Gaming Journalism Is Over

drlawyer said:
As others have pointed out, she can have all the sex she wants with whomever she wants as often as she wants and I have no feeling about it whatsoever. I think it speaks poorly of her, however, that she designed a game that was so blasé that the only way she could get it hyped was to boink a bunch of reviewers. Do you think that reflects integrity on her part? Or on the part of the reviewers?
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She's a woman, so she's immune to criticism in the eyes of a SJW. White males have all the advantages, therefore all non-white-males should be perpetually exempted from any and all criticism.
 
dandragonrage said:
So why are these people not bitching about EA and other companies that buy a lot more reviews with a lot more money?
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Don't try to change the subject. You don't have an answer, so you deflect onto another unrelated issue. That's embarrassing and it says a lot about your credibility. Very, very telling.

Nobody here likes EA and similar companies with despicable business practices.
 
dandragonrage said:
So why are these people not bitching about EA and other companies that buy a lot more reviews with a lot more money? I've been bitching about shitty companies like EA for years and I certainly don't need their products, even the few of their games that might actually be decent. Some guy replied to me earlier and said that consumers don't want to think about the morality of a company and he is right to say that consumers don't do that. But consumers are wrong for not doing that. The ultimate regulation in Capitalism is on the consumer, and the method is the boycott. We have so many government regulations (which rarely work) because people think they shouldn't have to go through life actually using their brains, so they want people to do the work for them. Our corporations and politicians are corrupt because people don't care.

But half of you fucks will just find some woman to blame it on.
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You obviously missed the shitstorm over https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Gerstmann]Jeff Gerstmann's firing.

That being said, people who buy reviews with money aren't fanning the flames of controversy with deliberately provocative SJWing. The entire reason the Zoe Quinn thing is as controversial as it is is because the liberal thought-police decided to engage in a crusade of righteous indignation and to vilify men.
 
damicatz said:
You obviously missed the shitstorm over https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Gerstmann]Jeff Gerstmann's firing.

That being said, people who buy reviews with money aren't fanning the flames of controversy with deliberately provocative SJWing. The entire reason the Zoe Quinn thing is as controversial as it is is because the liberal thought-police decided to engage in a crusade of righteous indignation and to vilify men.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Gerstmann
 
Adam Sessler was the last beacon of hope for "gaming journalism" when he joined Rev3 games. He even made his co-workers better at what they did. The review quality from Tara Long, Anthony Carboni, Max Scoville, and even the young kid Nick, were greatly improved just by Adam's influence.

Actual intelligent reviews and discussion were going on. Adam openly said both the unfiltered medium of youtube and the feedback was a huge change from mainstream TV (that he liked).

But now Adam left...as did Max and Anthony....and I haven't read/watched a decent review in months
 
dandragonrage said:
So why are these people not bitching about EA and other companies that buy a lot more reviews with a lot more money? I've been bitching about shitty companies like EA for years and I certainly don't need their products, even the few of their games that might actually be decent. Some guy replied to me earlier and said that consumers don't want to think about the morality of a company and he is right to say that consumers don't do that. But consumers are wrong for not doing that. The ultimate regulation in Capitalism is on the consumer, and the method is the boycott. We have so many government regulations (which rarely work) because people think they shouldn't have to go through life actually using their brains, so they want people to do the work for them. Our corporations and politicians are corrupt because people don't care.

But half of you fucks will just find some woman to blame it on.
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That guy was me, actually. I didn't say they didn't want to. I said they didn't. And they don't. What most consumers care about is the quality of the product. Oh, occasionally a company does something egregious enough to inspire people to avoid buying a product they actually would want and otherwise would buy in order to send a message to the company. And even more occasionally, that works.

What works far more often is that when a company produces a crappy product and then buys reviews for it, a few customers get hoodwinked into buying the product and then word gets out that the reviews were all lies and sales plummet. This happens all the time and most frequently hits the big companies like EA and Ubisoft.

