think a is what everyone in this thread would think if placed in that situation

anita explores things that occur in popular media, her interest is in video games whereas other people explore it elsewhere like movies and books and television, that make it more likely for people to believe c and d when it comes to women they don't know
 
Imagine that you're in your 20's, leaving a bar, so drunk you can't see or walk straight.

Happens to dudes ALL the time. They end up robbed, assaulted, in the hospital or dead.

Typical response by other men in that situation: "Are you fucking stupid? Why would you do something so irresponsible?"

Looks, we all get it, you are white knighting Anita and she can do no wrong...that doesn't make ALL OF US wrong. We are all not misogynistic, sexist bastards just because you don't agree with us. We are all not rapists and creeps just because it suits your point.

And THAT sir, is one of the biggest problems us "privileged males" have with this entire thing.
 
Imagine that you're in your 20's, leaving a bar, so drunk you can't see or walk straight.

You call an uber and get a ride home. Almost never will something bad happen to you along the way.


Now imagine the same thing but this time it's your attractive female sister in her 20's. More often than not something bad will not happen to you. But if the uber driver rapes her, or tries to rape her, what would your response be?

a) I'm going to fucking kill that guy
b) why would you call an uber when you're too drunk to comprehend what's going on
c) what did you do to instigate his behavior
d) suck it up, at least we're not in the middle east or you'd be dead

b is what people are referring to when they talk about white, male privilege. the fact that sometimes women can't do things that are perfectly normal for men to do and we don't really think about it because the dangers aren't particularly tangible for us

c and d seem to be acceptable responses to violence against women in this country when it comes to women we don't know, like Anita or Brianna

I think a is what everyone in this thread would think if placed in that situation

anita explores things that occur in popular media, her interest is in video games whereas other people explore it elsewhere like movies and books and television, that make it more likely for people to believe c and d when it comes to women they don't know
But B would be the same response I would have to anyone who gets too intoxicated and uses a service like Uber. It doesn't have to be rape, it could be robbery or assault of any kind. Frankly, I have no respect for anyone regardless of race or gender who would do such a thing.

But does this excuse the actions of the attacker? No.
Do I think these people had it coming? No.
Do I think the outcome is a direct result of the victim's poor judgement? Yes.
Would I stand up for a friend or relative who was victimized in this manner? Yes.
Will I go to the news media or internet to sensationalize the story and try to shut down the entire Uber service as a result of one person's actions? Of course not.

I'm a firm believer in personal responsibility. I can't speak for the reactions of other people.

Anita's work would be fine as editorial. But it is propped up and shopped around as academia, as proof of problems within society with video games as a catalyst. Unfortunately when her work is held to academic standards, it fails on several fronts.
 
Imagine that you're in your 20's, leaving a bar, so drunk you can't see or walk straight.

You call an uber and get a ride home. Almost never will something bad happen to you along the way.


Now imagine the same thing but this time it's your attractive female sister in her 20's. More often than not something bad will not happen to you. But if the uber driver rapes her, or tries to rape her, what would your response be?

a) I'm going to fucking kill that guy
b) why would you call an uber when you're too drunk to comprehend what's going on
c) what did you do to instigate his behavior
d) suck it up, at least we're not in the middle east or you'd be dead

b is what people are referring to when they talk about white, male privilege. the fact that sometimes women can't do things that are perfectly normal for men to do and we don't really think about it because the dangers aren't particularly tangible for us

c and d seem to be acceptable responses to violence against women in this country when it comes to women we don't know, like Anita or Brianna

I think a is what everyone in this thread would think if placed in that situation

anita explores things that occur in popular media, her interest is in video games whereas other people explore it elsewhere like movies and books and television, that make it more likely for people to believe c and d when it comes to women they don't know

what an inane argument.

b) i would call an uber because i'm too drunk to drive. plain and simple. same thing could happen in a taxi cab, not sure why you picked uber.

c) this is rape we're talking about here. if my sister was going to get raped, i think the reason he did it would be the least of my or her worries.

d) nobody in the first world thinks like this. wtf are you talking about?
 
Do women actually believe they are the only ones who get harassed in the gaming social circles? Just joining an online game is an opening for harassment regardless of your gender, or race. People are just assholes online and only a moron would expect otherwise based on your gender.

What I feel that this is really about, is women are treated as special in the real world because dudes are trying to sleep with them. The second they go online they realize just how evil people are to each other and think it's just because they are women.

