Now Is The Time To Switch Back To Firefox

Firefox had sync first. And still syncs just fine across desktop and devices.
Firefox - PimpUigi Edition will get an update on Tuesday when Fx29 launches.

I was pretty sure they fixed the memory leak quite a few versions back; not only that, they keep removing things and then you have to get add ons to bring them back if you wanted them.
So, the idea of it getting more bloated while you were away? The opposite is true.

I'm of the opinion Firefox > IE11 > Chrome > others.

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cdr_74_premium said:
A marriage is between a man and a woman. Not because of anything but the fact that kids can only come the intercourse between a man and a woman.

I'm fine with LGBT having all the rights associated to marriage, just call it a civil union, gayrriage, whatever. But no, for some (not really unknown) reason they want to change what is a marriage. It's not about equal rights at all.
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Since when does intercourse have anything to do with marriage? Usually there's less sex in marriage, lol. You don't have to be married to have a kid. And why do you care what they call it? It doesn't affect you. A civil union does NOT carry the same rights as a marriage. And a marriage is a legal contract between 2 consenting adults. That's it. And that legal contract should be allowed between ANY two adults. To deny people who love each other the right to legally bind that love via contract is stupid, petty, and WRONG. Not a single damn person has ever been negatively affected by a gay couple getting married. So get over it already.
 
CvP said:
The most important is that Firefox is the only major browser that is written to serve . LGBT and their propaganda only.
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Fixed. And no, now is the time to switch FROM firefox and use IE11 if you want simplicity or Chrome if you are extension freak.
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Great job. Just from you modifying a quote and throwing the LGBT stuff in, this thread was almost derailed by marriage rights. Glad to see trolling isn't a lost art.
 
cdr_74_premium said:
A marriage is between a man and a woman. Not because of anything but the fact that kids can only come the intercourse between a man and a woman.

I'm fine with LGBT having all the rights associated to marriage, just call it a civil union, gayrriage, whatever. But no, for some (not really unknown) reason they want to change what is a marriage. It's not about equal rights at all.
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Except marriage is a civil and legal union and has nothing to do with having children. By your logic a couple that does not want children or can't physically have children should also be barred from marriage.

You are free to have any opinion you want and I have no desire to change your opinion, but at least get your facts straight and make an argument that doesn't have logic holes a person can drive a bus through.
 
PimpUigi said:
Firefox had sync first. And still syncs just fine across desktop and devices.
Firefox - PimpUigi Edition will get an update on Tuesday when Fx29 launches.

I was pretty sure they fixed the memory leak quite a few versions back; not only that, they keep removing things and then you have to get add ons to bring them back if you wanted them.
So, the idea of it getting more bloated while you were away? The opposite is true.

I'm of the opinion Firefox > IE11 > Chrome > others.

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Those graphs do not seem very accurate.
 
thejokker said:
Tolerance for LGB is at an all time high yet they respond by acting like brown-shirted fascists. Want to know why LGB have been discriminated against for thousands of years? Because some (not all) are totally unlikable assholes. FYI I left the T off on purpose. A person who has male DNA but believes they are a woman and wants to mutilate themselves is a deeply disturbed individual and people who enable those poor sick people are sick themselves.
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Just because "tolerance is at an all time high" doesn't mean we have true equality. For example, in some states, they try to implement laws stopping same sex couples from marrying. So while we no longer burn them at the stake, giving up on equality because "its better than it used to be" is strange.

And there's a difference between sex and gender, and luckily for you, those two constructs align. That's what the "T" is for. There's no reason to attack people or treat them as lesser when those two things do not align.
 
So back on topic, I use all major browsers daily because I am a web developer. I've honestly never noticed much of a speed difference. And as time goes on, I'm noticing fewer rendering differences as well. I still use Firefox as my normal browser however.
 
Skripka said:
Heh IE....When will IE enter the 21st century and implement proper window/tab session management?
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Out of curiosity, how does FF or Chrome implement "proper window/tab session management" differently from IE? I honestly don't know. I have both IE11 and FF on my machine and can't see any noticeable difference.
 
cdr_74_premium said:
A marriage is between a man and a woman. Not because of anything but the fact that kids can only come the intercourse between a man and a woman.

I'm fine with LGBT having all the rights associated to marriage, just call it a civil union, gayrriage, whatever. But no, for some (not really unknown) reason they want to change what is a marriage. It's not about equal rights at all.
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Why do you care what its called? If it does all the same things then logically, wouldn't it be called the same thing? If a gay guy prepares and audits financial information for a company, do we call him a gaycountant?
 