Ultimately though, the issue that will remain MOST relevant is the quality of the product. If the iPhone truly is the "best" phone (I don't think it is, by the way - I've owned exclusively Androids), people will continue to buy it no matter how atrocious the working conditions at FoxConn are. Well, most people will. Some, perhaps such as yourself, will make the moral decision to eschew an iPhone and spend their money on an "inferior" product, or a product that doesn't do some thing they want it to that the iPhone will in order to make a social statement. It might be heard.

All of this reminds me. Do you own an iPhone, perchance?
 
damicatz said:
You obviously missed the shitstorm over https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Gerstmann]Jeff Gerstmann's firing.

That being said, people who buy reviews with money aren't fanning the flames of controversy with deliberately provocative SJWing. The entire reason the Zoe Quinn thing is as controversial as it is is because the liberal thought-police decided to engage in a crusade of righteous indignation and to vilify men.
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Look, I'm not on the side of the journalists or the developers here. I actually stopped reading most gaming journalism years ago because they are basically all paid. My issue is that lots of people in these threads come out and slut shame Zoey while they've preordered every EA game ever made.

I'm not saying it was okay for her to buy reviews, though I still don't exactly trust anything Kotaku says about anyone, including Zoey. I'm saying that men usually don't get shamed like this. Corrupt men get laughs and "of course they're corrupt, that's how the game works." Corrupt women get slut shamed. Also the magnitude of what she might have done is FAR lower than any of the commercial companies that 99% of the people here buy games from.

I am not FOR Zoey here. I am for equality.
 
cageymaru said:
So swatting someone and having the police show up at their home is fine because the person doing it was seeking attention. We as a society should stick our heads in the sand and pretend that it never happened. This is because that there is only a small percentage of harassing jerks on the internet that would actually do it. Also the victim should have buried their head deeper in the sand and they maybe it wouldn't have happened. Completely the victim's fault in these few cases.

Charles Manson should have been ignored. If the actress Sharon Tate and the rest of the people that his group murdered had done a better job of walking away while whistling a tune then she would be alive today. It was Ms Tate's responsibility to ignore crazy random people that show up at her house unannounced. She shouldn't have been so famous.

Justin Verlander. Kate Upton, etc shouldn't have taken pictures of themselves using their own phones. It is their fault that someone hacked Apple iCloud and posted their photos all over the internet. It was because of their celebrity that they are to blame for this happening. If they had ignored the hackers then this wouldn't have happened. Nobody would have known about it.
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But the logic works in reverse right?

Gaming communities and gamers as whole and the gaming industry its self its complete abhorrent and filled with misogynistic assholes who swat peoples houses, harass people constantly and are generally terrible people.

This is as much what you are saying if you think my comments mean the level you've taken them too.
 
wabbitseason said:
She's a woman, so she's immune to criticism in the eyes of a SJW. White males have all the advantages, therefore all non-white-males should be perpetually exempted from any and all criticism.
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I can tell you're being sarcastic, but that is truer than many realize. That's why one of the mainstay slogans of the SJW movement is "check your privilege."
 
drlawyer said:
All of this reminds me. Do you own an iPhone, perchance?
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It literally makes me annoyed if anyone tries to simply discuss an Apple product with me. They can take their business practices and shove them where the sun doesn't shine. I don't even want to SEE Apple products or hear about the company.
 
8du8 said:
But the logic works in reverse right?

Gaming communities and gamers as whole and the gaming industry its self its complete abhorrent and filled with misogynistic assholes who swat peoples houses, harass people constantly and are generally terrible people.