I do feel the video had some points, less then ten good ones... I have a few friends that are girls and they have never complained about the assholish-ness that the internet has been.
You hit the nail on the head with that one gafferking. ^^
Women act like they get 2nd or something in this country, but really Men gots to do all the heavy lifting... I'm still lookin' for a girl that will actually pull her own weight.
2nd or 1st doesn't exist. Its just who you are and what you want to be. Put some effort into it people.
Be happy ladies you aren't in the middle east were you can gang raped like 30 times a day and NO FUCKS to be GIVEN...
 
Anita's work would be fine as editorial. But it is propped up and shopped around as academia, as proof of problems within society with video games as a catalyst. Unfortunately when her work is held to academic standards, it fails on several fronts.
I don't really have much to say in defense of her project. I haven't paid much attention to it. I've been interpreting it as editorial in so far as I see threads on this board talking about it. I was simply answering your questions about what is or is not so called white privilege and someone else directly asking me what it has to do with video games specifically. All I really know about her is that she seems to have an interest in video games and has taken some courses in feminist theory and is trying to make what she learned and thinks about the topic consumable to people who aren't knowledgable about the topic.

I have my doctorate in a somewhat related field, crime and violence and I do discuss how much violence occurs in this country against women and children compared to other countries (among other things, but that's at least one aspect of the research I do). along the way to earning that degree I took classes in sociological theory and feminist critique was among those courses. I could have a discussion with her about some of her work that I find problematic but it doesn't matter. I just viewed her as someone excited about some concepts she learned and wants to share. I certainly don't view her as having any particular academic expertise in this area.

Anyway, again, don't take my responses to your direct questions as carrying anyone's water. I simply took your questions as being asked in good faith so I was responding to them with examples I thought you would be familiar.
 
what an inane argument.

b) i would call an uber because i'm too drunk to drive. plain and simple. same thing could happen in a taxi cab, not sure why you picked uber.

c) this is rape we're talking about here. if my sister was going to get raped, i think the reason he did it would be the least of my or her worries.

d) nobody in the first world thinks like this. wtf are you talking about?
I've read over thousands of court transcripts in the course of my professional career and c and d happen frequently enough in court proceedings that if you think it's so rare to wonder what the fuck I'm talking about it would make your blood boil.
 
Are you seriously incapable of making a distinction between "threats" like that compared to events like someone digging up your personal information and posting it online for every single nutjob on the planet with internet access to obtain? Or when some nutjobs actually do take the time to show up outside your work and post pictures of them doing so on social media? And the people in those pictures haven't been kids, FYI...

Plenty of psycho nutjobs who don't ply their trade in video games. Referencing a few extreme cases to try to make an issue out to be a widespread issue is laughable.

...not to mention there is a very real difference between anyone shouting to me that they want to rape me when they're angry versus shouting that to women...you know...because lots of women *do* get forcibly raped in any given year?

Is there? Really? If you really really think there's a difference, you're part of the problem.

I don't live in fear of being robbed *and* raped every time the sun goes down.

No sane person living in America does.

Women live their lives in perpetual fear...or at least they *should* if they're smart about how the world works...

If you truly believe this, you are off your goddamn rocker.

Now imagine the same thing but this time it's your attractive female sister in her 20's. More often than not something bad will not happen to you.

You are, quite possibly, certifiably insane.
 
a) I'm going to fucking kill that guy
b) why would you call an uber when you're too drunk to comprehend what's going on
c) what did you do to instigate his behavior
d) suck it up, at least we're not in the middle east or you'd be dead

b is what people are referring to when they talk about white, male privilege.
Because an Asian male would have a different experience with the taxi compared to a white male how? You guys are like a broken record "white CIS male bastard! kill yourself! patriarchy!" without bothering to activate a few neurons and listen to yourselves. And a gay taxi driver wouldn't try to rape a passed out young attractive guy's plump apple bottom?

Or is the argument that "white devil males" are promoting raping women? Its a stupid straw man argument. Its called personal responsibility. I don't walk around the ghetto acting drunk showing off a really expensive watch or fall asleep on a park bench with my laptop in plain view, because, that's stupid. Does it mean that I advocate robbery? Of course not! But that doesn't mean I won't call a retard a retard for not taking personal responsibility for putting himself or herself through negligence in a bad situation. Criminals do crime, this isn't a new thing, and no the police can never hope to prevent all crime. And don't pretend that young beautiful women don't take advantage of that same "annoying" sexual attraction every. single. day.