What is this firefox memory leak people keep talking about? Are these just people who haven't used Firefox for years or what? I have tabs that have been open for over a week and nothing seems to be leaking any significant amount of memory.
 
Those who think FF eats up memory should step back and take a look at how much Chrome eats up...that's the pot calling the kettle fucking black right there.
 
GotNoRice said:
What is this firefox memory leak people keep talking about? Are these just people who haven't used Firefox for years or what? I have tabs that have been open for over a week and nothing seems to be leaking any significant amount of memory.
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Feel free to quote the charts I posted.
 
I started using chrome the second it was available. I went straight from IE to Chrome, never really used FF. I switched from Chrome to FF a few months ago and I have been really happy. Google isn't what they used to be. Chrome is still a good browser, but I am trusting Google less and less.
 
I use Firefox on Windows Linux and Android. But, Firefox in Linux is noticeably slower then Chromium. Especially when it comes to streaming video. In Windows there's no notable difference. Probably Firefox is faster in Windows.

Tried using Chromium in Linux, and hated it. Faster sure, but settings and plugins are cumbersome to figure out. In Windows, whenever I find a virus that hits the system they always seem to make Chrome their bitch. Firefox just gets it's proxy settings changed.

So yea, going to keep using Firefox.
 
GotNoRice said:
What is this firefox memory leak people keep talking about? Are these just people who haven't used Firefox for years or what? I have tabs that have been open for over a week and nothing seems to be leaking any significant amount of memory.
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Same. I've had Firefox open all morning with 3 tabs. It's using 325 MB at the moment. I just opened Chrome with the same 3 times, and it's using 307 MB. I think I'll call that a tie.
 
i960 said:
Same. I've had Firefox open all morning with 3 tabs. It's using 325 MB at the moment. I just opened Chrome with the same 3 times, and it's using 307 MB. I think I'll call that a tie.
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*3 tabs. Damn lack of edit...
 
Honestly I think it would get better reception if someone wrote a highly professional article, with a highly unprofessional title: "Holy shit, Firefox no longer has a memory leak!"
 
I'm so lost on the thought police and GBLT stuff?
What does a sandwich have to do with a web browser?
 
GotNoRice said:
What is this firefox memory leak people keep talking about? Are these just people who haven't used Firefox for years or what? I have tabs that have been open for over a week and nothing seems to be leaking any significant amount of memory.
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A couple of years ago it was not unusual for Firefox to keep eating up memory until it crashed. I remember watching it at one point eat more than 2GB of system memory. The issue has long since been fixed. I rarely see FF use more than 200MB of memory nowadays through my normal usage (4-10 tabs open, including 1-3 video streams). Now the Flash leak...or at least the fact that it never frees up memory after it's done with it, THAT has never been fixed.
 
I wouldn't switch back to Firefox, nothing to do with rights or anything like that, solely because I like Chrome more ;) And I use Safari once in a while too, lol.
 
i960 said:
Since when does intercourse have anything to do with marriage? Usually there's less sex in marriage, lol.
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I'm not talking about sex per se. Anyone can have sex anytime.

i960 said:
You don't have to be married to have a kid.
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In the same note, you don't have to be married to live together with anyone. That's not the issue.

Marriage is not for the couple, it's for their offspring.

i960 said:
And why do you care what they call it? It doesn't affect you.
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Ok, so why do THEY care?

i960 said:
A civil union does NOT carry the same rights as a marriage.
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Make it be. It doesn't matter what it's called, right?

i960 said:
And a marriage is a legal contract between 2 consenting adults. That's it.
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Not religiously speaking, and that's exactly why LGBT groups are so keen on messing with it.

i960 said:
And that legal contract should be allowed between ANY two adults.
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Why not 3, or 4? 3 plus a goat?

i960 said:
To deny people who love each other the right to legally bind that love via contract is stupid, petty, and WRONG.
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Not being denied at all. But for some reason it has to be exactly the same thing that happens for quite a while and has a lot of religious tradition associated with it. Now these guys usually are all against religion, but when the issue of marriage comes out suddenly all they want is love each other.

i960 said:
Not a single damn person has ever been negatively affected by a gay couple getting married. So get over it already.
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What if they want to get married in a church? It's a marriage after all, isn't it?

