25 Invisible Benefits of Gaming While Male

I see nothing inconsistent or incongruous in what I wrote. If you do, then make your case.
did you mean to say that you hate it when one's identity is used against another's?

that's the most charitable interpretation of your comment. the less charitable interpretation is that you simply don't understand what identity politics are.
 
I'm so sick and tired of the victimization of everything and everybody.

that's what a lot of people that understand the issue, think they know what it feels like, but will actually never truly be able to experience the feeling that they think is no big deal say.

if it's truly just that easy to ignore shit, get over it, and move on, then why can't all of the people that complain about having to listen to "victims" and having it constantly brought to their attention just ignore it, get over it, and move on?
 
Ok so a couple of those list items are untrue but many of them are in fact true; However 80% of the list items have nothing to do with video games. for example women also get sexually propositioned when they go to bars and clubs, women who engage in typically male sports (Danica Patrick for example) constantly have their abilities questioned and are frequently accused of engaging in those activities just to participate.

The reality is that the issues being described in this list are issues with society as a whole not with video games. men sexually objectify women they always have and most likely always will; and to be frank there's really nothing wrong with it as long as the objectification doesn't turn in to harassment. When I see an attractive woman I undress her with my eyes I stare at her body and so forth and you know what that's fine no one gets hurt; and I have never once complained about a women sexualizing or objectifying me. It does not happen very often but still the rare times that it does don't bug me

The reality is the people are human we are wired for sex and to think about sex and we can't turn it off the only difference and again this is a societal issue is that men from an early age are allowed even encouraged to express their sexuality and women are not ( and thus are more uncomfortable being sexualized) for example I have in fact had a random internet woman ask me to webcam with her (yes it happened only once every in 2 decades of online gaming but still) and despite the fact that I did not know her and her interest was purely sexual I was not offended and I didn't feel victimized in fact I was flattered I politely declined and that was the end of it.

All that having been said one issue that this video touches on that is real is the harassment having played online games for a very long time and I have seen women harassed and denigrated in ways that they never would have been if they were male. However that harassment has and I really want to emphasize this as it is my main issue with this list !!!NOTHING TO DO WITH VIDEO GAMES!!! none of the women I speak about were harassed by video games none of them were bullied by video games or threatened by video games. No they were all harassed by PEOPLE; And that is what really irritates me about this list World of Warcraft has never asked a girl to send nude pics every day for a month strait despite being told no and asked to please go away Call of Duty has never told a girl to stop playing and go back to making sandwiches, people playing those games sure have but that is an issue with the people not with the games just like 80+% of the things on this list.

(TLDR List describes problems with the way people treat on another not with video games)
 
What better way to disprove gender bias against women than to question the masculinity of the men in the video and then to ponder the possibility as to whether these men have seen women genitalia so eloquently defined as "pussy?"

if the intent was to troll some of you I think they succeeded. :D

You're right. I'm sure these guys have no trouble getting women at all. ehehe

The irony is they actually believe this tripe will assist them in their fruitless mating attempts. It won't. lmao
 
I didn't see much wrong with the video. Seemed kinda spot on to me. I don't have issues with respecting others when I game. By the same token I like to cheer a win with some choice words and take someone winning in stride.

As far as women receiving propositions for sexual favors in voice chat it has been a big issue for me as a GM for a number one guild before on a server in the PvP MMO Aion. I solved that quickly by giving a couple of the women praise in voice chat and posting their DPS numbers on our website. BTW they were some of the best tanks, DPS, and healers we had. Our guild would swarm you for weeks if you managed to kill one of our members out in the world. Even though everyone knew which of our players were female, they didn't F with them our they would have to deal with all of us. And that stance applied to voice chat also.

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Here is the leader of one of our sister Legions helping take a fort. Yes, Mewsette was godlike in the game. She would transform into a deity at forts to help us take them. Her transformation always ended in us taking the fort because we wouldn't her to die. Yes, it demoralized the opposite faction as we would post our voice chat logs from raids and they would hear this mature Asian female effusing about stomping them into a mud hole. Which she would do over and over for hours on in with glee.