Fact is, feminists want all the advantages of being a man, but with none of the responsibility, accountability, or true equal treatment and standards that are applied to men... and of course they won't give up their "female privilege", and yes there is a list a mile long. Easier scholarships, won't get carted off to war, first off a sinking ship, get doors opened for you, drinks purchased for you, date pays for movie tickets/food/etc, virtually no risk of rejection when dating since the male is typically left to be the pursuer, if you're ugly you can just hide it with makeup and plastic surgery, can hit a man without risk of being hit back (and if they do, police will always side with you and lock him up), in child support cases men pay at over 90% women at under 10% in the rare instances the court actually requires it, can flash your tits at a party in public without being labeled a sex offender, get out of traffic tickets by crying, working is entirely optional so if you fail at life you can just find a guy with money to support you, if you are horny you need only go to a bar and stand on a table and say who wants to take me home and pick your favorite, and on and on.

These days, if a woman wants to experience even a fraction of the "normal mode" challenge that is life, she just has to be ugly. Then there is no risk of rape, unwanted sexual advances, and she'll have to rely on her brain to actually develop a career, but she'll still have all the helping hands available such as hiring quotas and scholarships and the like in male dominated industries like engineering and math, where other women express little interest.

If they want to be taken seriously, they need to stop calling themselves feminists (the "patriarchy" doesn't have masculanists), call themselves egalitarians, and preach TRUE equality where a woman is treated exactly the same as a man in all circumstances.

Otherwise, stop being a hypocrite pretending to have moral authority. Feminism IS about female power, privilege, and entitlement. Nothing less. Feminists demand the same, and more rights than men, but don't demand the same responsibilities.
 
If they want to be taken seriously, they need to stop calling themselves feminists (the "patriarchy" doesn't have masculanists), call themselves egalitarians, and preach TRUE equality where a woman is treated exactly the same as a man in all circumstances.

If you want to be treated the same, stop trying to be so different!
 
Identity politics promotes the identification of victims and oppressors not on an individual basis, but based on membership in various groups. It asserts my cousin who had his hand crushed working in a mine is an oppressor while Oprah and the Obama daughters are "oppressed".

You don't get to opt in or out of identity politics because your individual rights, beliefs and achievements are nothing compared to the "cause". Women and Minorities who lean right are not free thinking individuals or merely dissidents, they are "traitors" to their gender/race.

Identity politics is quite literally and concretely the politics of judging people by the color of their skin instead of the content of their character.

If I am a white male then I have two choices - remain as an agent of the oppressive patriarchy or ceremonially castrate myself and bow before the gendercidal radfem zealots and beg their indulgence (that I may merely exist) and forgiveness for being something I did not choose and cannot change and atone for things I did not do, to people I have never met in places I have never been during a time I was not alive.

This is the point of the video. My genetic makeup is evil embodied. My choices are irrelevant and my innocence is not a defense. My gender makes me a rapist, my color makes me a racist and on top of that, I'm "privileged" - oh yes, so very very privileged, but I'm so blissfully privileged that I'm blind to my privileges.

I don't fear what these people can do to me as much as I fear what they are trying to do to my sons and all the other children that dare commit the sin of being born male.

WOW, I have to save this post for future arguments...good stuff.
 
Happens to dudes ALL the time. They end up robbed, assaulted, in the hospital or dead.

Typical response by other men in that situation: "Are you fucking stupid? Why would you do something so irresponsible?"

Looks, we all get it, you are white knighting Anita and she can do no wrong...that doesn't make ALL OF US wrong. We are all not misogynistic, sexist bastards just because you don't agree with us. We are all not rapists and creeps just because it suits your point.

And THAT sir, is one of the biggest problems us "privileged males" have with this entire thing.
male on male violence absolutely happens all the time. in fact I pointed out in my earlier post that males are much more often violent to one another than to women.

the two things, male on male violence and male on female violence, are not mutually exclusive though.

male on male violence doesn't govern my day to day behavior. even though, statistically, it should. but when I walk into my office I don't have much concern about being sexually assaulted. when I go out to bars I don't have a particularly strong concern about being assaulted sexually or otherwise. yet I know many normal, non-feminist women who do have those fears and they aren't unfounded. they feel they have to be extra careful in their norma, day to day actions.