This is as much what you are saying if you think my comments mean the level you've taken them too.
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And just to add since I cannot edit:

You are specifically complaining about people being assholes and harassing others, and your examples are videos showcasing people being assholes with thousands of views on said videos. I'm sure that will completely deter people looking for attention, right?
 
dandragonrage said:
It literally makes me annoyed if anyone tries to simply discuss an Apple product with me. They can take their business practices and shove them where the sun doesn't shine. I don't even want to SEE Apple products or hear about the company.
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Fair enough. The truth of the matter is, unfortunately, that you undoubtedly own or purchase products produced by one or more companies with practices you would detest, if you knew about them. It's a reality of the modern world (and the ancient world actually).

We buy what we want and what we need. We usually buy a product based on how well it fits our particular wants and needs. If competition permits, we might try to buy an otherwise equal quality good from a company we like better.

In end, I doubt very seriously that demanding a boycott of popular games because we don't like how the companies that produce them behave is going to be very effective. There is a much better chance that producing a better game and running your company the way you think it should be run will work.
 
drlawyer said:
Fair enough. The truth of the matter is, unfortunately, that you undoubtedly own or purchase products produced by one or more companies with practices you would detest, if you knew about them. It's a reality of the modern world (and the ancient world actually).

We buy what we want and what we need. We usually buy a product based on how well it fits our particular wants and needs. If competition permits, we might try to buy an otherwise equal quality good from a company we like better.

In end, I doubt very seriously that demanding a boycott of popular games because we don't like how the companies that produce them behave is going to be very effective. There is a much better chance that producing a better game and running your company the way you think it should be run will work.
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I do, but I guarantee you I purchase FAR fewer things from corrupt corporations than the average idiot. I try to support small and local companies and people, and especially those that I know to be moral. There are many times I can't do that due to lack of choice (and less frequently a lack of money), but lack of choice happens because other consumers decline to do their DUTY of self-regulating our businesses via boycotting. It's total irresponsibility on the part of almost everyone. And just because almost everyone would agree that they "shouldn't have to" think (about anything) does not make those people right.
 
wabbitseason said:
Everyone rational and good and human is for equality. You don't get points for being supposedly pro-equality. You do lose points for being radically anti-male, though.
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Misandristic.

Odd how nobody knows about that word, yet everyone has heard of misogyny.
 
Ah, yes, I am misandrastic (even though I myself am male) because I'm not willing to slut shame a woman who is less bad than anyone (mostly male) who works at most any company in the industry.

I wouldn't keep bring up EA and Ubisoft as my examples if they didn't have so much market share. It simply proves that people will overlook this shit when it's a male, and not when it's a female. If you want to claim that people do hate EA as much as I do, show me some sort of statistic backing it up. Quite honestly I would be thrilled if others would join me in boycotting that sort of company, but frankly it's not the case.
 
SRTie4k said:
Misandristic.

Odd how nobody knows about that word, yet everyone has heard of misogyny.
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Based on its usage, I doubt many of the people who have heard of misogyny actually knows what the word means. It is used on the internet almost as a synonym for sexism.
 
dandragonrage said:
Ah, yes, I am misandrastic (even though I myself am male) because I'm not willing to slut shame a woman who is less bad than anyone (mostly male) who works at most any company in the industry.

I wouldn't keep bring up EA and Ubisoft as my examples if they didn't have so much market share. It simply proves that people will overlook this shit when it's a male, and not when it's a female. If you want to claim that people do hate EA as much as I do, show me some sort of statistic backing it up. Quite honestly I would be thrilled if others would join me in boycotting that sort of company, but frankly it's not the case.
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http://consumerist.com/2014/03/24/e...mes-to-an-end-with-loss-to-time-warner-cable/

People hated EA long before anyone had ever heard of Zoe Quinn.
 
SRTie4k said:
http://consumerist.com/2014/03/24/e...mes-to-an-end-with-loss-to-time-warner-cable/

People hated EA long before anyone had ever heard of Zoe Quinn.
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Yet market share doesn't reflect it. Unfortunately the Worst Company in America means nothing. All the companies on the list continue to rake in the money. With companies like Comcast and TW, people generally don't have a choice, but when it comes to EA, there is lots of choice. And unless you are already finding time to play EVERY game on the market, if you prioritize an EA game for ANY reason, you are making the wrong choice.
 