I think that people just have to learn to respect one another when online. I squashed the racism, hate, and sexism while running the number one guild on my server. Everybody hated us because we took all of the resources and gear from outdoor bosses on the server. But they all respected us as individuals for our talents and collectively as a well run group.

That's what is missing in many of the poorly run guilds I've been in over the years. This was true especially in World of Warcraft. I've been in some that we had to stop the raid and kick someone because they kept posting dick pics in TeamSpeak when they would hear a female voice. The GM would side with the guy because the rule of thumb is that girls can't play and we needed all of the men for serious raiding.

Once again to prove a point, I took all of the castaway female gamers, along with some cool guys, and formed a raiding group. Some of the ladies were programmers, ran companies, grandmothers, disabled, etc. One of our High Warlords was a female and she wasn't allowed to raid with the guys without harassment. We defeated all of the hardmode content weeks before the "hardcore" groups within the guild were able to get past the second boss.

We had all of the achievements and were called hacks and worse because it was supposedly impossible to do on our RP server. What we did was show up on time, pay attention to detail, and made everyone accountable for their actions. That's it. Even in winning, we were ostracized by the so called elite because of the females in the group. So we ended up leaving the guild and finding other games to play. Which was a really F'ed situation.

So I personally don't take offense to the video. I think that having females represented in gaming is a good thing. I don't think every title should appeal to everyone just as every movie has it's own audience. But their should be enough varied content that there is something for everyone to choose from. I can't wait for the day when nobody notices any of these "injustices" because gaming has evolved like the movie industry where there is something for everyone.

Thought it was worth posting about. If you made it through, kudos to you! :)
 
Once again to prove a point, I took all of the castaway female gamers, along with some cool guys, and formed a raiding group. Some of the ladies were programmers, ran companies, grandmothers, disabled, etc. One of our High Warlords was a female and she wasn't allowed to raid with the guys without harassment. We defeated all of the hardmode content weeks before the "hardcore" groups within the guild were able to get past the second boss.

Sounds to me like you didn't put together a bunch of women that were ostracized because they were women, but because they were toxic. The kind of people that every guild has dealt with in the past. Only these were the typical kind of people that have victim complexes and when they were ostracized because of their toxic personality, they blame it on the fact they are women.
 
I didn't see much wrong with the video. Seemed kinda spot on to me. I don't have issues with respecting others when I game. By the same token I like to cheer a win with some choice words and take someone winning in stride.

As far as women receiving propositions for sexual favors in voice chat it has been a big issue for me as a GM for a number one guild before on a server in the PvP MMO Aion. I solved that quickly by giving a couple of the women praise in voice chat and posting their DPS numbers on our website. BTW they were some of the best tanks, DPS, and healers we had. Our guild would swarm you for weeks if you managed to kill one of our members out in the world. Even though everyone knew which of our players were female, they didn't F with them our they would have to deal with all of us. And that stance applied to voice chat also.

NO9SzQ5.jpg


Here is the leader of one of our sister Legions helping take a fort. Yes, Mewsette was godlike in the game. She would transform into a deity at forts to help us take them. Her transformation always ended in us taking the fort because we wouldn't her to die. Yes, it demoralized the opposite faction as we would post our voice chat logs from raids and they would hear this mature Asian female effusing about stomping them into a mud hole. Which she would do over and over for hours on in with glee.

I think that people just have to learn to respect one another when online. I squashed the racism, hate, and sexism while running the number one guild on my server. Everybody hated us because we took all of the resources and gear from outdoor bosses on the server. But they all respected us as individuals for our talents and collectively as a well run group.

That's what is missing in many of the poorly run guilds I've been in over the years. This was true especially in World of Warcraft. I've been in some that we had to stop the raid and kick someone because they kept posting dick pics in TeamSpeak when they would hear a female voice. The GM would side with the guy because the rule of thumb is that girls can't play and we needed all of the men for serious raiding.

Once again to prove a point, I took all of the castaway female gamers, along with some cool guys, and formed a raiding group. Some of the ladies were programmers, ran companies, grandmothers, disabled, etc. One of our High Warlords was a female and she wasn't allowed to raid with the guys without harassment. We defeated all of the hardmode content weeks before the "hardcore" groups within the guild were able to get past the second boss.