I didn't say anyone was misogynistic, sexist, evil, devils, or anything like that
I simply pointed out to some members that the fact that most of us men don't walk around in perpetual fear of our safety is what some people call male privilege.

statistically we probably *should* walk around in fear of our safety because we're actually at much higher risk of being victimized. but most of us do not. in fact someone just responded to my post about that and argued that I was "off my goddamn rocker" if I really believed that women should walk around in fear of their safety if they knew the data about risk.

if we look at ducman's examples then we get a pretty clear picture of how most men operate: going to wear this nice watch and if I happen to get in a shitty part of town and not pay attention to my surroundings then I better be careful about my stuff or someone is going to take advantage of me.

women, on the other hand, don't have to be doing anything wrong specifically to be targeted. they get targeted frequently just because they are women. we do not often get targeted specifically just because we are men. we get targeted because we have the nice watch, because we are too drunk to be paying attention, because we actively do something to present ourselves as a target. women are walking, passive targets and they have to adjust their behavior accordingly.



I'll take it out of the male vs. female perspective because that seems to be a bit close to home. but if we use motorcycles and pedestrians vs. cars some of us who ride will understand this concept of privilege better.

people who never ride bikes or walk places operate in a bubble of privilege. they don't know where all the blind spots are in their cars, they open their doors when they parallel park without thinking about who might be coming down the street, and they turn at lights without paying attention to who might be stepping off the curb or coming down the bike path or a motorcycle waiting to turn.

they don't think about those things because they don't have to. if someone opens a door in front of them they'll just rip it off and fuck up their fender. if someone turns in front of them at a stop light it smashes a bumper.

if you ride a bike on the freeway you probably learned very soon that you need to watch out for yourself because the cars aren't going to. just like if you drive an 18 wheeler you realize that almost all cars are going to do something stupid like creep up next to you at a light unless they've been a trucker or a trucker explained why they shouldn't do it.
 
I don't really have much to say in defense of her project. I haven't paid much attention to it. I've been interpreting it as editorial in so far as I see threads on this board talking about it. I was simply answering your questions about what is or is not so called white privilege and someone else directly asking me what it has to do with video games specifically. All I really know about her is that she seems to have an interest in video games and has taken some courses in feminist theory and is trying to make what she learned and thinks about the topic consumable to people who aren't knowledgable about the topic.

I have my doctorate in a somewhat related field, crime and violence and I do discuss how much violence occurs in this country against women and children compared to other countries (among other things, but that's at least one aspect of the research I do). along the way to earning that degree I took classes in sociological theory and feminist critique was among those courses. I could have a discussion with her about some of her work that I find problematic but it doesn't matter. I just viewed her as someone excited about some concepts she learned and wants to share. I certainly don't view her as having any particular academic expertise in this area.

Anyway, again, don't take my responses to your direct questions as carrying anyone's water. I simply took your questions as being asked in good faith so I was responding to them with examples I thought you would be familiar.
You gave me a possible real-life scenario, so I directly responded to it. Don't take it personally. Open debate like this is a healthy thing, in my opinion. I see your point of what you said, though. All people will react differently to the same situation, but the reaction of a few can't speak for the group as a whole. There is probably a good portion of the population that would agree with my response, but it doesn't make it the most correct or natural one. I trust you speak the truth as to your experience, so it compels me to respect the viewpoint from your experience.

Anita could very well have some very compelling arguments. I also think I would very much enjoy seeing a debate between herself and someone with opposing viewpoints. Unfortunately it seems like she is playing the victim card to gain popularity and make money at the same time.

If she were truly interested in issues plaguing women in the industry I don't think she would be going around telling the news to make a political statement that she fears for her life just because people are allowed to carry guns on a college campus. Instead of debate, she wants to be protected. Enough strawmen, let's focus on the real issues.

Her own Kickstarter for the "Tropes..." series advertised it as material that could be used in the field of academia. When you call your subject material something like that, it comes under the scrutiny of strict standards to make sure as much objectivity as possible comes through your work.

Anyway, to the point of making it consumable to the public. Well, this is the problem when you build material presentation around a preconceived outcome and only present a one-sided argument. People who exist outside of the culture being discussed will have no context as to the material content, and mirror the opinion of the presenter by the end. The added perception that Anita and FemFreq are an academic institution make the layman see them as an authoritative figure, so there would be no reason to question or research their conclusions. As a result you have those in the news media and popular culture believing that gamers are all misogynystic white males.
 
Identity politics promotes the identification of victims and oppressors not on an individual basis, but based on membership in various groups. It asserts my cousin who had his hand crushed working in a mine is an oppressor while Oprah and the Obama daughters are "oppressed".