SRTie4k said:
Misandristic.

Odd how nobody knows about that word, yet everyone has heard of misogyny.
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or the more important word for many of the internet denizens would be Misanthropic ... a large number of the most troubled internet folks are misanthropes ... they channel it sometimes where it can appear they hate men or women but the reality is they hate everyone but themselves (and some don't even like that person) ;)
 
dandragonrage said:
Yet market share doesn't reflect it. Unfortunately the Worst Company in America means nothing. All the companies on the list continue to rake in the money. With companies like Comcast and TW, people generally don't have a choice, but when it comes to EA, there is lots of choice. And unless you are already finding time to play EVERY game on the market, if you prioritize an EA game for ANY reason, you are making the wrong choice.
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I disagree here. You're making the case that 2 games can be considered "close enough" that substituting one for the other is a viable option, which I think is not true when it comes to entertainment. What entertains you might be very different from what entertains someone else. Where you might see two games as exactly the same, another person might see as completely different.

Not only that, but there are some EA games that are good. I enjoyed Dead Space and Mirror's Edge, as well as 50 hours or so worth of Battlefield 4.

What's also kind of funny about your argument is how you're all for "equality", yet you HATE EA AND UBISOFT!!! Last I checked, EA doesn't employ poor Chinese people to write their games for 8 cents an hour. I guess it just goes to show you that everyone hates something, whether hating that thing is socially acceptable at the time or not.
 
On a weird side not not at all related to the rest of my post, this is the first place I've seen the letters "SJW" tossed around and last week I had to go searching the Intertubes to even figure out that it means.

Tossing out a label that can be boiled down to the first letter of each word just to parade loudly against it is no different than parading loudly for it. Being anti-SJW is just screaming for a different kind of social justice. Therefore, most people that soapbox decry someone as a SJW are just more SJWs with an opposing agenda. So before attaching a negative connotation to the idea, look in the mirror and ask yourself if your own agenda and approach is actually any different.

(It's also sad that so many people who are supposed to have life experience and wisdom imparted by their aged state need to be reminded of how little difference there is between them and the people they're attempting to insult.)
 
dandragonrage said:
Ah, yes, I am misandrastic (even though I myself am male) because I'm not willing to slut shame a woman who is less bad than anyone (mostly male) who works at most any company in the industry.
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The worst misandrists are in fact male themselves. Male apologist I believe is the term.

Again you invoke the "slut-shaming" strawman, and again I remind you that Zoe Quinn's right to have sex is not under attack. If she used sex as payment for positive press, that is unethical and extremely disrespectful to her gaming audience. Hence the controversy. It also makes her a whore, by definition, regardless of your prattling about "misogynistic slut-shaming".
 
wabbitseason said:
The worst misandrists are in fact male themselves. Male apologist I believe is the term.

Again you invoke the "slut-shaming" strawman, and again I remind you that Zoe Quinn's right to have sex is not under attack. If she used sex as payment for positive press, that is unethical and extremely disrespectful to her gaming audience. Hence the controversy. It also makes her a whore, by definition, regardless of your prattling about "misogynistic slut-shaming".
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Wow, you have no idea if any of the stuff about what she's doing that her ex-boyfriend claimed is happening is actually true and not just something he made up out of spite. Having been around the male half of humanity, I can say that they're jealous, petty, and one of the things they lie about the most is sex. Either they're denying they had it or bragging about having done it and with whom even though none of it is true.

Besides that, Dan isn't really taking a pro-fem side. He's being perfectly reasonable and because that doesn't reaffirm your worldview, you're assigning him to a category to which he really doesn't belong just so you can find an avenue to deliver criticism of something you disagree with. Stop being silly.
 
