Usually, yes, and that's why it'll be extra interesting to see what Necere has in mind for that particular problem.
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NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)
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Usually, yes, and that's why it'll be extra interesting to see what Necere has in mind for that particular problem.
Ahh, no case by committee please! Let Necere create his vision and then provide feedback
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Agreed. That's one thing that always bothers me about "crowdfunded" designs (and many large manufacturers too), everyone wants their special snowflake feature supported. Forget that. Good design and engineering is about learning to say no.Ahh, no case by committee please! Let Necere create his vision and then provide feedback
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I agree, Necere has proven that his insight is right on the money most of the time and most other times has a legitimate reason for taking less popular choices.
I think that Necere should still involve the community somehow, but maybe in other area's: polls about color choices, searching for a good manufacturer for the PCIe riser, discuss accessory packs, work out options (lighted front-panel like consoles, fan filters, ...) etc.
We can still do some of the work, is what I mean
I think that Necere should still involve the community somehow, but maybe in other area's: polls about color choices, searching for a good manufacturer for the PCIe riser, discuss accessory packs, work out options (lighted front-panel like consoles, fan filters, ...) etc.
We can still do some of the work, is what I mean
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Good morning Alabrand1, my name is AFD and I've been assigned by the [H] SFF sub-committee of Personal Wellness to act as your personal crisis counselor and to assist you in your time of need. Your case no. is #M1Z75H932021RF9, so please jot that down for future reference.
So, it appears you are now having doubts and suffering from some minor anxiety in relation to the arrival of your NCASE M1 pre-order and/or your "devotion to mITX" - is that correct? Fret not young warrior, as myself and many others here have been in your exact position, and we are here to help you get through this.
Have you considered taking up another hobby over the next month or so to take your mind off your small form-factor computing interests? Perhaps something like collecting stamps, building model airplanes, or heavy binge-drinking might be up your alley? If not, have you considered embracing your discomfort of waiting for your M1 to arrive by constantly web searching for new and upcoming parts, or alternatively, by price-shopping for existing parts you may like to purchase? Do you enjoy trying to mentally piece together your new build over and over each night as you try to fall asleep? And have you thought about building a cardboard M1 replica so that you may "test things", which in no way indicative of the onset of your SFF compulsion?
Good. Now in the mean time, I am going to request that you continue to refresh this thread a minimum of at least 20 to 30 times per day until your parts have all arrived. Any less that 20x per day, and you will surely miss out on some new and exciting M1 news.
And please, do not hesitate to ask us for any help or emotional support. Don't worry we're here for you bro! - regards, AFD.
I could but that'd be a complete waste of money.
Eh, I've used a laptop(s) for the last decade or so. But I felt it was time to stop torturing myself and get a self-built desktop. Since I'm going to have the case stand on top of my desk, within my field of view, I wanted something that looks really good. And the only case to my liking is the Ncase M1. It's perfect for me. And since I don't want to spend more than what's necessary I'd rather wait it out. The 880 hasn't released yet, the SX500-LG hasn't released yet and I don't have the Ncase yet in my hands. It'd be a huge waste of money for me to get a temporary case, PSU and GPU. And since I'm not gaming as of now, I'll be fine.
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HA!
I'm so glad that that isn't just me. I find plotting the W/C loop, out-to-in, out-to-in, out-to-in, particularly soothing.
That's what I'm planning. No way I'm letting all that new hardware collect dust until the end of sept.
Only just built my Air 540 build before I bought this case. Was going to buy a new competent a month until I could build it all. Never even thought of throwing it all in my current case. That'll mean I can sell all my old stuff as I go along. Speed it all up. Cheers!
On a slight side note, anyone know the lowest profile 2133/2400Mhz DDR3 RAM you can get? Think lowest I've managed to find would be something like this.
I just realized the i5-4590S is a low wattage (65W TDP) version of the i5-4590, tailored for mini-ITX builds.
What kind of cooler can I get away with? Looking for air cooler, as light as possible (for transport) but still better than stock.
Motherboard will probably be ASRock H97M-ITX/AC.
Current cooler I'm leaning towards is Cooler Master Gemini II M4 ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103177 ).
What kind of cooler can I get away with? Looking for air cooler, as light as possible (for transport) but still better than stock.
Motherboard will probably be ASRock H97M-ITX/AC.
Current cooler I'm leaning towards is Cooler Master Gemini II M4 ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103177 ).
I hope this is the correct place to add on to the probably thousands of guys who've already thanked Necere and Wahaha360.
Just built my machine over the weekend and it was the complete opposite of what I expected for such an "advance" case. I've never assembled a system so quickly. [My previous machines were on the Silverstone SG09 and the Coolermaster N200] Even re-opening the system to add and remove stuff were so much easier than my other cases I wish I've only ever had to work with the M1 now.
Thank you so much guys...
[And to the rest of the HOCP guys, thank you so much for giving all the information in this forum which I've used to come up with my build]
Just built my machine over the weekend and it was the complete opposite of what I expected for such an "advance" case. I've never assembled a system so quickly. [My previous machines were on the Silverstone SG09 and the Coolermaster N200] Even re-opening the system to add and remove stuff were so much easier than my other cases I wish I've only ever had to work with the M1 now.
Thank you so much guys...
[And to the rest of the HOCP guys, thank you so much for giving all the information in this forum which I've used to come up with my build]
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That's not entirely true: it's the same wattage as the i5-4590 with a lower thermal envelope. Meaning it'll pull the same current from the 12V rail as you start using the CPU, but throttle at an earlier point.
At least that's my understanding - if I'm wrong I WANT to know as it's taken enough research to arrive at this position
That's not entirely true: it's the same wattage as the i5-4590 with a lower thermal envelope. Meaning it'll pull the same current from the 12V rail as you start using the CPU, but throttle at an earlier point.