You don't get to opt in or out of identity politics because your individual rights, beliefs and achievements are nothing compared to the "cause". Women and Minorities who lean right are not free thinking individuals or merely dissidents, they are "traitors" to their gender/race.

Identity politics is quite literally and concretely the politics of judging people by the color of their skin instead of the content of their character.

If I am a white male then I have two choices - remain as an agent of the oppressive patriarchy or ceremonially castrate myself and bow before the gendercidal radfem zealots and beg their indulgence (that I may merely exist) and forgiveness for being something I did not choose and cannot change and atone for things I did not do, to people I have never met in places I have never been during a time I was not alive.

This is the point of the video. My genetic makeup is evil embodied. My choices are irrelevant and my innocence is not a defense. My gender makes me a rapist, my color makes me a racist and on top of that, I'm "privileged" - oh yes, so very very privileged, but I'm so blissfully privileged that I'm blind to my privileges.

I don't fear what these people can do to me as much as I fear what they are trying to do to my sons and all the other children that dare commit the sin of being born male.

That's one of the most eloquent statements I've read on these forums about anything. /slowclap
 
There was an awesome post on Yahoo, that summarized most of our problems as, "America runs on over-reaction and hype". Basically, common sense has gone missing, and everyone seems too weak to throw down and take a stand for sensibility.

I've personally seen the slave limbless beggar kids and flowing shit gutters in India, and the back streets of Shanghai. It's hard to get excitied about any of these first world problems here in America.
 
it's unfortunate that doubletap's post is getting such accolades because it's not an accurate definition or description of identity politics.

all politics are identity politics.

he's conflating people using their positionality to judge others with identity politics in general.
he also seems to be conflating identity politics with racial politics and gender politics, but those aren't all the same things.

the reason a couple people questioned his use of MLK directly in response to hating identity politics is because Dr. King himself built his platform on identity politics and his entire agenda sprang from that reality. you'd have to understand how politics work and actually read his corpus of work in order to understand that, though.

if you agree with his sentiment that's one thing, just understand it's not a critique of identity politics themselves in general as he seems to think. in fact, the irony is that when you +1 his comment and unify behind the sentiment of hating identity politics you're engaging in identity politics :|
 
it's unfortunate that doubletap's post is getting such accolades because it's not an accurate definition or description of identity politics.

all politics are identity politics.

he's conflating people using their positionality to judge others with identity politics in general.
he also seems to be conflating identity politics with racial politics and gender politics, but those aren't all the same things.

the reason a couple people questioned his use of MLK directly in response to hating identity politics is because Dr. King himself built his platform on identity politics and his entire agenda sprang from that reality. you'd have to understand how politics work and actually read his corpus of work in order to understand that, though.

if you agree with his sentiment that's one thing, just understand it's not a critique of identity politics themselves in general as he seems to think. in fact, the irony is that when you +1 his comment and unify behind the sentiment of hating identity politics you're engaging in identity politics :|

You are not wrong.

But I am not writing a manual or encyclopedia of political terms.

I wrote a polemic.

And I stand by it.
 
male on male violence absolutely happens all the time. in fact I pointed out in my earlier post that males are much more often violent to one another than to women.

the two things, male on male violence and male on female violence, are not mutually exclusive though.

male on male violence doesn't govern my day to day behavior. even though, statistically, it should. but when I walk into my office I don't have much concern about being sexually assaulted. when I go out to bars I don't have a particularly strong concern about being assaulted sexually or otherwise. yet I know many normal, non-feminist women who do have those fears and they aren't unfounded. they feel they have to be extra careful in their norma, day to day actions.

I didn't say anyone was misogynistic, sexist, evil, devils, or anything like that
I simply pointed out to some members that the fact that most of us men don't walk around in perpetual fear of our safety is what some people call male privilege.

statistically we probably *should*
walk around in fear of our safety because we're actually at much higher risk of being victimized. it.

Why, then, do you seem to think it's helpful to say that women should be perpetually afraid "If they're smart"? Who is that helping? What problem is that solving? You admit that statistically speaking, men ought to be more afraid of being the victim of a violent crime than women and you call our lack of fear "privilege". If it's a privilege to not be afraid of being victimized, and if men should be(statistically, according to you) more afraid of being victimized than women, then shouldn't we be telling women to be *less* afraid so we can afford them that same privilege?
 