We had all of the achievements and were called hacks and worse because it was supposedly impossible to do on our RP server. What we did was show up on time, pay attention to detail, and made everyone accountable for their actions. That's it. Even in winning, we were ostracized by the so called elite because of the females in the group. So we ended up leaving the guild and finding other games to play. Which was a really F'ed situation.

So I personally don't take offense to the video. I think that having females represented in gaming is a good thing. I don't think every title should appeal to everyone just as every movie has it's own audience. But their should be enough varied content that there is something for everyone to choose from. I can't wait for the day when nobody notices any of these "injustices" because gaming has evolved like the movie industry where there is something for everyone.

Thought it was worth posting about. If you made it through, kudos to you! :)


That is a great story however like the video in the OP you are missing the point those women were harassed by people not by video games. I have played wow for almost a decade now and the game is one of the most inclusive games around the people that play it are not but that has nothing to do with video games. WOW did not harras those women people did and those same people would have harrased them in any other venue and that is really I think that is what has most gamers upset. the fact that games thate we lovew are being dragged into a debate that has nothing to do with them as many people here have said people are assholes, if you want too fix that great my god please fix it ill help you but leave video games out of it. Alternatively if you or Anita Sarkesian or anyone else has legitimate criticism of sexism in video games by all means feel free to voice but do not set video games up as a strawman to blame for the behavior of individuals it was disingenuous when conservatives tried to do it in the 90's and its is just as disingenuous now when Liberals are trying to do it.
 
I think they missed one. As a male gamer I can pee standing up and not get piss on my shoes.
 
Male, female, gay, straight, cis, unicorn, whatever -- you go into an online game lobby you WILL be subject to vitriol.
 
Sounds to me like you didn't put together a bunch of women that were ostracized because they were women, but because they were toxic. The kind of people that every guild has dealt with in the past. Only these were the typical kind of people that have victim complexes and when they were ostracized because of their toxic personality, they blame it on the fact they are women.

You're right. I'll inbox you some dick pics and tell me what you think of them while I heavy breathe and jack off on voice chat. Then if you complain about it I will get the GM to kick you because the raid content is more important, and women can't play games.

I suppose that you're right that those ladies were being toxic. I mean they could at least have upvoted the best looking dick.
 
I'm sure some of it is legit. But they speak in absolutes like these things always happen to women gamers. I haven't observed that to be the case.

The other problem is that they ignore that the alternative option for guys isn't "be happy and get exactly what you want without any problems or effort," but rather more like "you are swimming in a sea of assholes too, your problems will just be slightly different than the female gamers."

Almost all these things are about assholes being assholes. Guess what, if I find a decent server that isn't mied in the cock/fag gang, karaoke singers, and 11 year olds with tourettes, the shit they are stating as absolutes simply isn't there. Why? Because the problem isn't sexism, it's assholes. Assholes will use your gender to be an asshole to you. They will use your sexual orientation. They will make shit up.

So some moron calls me a homo on a server. I'm not, they are an asshole, who cares what they say other than they are annoying. Someone says it to someone who is gay, and it's insulting because they said you are gay when you are gay? Unless you think being what you are is a total embarrassment (in which case, the problem is you), the real issue is there is a socially unpleasant person on the server.

Similarly, I'm sure plenty of straight guys have been told to get the sand out of their vagina, been accused of being on the rag, etc. It's untrue, but so what if you are female? Unless you are actually self-hating, and insulted by being female, you are simply being confronted by an asshole being an asshole. It's not like all the non-assholes stop, think, and suddenly are converted to thinking the truth of all things has finally been revealed.

About the only gripe that is really true in the whole thing is that there IS a heck of a lot more media generated for male gamers by male gamers. Guess what... the cost of entry on the internet is REALLY FRIKIN LOW. If their is a desire for that content get off your asses and make it. Nobody magicked this pile of media into existence. In the early days, it was content made by enthusiasts for fellow enthusiasts, and it looked like the community. Now it has inertia some 40 years later, it's not like there's some club that meets and decides who gets to be talking about gaming. I'm sure the social jsutice warriers would love that to be the case, but it isn't so.
 