At least that's my understanding - if I'm wrong I WANT to know as it's taken enough research to arrive at this position
Effectively you are correct, but the method to reduce maximum power is not by throttling. More simply the -S has a lower base frequency.
When i5-4590 and i5-4590S are running less than 25% load, then they run at full turbo boost 3.7GHz
When they are running over 50% load then the i5-4590 is at 3.3GHz and the i5-4590S is at 3.0Ghz.
This is enough to reduce maximum thermal load from 84W to 65W, but remember if you aren't also loading the iGPU or AVX2 parts of the chip, then the chip will draw significantly less.
Pretty much the only reason to get an -S or a -T chip is if you are forced to use a CPU cooler that is worse than the Intel stock cooler.
Just saw that Fractal Design were planning on having the S24 available in Yurop in November so I've ordered a H105 for £85. Mistake or solid choice? Just waiting on the SX-600G now before I can build it properly - in the meantime, full size psu hanging out of the side (as soon as the aio loop arrives \o/)
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No it's not a mistake. Just for your own ease of installation, place it with the fans on the inside and if possible, place the radiator with the tubing in the front and the CPU block with the tubing in the back.
Like this: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/SithSolo1/Space/My Ncase M1/04-H100iInterior_zps8e6604c3.jpg
Like this: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/SithSolo1/Space/My Ncase M1/04-H100iInterior_zps8e6604c3.jpg
I wouldn't necessarily call it a mistake, unless there's a compatibility issue with your parts. I'm planning on getting the H105 myself and someone else has already used one so I think you should be fine.
The low profile coolers I'm looking at, Cooler Master GeminII M4, Noctua L9i, Zalman CNPS8900, etc (also looking at Prolima Sam-17 which has decent reviews but spreadsheet says is barely better than stock) are rated pretty badly, barely better than stock by a few degrees, so since it is a pretty cramped case I figure whatever can keep it cooler is probably a good bet.
Thanks for the tips - are those fans pulling in? That'd be my plan, as positive pressure seems to get a good rep for helping with dust.
Mistake may have been a bit harshly worded, I just wanted a quick "yep, that's fine" and not "muppet, you should have bought this other product!" after I got fed up of researching and impulse bought it... cheers Phuncz+alabrand1
Thanks for the tips - are those fans pulling in? That'd be my plan, as positive pressure seems to get a good rep for helping with dust.
Mistake may have been a bit harshly worded, I just wanted a quick "yep, that's fine" and not "muppet, you should have bought this other product!" after I got fed up of researching and impulse bought it... cheers Phuncz+alabrand1
If I end up building mine before yours, I'll let you know how it is to install a H105 in the Ncase.
Dates are according to this chap - http://www.overclock.net/t/1494046/...-kelvin-series-water-cooling/50#post_22737057
At this point I've lost interest in expanding an aio loop, I just want to build the machine
At this point I've lost interest in expanding an aio loop, I just want to build the machine
The urge to sell the case and go either for mATX or ATX when Haswell-E launches keeps getting bigger and bigger. Dammit... I dunno what to do.
On one hand there are no cases in any form factor I like except for the Ncase M1. It's perfect I tell you! On the other I don't particularly like the hardware that's available in mITX form factor. Argh!
On one hand there are no cases in any form factor I like except for the Ncase M1. It's perfect I tell you! On the other I don't particularly like the hardware that's available in mITX form factor. Argh!
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Realistically, what use would Haswell-E or multi-card graphics be to you? There lies your answer.
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You indeed want the fans to act as intakes.
Aside from future-proofing (using the system for 10 years or so, with only changing the graphics card)? None.
Dammit, I don't even need an i7. But the wait is killing me and assuredly clouding my judgement. That and I don't know which parts to go with yet.
For gaming, an i5 would be sufficient right now and likely a few years into the future (depending on the GPU). An i7 would be good enough for at least 5 years. The i7 920 is over 5 years old and still good enough for the vast majority of things. Broadwell is just a die shrink, it won't be a huge performance improvement just like IB wasn't. Skylake and DDR4 won't arrive until late 2015 at the earliest. We'll see how that performs, but I don't expect it to blow away Haswell. Haswell is only a year old, there's still a lot of life left in Haswell.
You can't really future proof anything because IPC increases will make even the Haswell octo-core obsolete in less than 10 years. Improve performance per core by 10-15% every 1-2 years and the octo-core will lose to simple quad cores at the end of that 10 year period, not to mention that hexa-cores will be a lot more common at that point.
If your goal is to spend the least money for the most power over a 10-year period, I think buying used mid-range components with regular intervals is a superior solution. Sell your graphics card and buy a new one every 1-2 years. You'll start off weaker, but end with a much faster PC for the same total cost.
You can't really future proof anything because IPC increases will make even the Haswell octo-core obsolete in less than 10 years. Improve performance per core by 10-15% every 1-2 years and the octo-core will lose to simple quad cores at the end of that 10 year period, not to mention that hexa-cores will be a lot more common at that point.
If your goal is to spend the least money for the most power over a 10-year period, I think buying used mid-range components with regular intervals is a superior solution. Sell your graphics card and buy a new one every 1-2 years. You'll start off weaker, but end with a much faster PC for the same total cost.
Found this v2 unboxing on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1TQDNRbfrw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1TQDNRbfrw
The performance improvement I'm hoping for in Broadwell is Iris Pro IGP. I'm sure it's not of interest to people in this thread, but for me building light-use gaming SFF desktop/HTPCs it will be a nice step up - and hopefully remove the temptation to enlarge the build (and noise footprint) with a low-profile GTX 750.
Thank you WiSK, much appreciated!