Why, then, do you seem to think it's helpful to say that women should be perpetually afraid "If they're smart"? Who is that helping? What problem is that solving? You admit that statistically speaking, men ought to be more afraid of being the victim of a violent crime than women and you call our lack of fear "privilege". If it's a privilege to not be afraid of being victimized, and if men should be(statistically, according to you) more afraid of being victimized than women, then shouldn't we be telling women to be *less* afraid so we can afford them that same privilege?
Let's go back to the motorcyclist or bicyclist vs. motorist example to understand this concept of "privilege"

a motorist does not need to worry about what happens to a biker when he opens his door on the street side after parallel parking. He doesn't even have to worry about another parallel parked motorist opening a door in his path when he's driving.

For all intents and purposes the motorist is a fairly safe traveler when facing the odds against other motorists when he is parking and when he is driving by someone who is parking.

A biker, however, does not have that luxury. A biker has to be acutely aware, not only of his own behavior, but also the behavior of motorists. The biker is not personally responsible for a motorist not paying attention to the biker, but if he doesn't pay attention to the motorist he bears the consequences of the motorist's actions.

So even though we believe that the biker is responsible for what he does and the motorist is responsible for what he does, the reality of the situation is if the motorist fails in his obligation to pay attention to his own behavior the biker is the one who gets hurt not the motorist. this shifts the responsibility of paying attention to the motorist's behavior, in real terms, to the biker.

now, statistically, more motorists kill other motorists than they do bikers.
but that does not mean the biker is more safe than he thinks he is. that does reduce the danger to a biker when he is riding down the street to the point where any reasonable person would argue the biker doesn't have a care in the world. if a biker rides down a street without a care in the world he is going to be putting himself in a lot of danger because, even if his chances are low of being hit by a door or a turning car, the one time it occurs he's going to be seriously injured.

It's not a rational response to tell bikers that simply because more motorists kill other motorists than they do bikers that he can enjoy the same beliefs about his safety that unobservant motorists enjoy...because he isn't surrounded by a big metal cage.
 
Let's go back to the motorcyclist or bicyclist vs. motorist example to understand this concept of "privilege"

Let's not, because it's flawed to the point of not making any sense.

http://journalistsresource.org/stud...nited-states-transportation-across-modes-time

"Motorcycles had a fatality rate of 212 per billion passenger miles, by far the highest of all modes: “A motorcyclist who traveled 15 miles every day for a year, had an astonishing 1 in 860 chance of dying — 29 times the risk for automobiles and light trucks.”"

They're not comparable because motorcyclists have a much higher risk of being involved in an accident, and have a much higher risk of being killed if they are in an accident. You said statistically, men should be more afraid than women of being the victim of a violent crime. Now what that means is that men are *more likely* to be the victim of a violent crime, not that more violent crimes are committed against men. In the case of men vs women and violent crime, those two statements are essentially the same because there are about as many men as there are women.

Based on your understanding of crime statistics, would you say that the rate of violent crime committed against women is significantly higher than the rate of violent crime committed against men? Because if you wouldn't say that, then I don't understand what you're trying to say. Either it's reasonable for women to be significantly more afraid of being victimized than men because they are significantly more likely to be the victim of a violent crime, or it's not. Based on most of your previous posts where you talked about statistics you seemed to be saying that it's not, but then you simultaneously seem to argue that despite that fact women should still be extra afraid(all the time, or they're not smart).
 
A lot of what they describe being done to female gamers sounds like something 12 year old boys would do and it's likely because much of it is being perpetrated by 12 year old boys.

I don't doubt that they are more obnoxious to female gamers just because they have something more unique to be obnoxious about, but as a male gamer, any community like this is no obnoxious anyway that I just mute voice chat.
 
I call bullshit on that Video. I couldn't watch it out. I just delete a who rant because I'd be dropping myself to the same level of the intellectually challenged feminist. The fact is men will chase after a woman no matter the situation. It could be at a LAN party or bar. Don't finger gamers for male chauvinistic behaviour. Don't blames Chauvinism for the lack of games aim at women. Simply put, women spend more money than men. If more women wanted games, the studios would be all over it. You're telling me that a studio made a game call "I Am Bread" rather than aim a game at the female target the female population because they rather be idiotic that make a buck? As for questioning credibility...Really? Women complain about some a'hole not dropping to their knees worshipping them as holier than thou gamers? Now they are just give value to the phrase "Being a Pussy".
 
*popcorn*

I'm glad I got to this thread late. That was a half hour of some solid entertainment.
 