Red Machine D said:
I find it funny how PC Accelerator had more game reporting and factual content than the entire world of games journalism does now.
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PCXL was awesome back in the day. I particularly liked the Ass Olympics and how they found creative ways to destroy bad game discs. Unfortunately being brutally honest like PCXL tends to piss off advertisers, and then you don't have a gaming publication.
 
DeathFromBelow said:
I can't tell if it's just from getting older (I'm 26 now), but it seems like the quality of tech and game related journalism has declined significantly over the last 10 years. It all feels like advertising rather than professionally written perspectives from real users.
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It's a lot worse than it was 10 years ago. However, it's a regression of the media at large and not isolated to the "gaming media". It gets polluted by money and at that point becomes biased. Native advertising is particularly insidious, if I was an evil genius, I'd be jealous of the idea.

John Oliver did a great piece on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_F5GxCwizc
 
GotNoRice said:
World of Warcraft specific publications/websites seem relatively stable compared to more general gaming journalism. Then again there are plenty of differences. Women aren't rare in WoW compared to most games, and so when they contribute to WoW related journalism, it really isn't seen as weird or out of place by anyone.
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The biggest WoW-related website in Brazil is run by women. We have two women trading blows in presidential elections. But feminists will find a way to say that we're evil and hate women. We're all misogynists to them, and it will never change, period.
 
CreepyUncleGoogle said:
Wow, you have no idea if any of the stuff about what she's doing that her ex-boyfriend claimed is happening is actually true and not just something he made up out of spite. Having been around the male half of humanity, I can say that they're jealous, petty, and one of the things they lie about the most is sex. Either they're denying they had it or bragging about having done it and with whom even though none of it is true.

Besides that, Dan isn't really taking a pro-fem side. He's being perfectly reasonable and because that doesn't reaffirm your worldview, you're assigning him to a category to which he really doesn't belong just so you can find an avenue to deliver criticism of something you disagree with. Stop being silly.
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There you go, proving my point. You just went and stereotyped and engaged in rampant sexism against men and yet you have the audacity to complain about supposed misogyny in the video games industry.
 
Exyia said:
Adam Sessler was the last beacon of hope for "gaming journalism" when he joined Rev3 games. He even made his co-workers better at what they did. The review quality from Tara Long, Anthony Carboni, Max Scoville, and even the young kid Nick, were greatly improved just by Adam's influence.

Actual intelligent reviews and discussion were going on. Adam openly said both the unfiltered medium of youtube and the feedback was a huge change from mainstream TV (that he liked).

But now Adam left...as did Max and Anthony....and I haven't read/watched a decent review in months
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The only think Sessler brought was empathy for developers and publishers. If the overall complextion of reporting wasn't tainted that way, it might not have been a bad thing to have that somewhere. Before Sessler, Rev3 reported from a customer perspective (relatively speaking) but with a mostly level head. The consumers of these games pay for the whole deal including the reporters and deserve a voice. From what I understand Sessler was in charge of all of Rev3 games as program director, he killed anything that didn't feature Adam prominently. It became the Adam Channel. It was made so centered around him by him, him leaving pretty much shutdown the channel. They even off'd the Destructoid spot which was the number one show in all of Rev3 including the non-gaming stuff and it wasn't in anykind of decline.
 
damicatz said:
There you go, proving my point. You just went and stereotyped and engaged in rampant sexism against men and yet you have the audacity to complain about supposed misogyny in the video games industry.
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I don't know. He said half of males are that, and he's pretty much right. Some of the responses have been fucking pathetic. We're not saying every single person in this thread is a sexist or misogynistic asshole, but that the general response is comprised of both neutral views and of misogynistic or sexist views against women, yet nothing against men. The reactions are completely different and when it's a woman too many people bring up her looks or slut shame her, which doesn't happen with males. And like CUG, I do not trust anything Kotaku says. Not because of this specific instance. I have hated Kotaku for several years now. I honestly think that if it's on Kotaku, it's probably false. I'm not saying it's impossible that the situation did happen as claimed. But Kotaku to me has never been a reliable source.