I'm going to invent some kind of controller requiring a penis to operate so I have an advantage just you wait
 
Talk about the "benefits" of being a certain sex. Women can go their entire lives without working. Think about that for a second...THEIR. ENTIRE. LIVES. WITHOUT. WORKING. just by getting married. The man supporting the woman has been the "norm" in this country since the beginning of time. Sure, men can marry for money too but it is overwhelmingly the other way around in this country. All this complaining over video games screams first world problems.

Also, speaking of the "norm," whether you are a male or female playing any online game, having some little kid scream "I JUST F*CKING RAPED YOU F*GGOT" and teabagging you after he kills you is the norm. Or five minute rants about "killing your entire family" after your team beats his team...is the norm. You DON'T MOVE OUT OF YOUR HOUSE and start taking donations on your website, you just mute the little bastard, block them and move on to the next match. If this bothers you, do what most of us do...quit playing CoD. :D
 
Also, speaking of the "norm," whether you are a male or female playing any online game, having some little kid scream "I JUST F*CKING RAPED YOU F*GGOT" and teabagging you after he kills you is the norm. Or five minute rants about "killing your entire family" after your team beats his team...is the norm. You DON'T MOVE OUT OF YOUR HOUSE and start taking donations on your website, you just mute the little bastard, block them and move on to the next match. If this bothers you, do what most of us do...quit playing CoD. :D

Yeah, I'd really like to see some of these insults and such in context. Considering what I, as a "privileged white male", have heard from these kiddies that haven't hit puberty yet, I'd be quite surprised if it's really all that different for a female. Some of us are just smart enough to not take it personally and mute, block, and ignore them.
 
This reminds me of Southpark:

"Look, people have it so good in America that they get bored very easily. And when people get bored they start protesting things."

First world problems, as mentioned before.
 
Yeah, I'd really like to see some of these insults and such in context. Considering what I, as a "privileged white male", have heard from these kiddies that haven't hit puberty yet, I'd be quite surprised if it's really all that different for a female. Some of us are just smart enough to not take it personally and mute, block, and ignore them.
Are you seriously incapable of making a distinction between "threats" like that compared to events like someone digging up your personal information and posting it online for every single nutjob on the planet with internet access to obtain? Or when some nutjobs actually do take the time to show up outside your work and post pictures of them doing so on social media? And the people in those pictures haven't been kids, FYI...

...not to mention there is a very real difference between anyone shouting to me that they want to rape me when they're angry versus shouting that to women...you know...because lots of women *do* get forcibly raped in any given year?

That's the entire problem with how people misunderstand their privilege.
At least, I don't feel the need to park in certain areas when I go shopping simply because I know that if I don't I could be targeted and harmed. When I go to a shitty part of town I pay attention to where I am because I don't want to get robbed...but I don't live in fear of being robbed *and* raped every time the sun goes down.

I don't feel the need to take my keys out of my pockets before I get to the parking structure because I know that someone might target me when I'm fumbling around in my purse.

I don't feel the need to carefully evaluate my clothes before I leave my home because my choices are going to be used as reasons to invite unwanted sexual comments, abuse, or even physical attack if I show too much skin or whatever some perv thinks is an opening for him. Do you feel that way when you leave your house each day?

Women live their lives in perpetual fear...or at least they *should* if they're smart about how the world works because men, and young men in particular, are the most dangerous and violent specimens of the human species. Most men are violent toward other men but sometimes they turn their violence toward women and when they do those women have historically not been protected by laws, institutions, or other men and in the past were even blamed for their own victimization.


It's so bizarre to see so many people in here minimizing the situation and reality of how much danger women face on a daily basis.

It's analogous to someone burglarizing your home or stealing your car and when you tell your friends at work someone responds that they don't understand why you feel violated and at risk because someone ate their leftover pizza from the work fridge the other day and they just got over it no biggie.
 
I was under the impression that was the basis for her project.

Identifying how violence against women gets embedded in our video games without overt intent because it's a constant backdrop in mainstream culture.
 
funny enough, I just realized we're both right because it's "not one" video but every video of hers that delves into the topic...but I don't think that's what you meant :)
 
I was under the impression that was the basis for her project.

The basis for her project was VIDEO GAME tropes.