Good discussion in here folks! I'm actually impressed it's been so civil given the topic and how some other threads on similar topics have gone. Bravo.

My 2 cents:

What is the point of even talking about the privilege of the sexes? Both males and females have privilege, as has also been pointed out in this thread. So what? We're two different sexes with different drives. Is it that surprising? Is it ever going to change?

No? Then why even talk about it?
 
Identity politics promotes the identification of victims and oppressors not on an individual basis, but based on membership in various groups. It asserts my cousin who had his hand crushed working in a mine is an oppressor while Oprah and the Obama daughters are "oppressed".

You don't get to opt in or out of identity politics because your individual rights, beliefs and achievements are nothing compared to the "cause". Women and Minorities who lean right are not free thinking individuals or merely dissidents, they are "traitors" to their gender/race.

Identity politics is quite literally and concretely the politics of judging people by the color of their skin instead of the content of their character.

If I am a white male then I have two choices - remain as an agent of the oppressive patriarchy or ceremonially castrate myself and bow before the gendercidal radfem zealots and beg their indulgence (that I may merely exist) and forgiveness for being something I did not choose and cannot change and atone for things I did not do, to people I have never met in places I have never been during a time I was not alive.

This is the point of the video. My genetic makeup is evil embodied. My choices are irrelevant and my innocence is not a defense. My gender makes me a rapist, my color makes me a racist and on top of that, I'm "privileged" - oh yes, so very very privileged, but I'm so blissfully privileged that I'm blind to my privileges.

I don't fear what these people can do to me as much as I fear what they are trying to do to my sons and all the other children that dare commit the sin of being born male.
Can I get an amen-ah! Praise Him! Hallelujah! *starts dancing southern baptist church style*
 
everyone gets so heavy with this..geze. Lets lighten this up a bit.
In the video i especially like:
2. My wife is the boss
3. I have a English dentist
10 Crazy eyes to match the hair
12 Think this fake moustache will let me buy beer?
14 I want to grow up and be a pirate
17 makes me think of there is Asian pacific cosby show
18 The camera shrinks your body or triples the size of your head
21 homeless gamers? who would of thought?
23 Morgan said i better do this or she would kick my ass.
24 the girl at the hair dressing place said i would look hot.
 
I think it's probably best to leave it at this. I'm not interested in picking nits.

Here we go again. Classic mope. Smug response after writing a couple dozen jargon filled paragraphs of ridiculous flawed arguments.
 
Just wondering, since the vast majority of nameless, faceless, meaningless "targets" in games are male and we kill them in every imaginable way, isn't it more correct to say that video game violence subjugates males more?

Also, garbage men, slaughter house workers and oil derrick workers can make a very respectable wage, yet FemFreq chooses to ignore then in her pleas for equality. Why pick only games and game design?
It appears that the larger agenda is to make women the dominant sex, and relegate men to supporting roles like truck drivers, plumbers, and yes, garbage men. A world ruled by women in all the positions of power and having all the cushy careers, while we men slave like the animals they think we are at the dirty jobs.
 
One of the points was that men can go to events and not get cat called at or advanced on...I mean, really? Pretty sure that's what the majority of women want based on the way they dress. The ones who dress modestly probably get a lot less of that.

What virtually no woman 'gets' is that she doesn't get to choose who will look at her, approach her or hit on her. Women very often dress provocatively as hell just to attract ONE GUY, the guy she wants. But she doesn't want anyone else to look at her or approach her. Oh, and she expects that ONE GUY to somehow know that it's him she's trying to attract, even though she doesn't even talk to him, just uses a bunch of non-verbal vague as hell subtle gestures that she thinks are obvious as flashing lights.
 
hmm i get abused on XBOX LIVE every time i go play a game and try to have fun after a hard weeks work. Does this mean i can make a video about how hard done by i am and create a #gamerskillfence or some such? :p

and yes.. i mean EVERY TIME. If its not verbal its a message for sure. Oh well.. it really does make you appreciate the nice message when you finally get one that isn't the same old rhetoric.
 
hmm i get abused on XBOX LIVE every time i go play a game and try to have fun after a hard weeks work. Does this mean i can make a video about how hard done by i am and create a #gamerskillfence or some such? :p

and yes.. i mean EVERY TIME. If its not verbal its a message for sure. Oh well.. it really does make you appreciate the nice message when you finally get one that isn't the same old rhetoric.

