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As if the anti-tech bus protesters weren't weird enough as it is, they go and pull a stunt like this. Yuck! :(

Anti-tech shuttle protesters blocked and climbed on top of a Yahoo bus near MacArthur BART station Wednesday morning — and one photo claims protesters on the bus roof vomited on the windshield. BART and Oakland police responded to calls of 15 to 20 protesters blocking and climbing on top of a bus outside the station around 7:30 AM.
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SixFootDuo said:
Someone explain to me why people are protesting these tech buses?
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Supposedly they improve communities, which leads to higher property taxes and displaces the poor. So these people are actually protesting to keep their communities a dump. Although I'm sure most of these protesters don't actually live in those communities and are just doing this to get in the news.
 
Ok I studied up on it ... it's all over a thing called the "Ellis Act" ... basically it's wealthy people, vastly wealthy corporations who lobbied to have people evicted out of rent controlled areas in San Fransisco.

They are protesting these tech buses because the employees of Apple, Google, etc that are on the bus are expected to be the new precipitants of these new apartments these evictions will open up but of course at a much higher rent.

More bullshit with the wealthy telling the working class to fuck off, basically, at the end of the day
 
SixFootDuo said:
Ok I studied up on it ... it's all over a thing called the "Ellis Act" ... basically it's wealthy people, vastly wealthy corporations who lobbied to have people evicted out of rent controlled areas in San Fransisco.

They are protesting these tech buses because the employees of Apple, Google, etc that are on the bus are expected to be the new precipitants of these new apartments these evictions will open up but of course at a much higher rent.

More bullshit with the wealthy telling the working class to fuck off, basically, at the end of the day
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The Ellis act has been around since 1985, and the tenants are compensated for being reloacated. If it were any place but SF, I might be inclined to entertain the "evil rich people" angle, but I'm sorry, these people are so far left they're batshit crazy. They always have to have some cause to crusade for, and they're attacking innocent people who are just trying to get to work. I'd love to see all these tech companies pack up and move to another state. The loonies have already managed to make their state the most business unfriendly state in the US, let's see how they feel when there are no jobs, businesses, or taxpayers left to fund their little Utopian society.
 
Short answer: Gentrification

Slightly longer answer: lower income people who have been renting for decades in rent-controlled apartments and homes are now realizing that because they are on a month-to-month lease, they can be kicked out with minimal notice (60days?). I.e., they are just now learning the difference between buying and renting.
And because they have no property rights in their homes, they are taking it out on the people who are willing to pay more to rent the same property. And because those people are their neighbors and they don't want to crap where they sleep, they attack their commuter locations and the busses that get them to work.

The US' entitlement-culture rears its ugly head again.
 
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That the guy from Watch Dogs?
 
Modred is spot on with gentrification.

It's a two sided coin though. The same people who are upset about being displaced from the Mission are the same people who displaced low income Hispanic families 10 years ago.

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There's a lot of demand for a limited supply of houses - I'm not really sure what else to say. Is it unethical of landlords to leverage the Ellis Act to kick out tenants, yes - but I don't see what bashing on the commuter buses does.
 
B2BigAl said:
The Ellis act has been around since 1985, and the tenants are compensated for being reloacated. If it were any place but SF, I might be inclined to entertain the "evil rich people" angle, but I'm sorry, these people are so far left they're batshit crazy. They always have to have some cause to crusade for, and they're attacking innocent people who are just trying to get to work. I'd love to see all these tech companies pack up and move to another state. The loonies have already managed to make their state the most business unfriendly state in the US, let's see how they feel when there are no jobs, businesses, or taxpayers left to fund their little Utopian society.
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It's starting to happen in LA.
 
B2BigAl said:
The Ellis act has been around since 1985, and the tenants are compensated for being reloacated. If it were any place but SF, I might be inclined to entertain the "evil rich people" angle, but I'm sorry, these people are so far left they're batshit crazy. They always have to have some cause to crusade for, and they're attacking innocent people who are just trying to get to work. I'd love to see all these tech companies pack up and move to another state. The loonies have already managed to make their state the most business unfriendly state in the US, let's see how they feel when there are no jobs, businesses, or taxpayers left to fund their little Utopian society.
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Hopefully one of these days the companies will wise up and move out ... Texas could give them a very good home ... lots of good schools ... 4 of the top 15 cities (by population) ... and generally very business friendly ... they could even settle in Austin (which is the most liberal part of Texas) ... rent control should be illegal anyway (it is not capitalist at all) :cool:
 
Entitlement? ... Policemen and Fireman cannot even afford to live in San Fransisco. This goes for Teachers as well. Screw them too huh? Most have to commute 1 or 2 hours daily just to work in the city.