Again, it's not about legal rights at all. Most who disagree with gay marriage couldn't care less if they get all the rights associated with it. They don't want only that: they want the institiution they despised for so long associated with their relationships, if only to stir anger in religious people's hearts.
 
maverikv said:
Look kids, someone that doesn't know what the first amendment means

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Hey kids, someone who doesn't know an ideal doesn't need to be written in law to be something worth following and supporting. Especially if your purpose is as a communication tool on a project touting openness of varying kinds.

But, even if your predicate for the comment was correct, your comment would still be wrong anyway.
 
Skripka said:
Have they fixed the memory leaks yet? Nope? Not time yet.
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They did.

There are still some addons that behave poorly, holding references to objects that have gone out of scope (I'm looking at you, YouTubeCenter). However, I don't see evidence of any significant memory leaks in FF these days.
 
McFry said:
Crome is just faster hands down. Even on my Corei7 with SSD, I can tell the loading performance between chrome/firefox. Tabs respond more quickly, the program can be closed and re-opened more quickly, etc. It's simply a more efficient browser.
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Faster, I agree with, but not necessarily more efficient.

If you've ever tried moth Firefox and Chrome on a machine with little free RAM you'll understand what I mean.

Chrome can take advantage of lots of RAM, and really fly if you have it, but it is not RAM efficient.
 
I'll use Firefox when it offers the ease, simplicity, and integration features that Chrome does. Until then, I don't give a f**k about Google's privacy track record. There's nothing they can do that'll stop a FISA court order and Google's unwillingness to give the Federal Government the finger doesn't change what I think about their products, their stupid senior leadership, or their inability to innovate in today's market.
 
maverikv said:
Look kids, someone that doesn't know what the first amendment means
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(or how to spell "speech" :p )

And yes, you are right.

All the first amendment does is protect us from being persecuted by government for our speech. It says nothing about there not being consequences for what you say in other places in your life. You simply can not be brought up on charges for it.
 
I understand Chrome comes with a built in Liberal better than everyone else for free speech that I agree with add-on as well?
 
cdr_74_premium said:
Again, it's not about legal rights at all. Most who disagree with gay marriage couldn't care less if they get all the rights associated with it. They don't want only that: they want the institiution they despised for so long associated with their relationships, if only to stir anger in religious people's hearts.
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The 1950s civil rights movement called and asked you if you ever heard of "Separate but Equal" treatment of people. How did that work out for African Americans in this country?

Equal rights for LGBT has absolutely nothing to do with the church. In the US we have something called the separation of church and state. A marriage by a church doesn't mean anything and has no legal leg to stand on. Churches are free to marry LGBT couples or choose not to marry LGBT couples and the US and state governments stay out.

Again your logic and ignorance is overwhelming and I can drive a bus through the holes in your logic.
 
i960 said:
Since when does intercourse have anything to do with marriage? Usually there's less sex in marriage, lol. You don't have to be married to have a kid. And why do you care what they call it? It doesn't affect you. A civil union does NOT carry the same rights as a marriage. And a marriage is a legal contract between 2 consenting adults. That's it. And that legal contract should be allowed between ANY two adults. To deny people who love each other the right to legally bind that love via contract is stupid, petty, and WRONG. Not a single damn person has ever been negatively affected by a gay couple getting married. So get over it already.
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I personally don't care about gay marriage. I also don't care enough to make it an issue for or against it. So the ex CEO of Mozilla said something about gay marriage. Who frikin cares?

I see the whole gay marriage thing like children that see something they want, and don't know why they want it. All they know is they don't have it. On the other side of the fence, straight people want to keep marriage sacred. Like it ever was. It wasn't until recently in human history that marriage is consensual now. My parents were married based on some very old stupid traidtions. They barely knew each other when they got married. Old eastern European tranditions of man asks woman and woman consents.

So basically there are two sides fighting over a certificate that says you're married, that really has no value outside of your own happiness. Having an opinion on it has turned into this socially akward taboo. Enough so much that it got the new and now old ceo of Mozilla fired. Am I the only person who sees this as border line insane? To the point that we punish rather than to criticize or to persuade those who disagree.

I have no problem with gays getting married, but I do have a problem when a pointless subject is involved with a tech companies business. Especially cause you know that a CEO does nothing but suck money out of a company. Seriously, wtf do they even do besides give themselves raises?
 
Lynx is far less vulnerable to attacks than Firefox and isn't as creepy as a piece of obvious malware like Chrome.
 