I am positive the World Health Organization, women living in Iraq, Afghanistan, Nigeria and other places couldn't give two shits about how they are being represented in video games. WHO is actually trying to do something about the problem, FF makes money off of the "controversy."

funny enough, I just realized we're both right because it's "not one" video but every video of hers that delves into the topic...but I don't think that's what you meant :)

Try not to "think" about what I mean. Speaking for me on this topic is not a wise move.
 
Just wondering, since the vast majority of nameless, faceless, meaningless "targets" in games are male and we kill them in every imaginable way, isn't it more correct to say that video game violence subjugates males more?

Also, garbage men, slaughter house workers and oil derrick workers can make a very respectable wage, yet FemFreq chooses to ignore then in her pleas for equality. Why pick only games and game design?
 
funny enough, I just realized we're both right because it's "not one" video but every video of hers that delves into the topic...but I don't think that's what you meant :)

could you please address the point that this has nothing to do with videogames and everything to do with the fact that some people are assholes?
 
I'm sure some of it is legit. But they speak in absolutes like these things always happen to women gamers. I haven't observed that to be the case.
You obviously don't know the 3rd-wave and intersectional feminist mantra "Listen and Believe." As in, you don't have to know anything about the subject they're talking about, you just have to believe and take everything they say at face value. They use the basis of this idea to shoot down, attack and ostracize anyone who questions what they're presenting because there is no way for you to know what they go through. Even though we have years of real data, statistics, and scientific studies that point to what the scope of the real issues affecting woman in first-world countries are.

People like #FullMcIntosh justify their actions by saying you have to exaggerate, embellish, and lie to make real changes. All that type action does to common people is make them ignore your points or get angry. Global warming is a similar subject, in that there are real effects like rising sea levels and diminishing fresh water supplies that we can actually see to go along with the data. But then climate change supporters go out and say outlandish things like "The planet will be completely uninhabitable in 20 years." They started saying this exact line in the '70s and it hasn't changed to this day.
 
could you please address the point that this has nothing to do with videogames and everything to do with the fact that some people are assholes?
I haven't seen people attribute this issue causally to video games. The discussions I've seen are just about how video games are another place this occurs within. This is a panel of video game reviewers and developers talking about the issue in the space they are familiar with and enjoy: video gaming.

We could go to a car oriented form and find women talking about going to garages and seeing pin-up girls and men joking about how stupid they are around cars. They could say something like, I like to race cars and work on cars and I don't like those comments. It wouldn't make sense to conflate that concern with "how does this have anything to do with cars?" right? It would just be the venue the people are experiencing the issue, not that they are claiming it's directly related to racing or working on cars.

When it comes to the internet, however, the issue is certainly exacerbated by the anonymity afforded to netizens. I'm not sure how you can ignore that part of the equation.
 
I love how they constantly put themselves up on a soap-box, but then disable comments and ratings, so that no one else can voice their opinions on the matter.

I think they know full well they'd be downvoted into oblivion and would be unable to defend their nonsensical arguments which would be thumbed up to the top and make them look like idiots.
 
Why is Adam Sessler the only one who acts like they've talked in public before?
 
Yet, not ONE Feminist Frequency video about the issue. Not one. :( Just sayin'.

just saying means you got nothing that isn't vile and/or stupid

if your stance was as solid as you pretend you wouldn't need ridicule and to cherry pick articles or lack thereof

no problems like this exist at all cause they failed to take on some specific subject when theres a thousand to choose from, that's great

but since we are being smartasses and cp'ing the narrative, love to be a fly on the wall and see peeps trying to float these turds past jesus king of kikes knows a bit about being a "minority" and just saying isn't going to be sufficient when he wants answers
 
Why is Adam Sessler the only one who acts like they've talked in public before?

Because he is used to reading cue cards, the others are not. You'd think that if this were truly an issue that is close to home for ANY of them they wouldn't need to read cue cards. :(
 
I haven't seen people attribute this issue causally to video games. The discussions I've seen are just about how video games are another place this occurs within. This is a panel of video game reviewers and developers talking about the issue in the space they are familiar with and enjoy: video gaming.