A lot of people use words like entitlement to blur the truth. What that word originally meant was "the right thing to do"
 
Modred189 said:
Short answer: Gentrification

Slightly longer answer: lower income people who have been renting for decades in rent-controlled apartments and homes are now realizing that because they are on a month-to-month lease, they can be kicked out with minimal notice (60days?). I.e., they are just now learning the difference between buying and renting.
And because they have no property rights in their homes, they are taking it out on the people who are willing to pay more to rent the same property. And because those people are their neighbors and they don't want to crap where they sleep, they attack their commuter locations and the busses that get them to work.

The US' entitlement-culture rears its ugly head again.
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interesting attempt to try and spin this into some bizarre spiel that blames the poor

those dumb poor people just now learning the difference between renting and owning :rolleyes:

in reality the people renting low income houses are busy at work while upwardly mobile, white, college students [you know, people with *free time*] are busy protesting what they see as social injustice

do the people depicted in the photo vsboxerboy's posted appear impoverished and displaced to anyone else? :confused:
 
I can answer that question. I grew up in Dallas, Denton and Arlington. I've been to Austin many times. I've also grew up, late teens and early 20's in California. lived in the Napa, Mountain View, Sac, etc.

Austin is damn near in the middle of Texas with very little culture outside Hispanic / Texan not to mention it's mostly a big box economy. I would take "The City" .. what locals call San Fransisco anytime over Austin.

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BladeVenom said:
Why don't these tech companies find a more business friendly state.
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Because these tech companies have workers that are harder to obtain then the dime a dozen service jobs you can get in any state and those workers like living in the area.
 
kbrickley said:
Hopefully one of these days the companies will wise up and move out ... Texas could give them a very good home ... lots of good schools ... 4 of the top 15 cities (by population) ... and generally very business friendly ... they could even settle in Austin (which is the most liberal part of Texas) ... rent control should be illegal anyway (it is not capitalist at all) :cool:
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A lot of them have been moving to Texas. The problem is, I don't want Californians to ruin this state like they did in their own.
 
kbrickley said:
Hopefully one of these days the companies will wise up and move out ... Texas could give them a very good home ... lots of good schools ... 4 of the top 15 cities (by population) ... and generally very business friendly ... they could even settle in Austin (which is the most liberal part of Texas) ... rent control should be illegal anyway (it is not capitalist at all) :cool:
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No kbrickley! Just no!

I lived in Texas with my parents and it's seriously mega backwards. Most of the people there are still living like it's the end of the last century. They have places without basic infrastructure like roads, water, and electricity and there are cows like...pretty much everywhere on these huge ranches where people pay money to go driving around in trucks, shooting at things. Pretty much only Georgia is more backwards and I think Georgia is that way only because of there are probably a few percent more people who speak English with that southern accent problem.
 
The people of California brought all of this upon themselves. When the whole state seemingly buys into a quasi-marxist ideology and rejects the traditional principles that built America people are going to suffer.
 
SixFootDuo said:
I can answer that question. I grew up in Dallas, Denton and Arlington. I've been to Austin many times. I've also grew up, late teens and early 20's in California. lived in the Napa, Mountain View, Sac, etc.

Austin is damn near in the middle of Texas with very little culture outside Hispanic / Texan not to mention it's mostly a big box economy. I would take "The City" .. what locals call San Fransisco anytime over Austin.

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The city of Snakes as Eddie Izzard put it ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ19ahNyM3I ... culture is relative and there is a fair amount of Hispanic culture on the West Coast too ;) ... personally I like San Diego way more than San Fran :D
 
B2BigAl said:
The Ellis act has been around since 1985, and the tenants are compensated for being reloacated. If it were any place but SF, I might be inclined to entertain the "evil rich people" angle, but I'm sorry, these people are so far left they're batshit crazy. They always have to have some cause to crusade for, and they're attacking innocent people who are just trying to get to work. I'd love to see all these tech companies pack up and move to another state. The loonies have already managed to make their state the most business unfriendly state in the US, let's see how they feel when there are no jobs, businesses, or taxpayers left to fund their little Utopian society.
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Envy is unbecoming.
 
CreepyUncleGoogle said:
No kbrickley! Just no!

I lived in Texas with my parents and it's seriously mega backwards. Most of the people there are still living like it's the end of the last century. They have places without basic infrastructure like roads, water, and electricity and there are cows like...pretty much everywhere on these huge ranches where people pay money to go driving around in trucks, shooting at things. Pretty much only Georgia is more backwards and I think Georgia is that way only because of there are probably a few percent more people who speak English with that southern accent problem.
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I don't see why people see this as a bad thing....