Nenu said:
Havent stopped using FF anyway, great browser, more customisable and safer with all the addons.
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I don't know man. Chrome originated many of the features we take for granted in browser security today, like - for instance - browser sandboxing. I consider Chrome every bit as secure, if not more so than Firefox.

That being said, an argument could be made for being cautious regarding googles data mining.

When I first tried chrome (one of the original beta releases) I was very impressed by its speed. Tabs switched and things scrolled very fast and smooth, but at that time plugins were very limited (or not present at all, can't remember) and it was missing some features I liked in FF.

A few years later I tried Chrome again, and this had changed completely.

Now there are chrome versions (or at least work-a-likes) of every plugin I used in FF, and it is still faster than FF. As much as I hate cloud stuff, the cross device syncing is very very useful. The creating an individual process for each browser tab also makes it more stable

While it isn't a problem for me, as I don't need it, the only thing Chrome seems to be missing these days that Firefox can do, is having multiple rows of browser tabs.

The only reasons I would have to switch back to Firefox is marginally more freedom from suspected data mining, and supporting (well, sortof, it's not as if they'd make money off me) an Open Source project rather than a closed source one.

Everything else would either be at parity for me, or a downgrade.
 
Ashbringer said:
I personally don't care about gay marriage. I also don't care enough to make it an issue for or against it. So the ex CEO of Mozilla said something about gay marriage. Who frikin cares?

I see the whole gay marriage thing like children that see something they want, and don't know why they want it. All they know is they don't have it. On the other side of the fence, straight people want to keep marriage sacred. Like it ever was. It wasn't until recently in human history that marriage is consensual now. My parents were married based on some very old stupid traidtions. They barely knew each other when they got married. Old eastern European tranditions of man asks woman and woman consents.

So basically there are two sides fighting over a certificate that says you're married, that really has no value outside of your own happiness. Having an opinion on it has turned into this socially akward taboo. Enough so much that it got the new and now old ceo of Mozilla fired. Am I the only person who sees this as border line insane? To the point that we punish rather than to criticize or to persuade those who disagree.

I have no problem with gays getting married, but I do have a problem when a pointless subject is involved with a tech companies business. Especially cause you know that a CEO does nothing but suck money out of a company. Seriously, wtf do they even do besides give themselves raises?
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It's not about a certificate, its about all the rights you get with it:

Surviving Child/Parent Social Security Benefits
Tax on employer provided health benefits
EITC, Head of Household Filing Status, and the Child Tax Credit
Estate Tax Exemptions
Transfer of Tax Deferred Retirement Savings
FMLA
Immigration of Spouse/Partner
COBRA
Hospital Visitation

There are literally hundreds of legal rights and privileges attached to marriage. It's not because they want a cute piece of paper.
 
CreepyUncleGoogle said:
Lynx is far less vulnerable to attacks than Firefox and isn't as creepy as a piece of obvious malware like Chrome.
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LOL! Not bad if you don't mind staring at this:

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Honestly, it's saved my butt on a few occasions when X tanked on my linux desktop, or when working on servers remotely via SSH, but it's anything but user friendly, and does a piss poor job of rendering anything but the simplest web pages. (and of course, there are no images)
 
Armenius said:
A couple of years ago it was not unusual for Firefox to keep eating up memory until it crashed. I remember watching it at one point eat more than 2GB of system memory. The issue has long since been fixed. I rarely see FF use more than 200MB of memory nowadays through my normal usage (4-10 tabs open, including 1-3 video streams). Now the Flash leak...or at least the fact that it never frees up memory after it's done with it, THAT has never been fixed.
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Yep.

I've stuck with FF from the first beta versions, all the way to now. The memory leak era was short-lived and heavily exaggerated; it hasn't been an issue for years. I did consider using Chrome back then, but haven't because of the open-source concerns raised.

To put it bluntly: you're a fool if you use a closed-source browser. I am far from a FOSS diehard, but the piece of software that runs at the clear-text end of your SSL pipe needs to be open source. Chrome and Safari are only based on open source; the binary you get is compiled by untrustworthy companies and has closed source stuff added. And IE is even worse: neither the source code nor binary can be trusted.

(As an added point of vindication, Firefox was not affected by Heartbleed because they use their own crypto libraries, instead of OpenSSL.)
 
Opera 20. Since the engine is taken for the same webkit fork Chrome is made from.

But Opera is starting to do things a little different. So rendering is similar or the same a chrome but the browser interface and features are starting to widen.
 
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