But it's not like some females don't have flaws like he mentions, either. None of us are saying women are perfect and none of us are saying that all men (or all gamers) are sexist (or misogynistic or misandristic). I think maybe he went slightly overboard in his wording there (something I am prone to at times) but I don't see too much harm in his post. He is really not claiming male OR female superiority, overall. Nor am I. There are lots of people that are corrupt, judgmental and/or just an asshole in general, both male and female.

We're saying that people overreact to a POTENTIAL scandal involving a female, and underreact to much larger and DEFINITE scandals involving males and large corporations, and that's not okay. This backlash should exist against EA and Ubisoft and every large corporation that does these sorts of things.

I'm not claiming Depression Quest is great or that it offers just as much enjoyment as Battlefield, though if you can't find 'indie' games that you like just as much as EA's stuff, you are definitely doing it wrong.

There are some things almost all of us agree on here. It is not right for journalists to sell themselves and it is not right for companies to buy them. It is not right to lie in a review and it is not right to take advantage of your customers. Unfortunately most of you seem to have no intention of doing anything about it because you can't manage to put down Battlefield 5000 and play something innovative and different.
 
dandragonrage said:
I don't know. He said half of males are that, and he's pretty much right. Some of the responses have been fucking pathetic. We're not saying every single person in this thread is a sexist or misogynistic asshole, but that the general response is comprised of both neutral views and of misogynistic or sexist views against women, yet nothing against men. The reactions are completely different and when it's a woman too many people bring up her looks or slut shame her, which doesn't happen with males. And like CUG, I do not trust anything Kotaku says. Not because of this specific instance. I have hated Kotaku for several years now. I honestly think that if it's on Kotaku, it's probably false. I'm not saying it's impossible that the situation did happen as claimed. But Kotaku to me has never been a reliable source.

But it's not like some females don't have flaws like he mentions, either. None of us are saying women are perfect and none of us are saying that all men (or all gamers) are sexist (or misogynistic or misandristic). I think maybe he went slightly overboard in his wording there (something I am prone to at times) but I don't see too much harm in his post. He is really not claiming male OR female superiority, overall. Nor am I. There are lots of people that are corrupt, judgmental and/or just an asshole in general, both male and female.

We're saying that people overreact to a POTENTIAL scandal involving a female, and underreact to much larger and DEFINITE scandals involving males and large corporations, and that's not okay. This backlash should exist against EA and Ubisoft and every large corporation that does these sorts of things.

I'm not claiming Depression Quest is great or that it offers just as much enjoyment as Battlefield, though if you can't find 'indie' games that you like just as much as EA's stuff, you are definitely doing it wrong.

There are some things almost all of us agree on here. It is not right for journalists to sell themselves and it is not right for companies to buy them. It is not right to lie in a review and it is not right to take advantage of your customers. Unfortunately most of you seem to have no intention of doing anything about it because you can't manage to put down Battlefield 5000 and play something innovative and different.
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He said the male half of humanity. Not half of males.
 
PewDiePie huh? Yeap. Sure. That's a great source. I always go there before I buy a game. :rolleyes:
 
what isn't mentioned is that before #gamersgate there was #quinnspiracy where zoe quinn basically fucked everyone in the indy game scene including some people in the gaming press to gain popularity and money. it's a giant circle jerk that also includes anita sarkeesian. check out the "internetaristocrat" on youtube, he compiled some good info on that subject. after #quinnspiracy this thing exploded because gaming sites tried to sweep it under the rug and started to attack gamers with accusations of misogyny and how degenerated gamers are compared to the pinnacle of evolution that is "gaming journalists" (that like to fuck zoe quinn)
 
If he didn't diss anime I'd agree with everything he said. Then again I guess what he's getting at is there being an anime article on a "gaming news" site... but the general wording still seemed to express his disdain for anime. Hence I don't like him. >=\
 
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