We could go to a car oriented form and find women talking about going to garages and seeing pin-up girls and men joking about how stupid they are around cars. They could say something like, I like to race cars and work on cars and I don't like those comments. It wouldn't make sense to conflate that concern with "how does this have anything to do with cars?" right? It would just be the venue the people are experiencing the issue, not that they are claiming it's directly related to racing or working on cars.

When it comes to the internet, however, the issue is certainly exacerbated by the anonymity afforded to netizens. I'm not sure how you can ignore that part of the equation.
More to the point, how is any of that type of "shop talk" deemed harrassment or oppressive against women? Is this really what is considered "white male privelege?" All people of all races and genders talk like this in their own circles. It's called being human. Having hurt feelings isn't a reason to start a crusade to change the makeup of an entire industry.
 

All I am saying is that we live in a country where women are not considered property, women have the right to vote, they don't get stoned to death for wearing revealing clothing, they aren't beheaded or sentenced to life in prison for working or trying to get an education. All these things happen every day around the globe and here we are arguing that Mario rescuing Princess Peach is sexist.

Really? REALLY?!?!

If you want to effect change and truly help women around the globe, making a living complaining about "sexist" video games is not the way to go about it.

Just my opinion, your mileage may vary.
 
did you mean to say that you hate it when one's identity is used against another's?

that's the most charitable interpretation of your comment. the less charitable interpretation is that you simply don't understand what identity politics are.

Identity politics promotes the identification of victims and oppressors not on an individual basis, but based on membership in various groups. It asserts my cousin who had his hand crushed working in a mine is an oppressor while Oprah and the Obama daughters are "oppressed".

You don't get to opt in or out of identity politics because your individual rights, beliefs and achievements are nothing compared to the "cause". Women and Minorities who lean right are not free thinking individuals or merely dissidents, they are "traitors" to their gender/race.

Identity politics is quite literally and concretely the politics of judging people by the color of their skin instead of the content of their character.

If I am a white male then I have two choices - remain as an agent of the oppressive patriarchy or ceremonially castrate myself and bow before the gendercidal radfem zealots and beg their indulgence (that I may merely exist) and forgiveness for being something I did not choose and cannot change and atone for things I did not do, to people I have never met in places I have never been during a time I was not alive.

This is the point of the video. My genetic makeup is evil embodied. My choices are irrelevant and my innocence is not a defense. My gender makes me a rapist, my color makes me a racist and on top of that, I'm "privileged" - oh yes, so very very privileged, but I'm so blissfully privileged that I'm blind to my privileges.

I don't fear what these people can do to me as much as I fear what they are trying to do to my sons and all the other children that dare commit the sin of being born male.
 
All I am saying is that we live in a country where women are not considered property, women have the right to vote, they don't get stoned to death for wearing revealing clothing, they aren't beheaded or sentenced to life in prison for working or trying to get an education. All these things happen every day around the globe and here we are arguing that Mario rescuing Princess Peach is sexist.

Really? REALLY?!?!

If you want to effect change and truly help women around the globe, making a living complaining about "sexist" video games is not the way to go about it.

Just my opinion, your mileage may vary.

QFT

while i think our first world's treatment of women has a ways to go, women are undoubtedly treated more equally now than in any time in history.
 
All I am saying is that we live in a country where women are not considered property, women have the right to vote, they don't get stoned to death for wearing revealing clothing, they aren't beheaded or sentenced to life in prison for working or trying to get an education. All these things happen every day around the globe and here we are arguing that Mario rescuing Princess Peach is sexist.

Really? REALLY?!?!

If you want to effect change and truly help women around the globe, making a living complaining about "sexist" video games is not the way to go about it.

Just my opinion, your mileage may vary.

Spot on, Steve. Thank you.
 
All I am saying is that we live in a country where women are not considered property, women have the right to vote, they don't get stoned to death for wearing revealing clothing, they aren't beheaded or sentenced to life in prison for working or trying to get an education. All these things happen every day around the globe and here we are arguing that Mario rescuing Princess Peach is sexist.

Really? REALLY?!?!

If you want to effect change and truly help women around the globe, making a living complaining about "sexist" video games is not the way to go about it.

Just my opinion, your mileage may vary.


Can't +1 this enough...

They're aiming at a problem that isn't a problem while ignoring the real problem and that's what pisses the "normal" people off.
 
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