In all seriousness, if you report that person there is a chance that they will be investigated and banned from the service. But to do so takes some effort like the people who made the video.
 
I could never understand why women seem to prefer a small amount of abuse over no abuse at all.

One hypothesis I've heard is that societal expectations of women have led them to be ashamed of being sexually active ("slut shaming"), while men are considered to be successfully proving themselves as masculine when they are sexually active. Because of this disparity, women (1) become the "gatekeepers" of sex, less likely to sleep with a man, especially a 'nice' one, even though they might actually desire sex just as much. And (2), In an internal struggle, she might blame an aggressive man for taking advantage to soothe any guilt she might feel if she admitted to herself that she was also seeking no-strings sex. Thus, aggressive/abusive behaviour from men is actually rewarded.

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So some moron calls me a homo on a server. I'm not, they are an asshole, who cares what they say other than they are annoying. Someone says it to someone who is gay, and it's insulting because they said you are gay when you are gay? Unless you think being what you are is a total embarrassment (in which case, the problem is you), the real issue is there is a socially unpleasant person on the server.

Similarly, I'm sure plenty of straight guys have been told to get the sand out of their vagina, been accused of being on the rag, etc. It's untrue, but so what if you are female? Unless you are actually self-hating, and insulted by being female, you are simply being confronted by an asshole being an asshole. It's not like all the non-assholes stop, think, and suddenly are converted to thinking the truth of all things has finally been revealed.

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I see the point you're making, however you're overlooking something important. The fact that being gay, or being a woman, is being used as the basis for an insult in the first place, would offend and hurt you deeply if you were either of those things. It's not about hearing it once, it's about hearing it your whole life. When someone starts flinging that kind of shit around, it matters not if you are self-hating, but the fact that the world around you seemingly hates anyone of your description. You very quickly feel like everyone hates you, and that is one of the worst feelings there is.

Now, the reason it's difficult to relate (ie. imagining anyone hurting you deeply by mocking you for being a man - pretty hard to do) demonstrates something powerful as well if you think about it for a moment.
 
I see the point you're making, however you're overlooking something important. The fact that being gay, or being a woman, is being used as the basis for an insult in the first place, would offend and hurt you deeply if you were either of those things. It's not about hearing it once, it's about hearing it your whole life. When someone starts flinging that kind of shit around, it matters not if you are self-hating, but the fact that the world around you seemingly hates anyone of your description. You very quickly feel like everyone hates you, and that is one of the worst feelings there is.

Now, the reason it's difficult to relate (ie. imagining anyone hurting you deeply by mocking you for being a man - pretty hard to do) demonstrates something powerful as well if you think about it for a moment.

That doesn't apply to just gays and women though. If you want to be inclusive of everybody that an insult is derived from, you need to include "retards", "morons", "elitists", etc. I think I hear more insults derived from lack of intelligence than I do any other subgroup.

Does this mean that in 10 years, the next victim group will be people with IQ's lesser than 100?

The logical conclusion to all this pandering is in essence an imaginary utopia. The fact of the matter is that the natural tendency in human sociology is to form groups based on like-mindedness (in-groups) and to see everybody else as "different" (out-groups). That tendency is innate, and will never be extinguished. The best we can hope for is no physical violence between groups, anything beyond that is nothing but a pipe dream. But castigating someone for an innate tendency when they're not physically harming another person is simply stoking the flames for violence to flare up, especially when all the indicators point towards more acceptance and less violence towards differing opinions/viewpoints over the past several decades.
 
Boys are worse than girls?

I call bullshit!!!!

Let me know when hollywood makes a movie called "MEAN GUYS" oh wait, it's called "MEAN GIRLS" for a reason. Sure guys can be simple minded assholes, but you do women a disservice by believing they are nicer than men.

Equality means getting shit on just like everyone else gets.

Don't like being treated as an equal? Too bad, you get what you ask for. Men are assholes to each other; women are bitches to each other. For some reason men can't be assholes to women and women can't be bitches to men? Fuck off, too bad, that's equality; Equal amounts of douchebaggery regardless of everything else.

Or, do you prefer to be waited on hand and foot, mislead or just straight lied to in order to save your feelings, receive gifts, praise, adoration, and more for no reason other than physical characteristics you have ZERO decision in: the color of your skin, the size of your physical features, sound of your voice, symmetry of your face, etc...

Because if that is what you want, then you can go fuck yourself and your misguided sense of entitlement.

Respect is earned through actions, so is disdain.
 
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