Yes if this was a major city but if people want to live like that why do people judge them.
 
DeChache said:
I don't see why people see this as a bad thing....

Yes if this was a major city but if people want to live like that why do people judge them.
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Ranches are really big in Texas. They're like lots of square miles of just dirt with some tiny evergreen things growing on it and dry grass. I don't think something like that would fit into a city.
 
mope54 said:
interesting attempt to try and spin this into some bizarre spiel that blames the poor

those dumb poor people just now learning the difference between renting and owning :rolleyes:

in reality the people renting low income houses are busy at work while upwardly mobile, white, college students [you know, people with *free time*] are busy protesting what they see as social injustice

do the people depicted in the photo vsboxerboy's posted appear impoverished and displaced to anyone else? :confused:
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WOAH. That's not what I said. Or at least, not what i meant. When I said "lower-income" I avoided saying "poor" for a reason. The people being pushed out aren't poor, for the most part, here. They're just not in the higher-paying tech sectors; their income is lower than those who are coming in.

That said, it's not their fault, per se, but these are people who have spent decades renting. Now, they're learning why that can be a very bad long term proposition.

But you hit the nail on the head. We can't underestimate the effect of the career-protesters here. Crazy kids from super-liberal universities in the area grabbing on to some 'cause' they think they need to 'fight' for. They aren't helping the conversation.


And let's be clear here: San Francisco (the city and its people) are partially at fault too. They have INSANE zoning laws that prohibit building UP higher than a few stories. As a result there is a VERY bad housing shortage, which exacerbates these issues.
 
I read a statistic a few months back citing that the majority of people being evicted (having their rent price terminated) have an annual income that exceeds the national poverty level four times over.

I cant imagine someone making 50k a year being the type of person to vomit all over yahoo's new logo.
 
SixFootDuo said:
Entitlement? ... Policemen and Fireman cannot even afford to live in San Fransisco. This goes for Teachers as well. Screw them too huh? Most have to commute 1 or 2 hours daily just to work in the city.

A lot of people use words like entitlement to blur the truth. What that word originally meant was "the right thing to do"
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Absolutely false. Policemen, Firemen, and Teachers can lived in San Francisco. While yes newer ones might have a harder time, they might have to sacrifice what they're looking for (i.e. trade off the nice neighborhood aspect for a cheaper rent). It's true San Francisco is not a place where a single income earner can live terribly well, doubly so if your hourly rate is less than $20/hr or you're working a part time job, but it's a metro/urban area you can NOT expect to get a 3 bedroom house as "normal" just because where you grew up in Flyover,USA where that would cost $200/month. Just because you want to live the loaner lifestyle with zero roommates does not mean it's "unaffordable" to live here by any stretch.

Fact of the matter is many of these people choose to live elsewhere in the bay, because yes it is cheaper and in some cases significantly cheaper. If you're living 2 hours away (yes even in commute traffic) it's a choice you made to exchange comfort of sitting in traffic for cost of living. Yeah you can get your 3 bedroom house that for some ungodly reason you think a single person should have, or your mindset is your wife doesn't need to work, or whatever archaic views of life you live that you think need to translate into today. Get some roommates if you want a larger place, live somewhere not 2 hours away in South San Francisco, or Daly City that's cheaper where it's probably quicker to get to work in SF from than if you actually lived in SF, or live somewhere where commuting via BART or bus is an option.

There are so many scuzzy/poor/old/young/etc type of people living in this city (not homeless people either) who are not dot-commers or google bus passengers or other people of wealth that there's no way anyone living here should say that "oooh teachers can't afford to live here" or what not.

Plus I don't know what Oakland's rent control laws are, but San Francisco has some doozies, basically any building built before 1979 (which is most of them) are by default rent controlled. And landlords can not refuse to renew a lease, you can't have a month-to-month type of situation to sidestep rent control.

So yeah all this crying about the "culture" of the area being "gentrified" is fairly silly, people who live in San Francisco can continue to live there, and that's where the culture is, no one is being forced out by rent, if they lose their job for an extended period that's another story. It's new people who want to move here and be apart of this culture that are having the hard times, and you know what? Fuck them, if they want to live here they will pay, like the Google and Yahoo employees, which FYI there's a reason the buses pick up near BART stations, it's because they're not living in the city, they're living way out in 1-2hour commuter drive distances away and they're taking mass transit into the city and getting picked up at a convenient location... plus no one wants to live in Oakland ;)
 
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