AMD Radeon R9 290X Video Card Review @ [H]

pcjunkie said:
lets hope this brings the green prices dwon...
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Right on!

Of course, the biggest wrench in the picture for those of us planning upgrades out is Nvidia's G-Sync wildcard. I'm really, really hoping that support for G-Sync monitors can be added to AMD cards sooner rather than later, one way or another.

I'm not upgrading to anything without it. It's a capability that we've been waiting a decade for.
 
Argh this topic has derailed so much in a fanboy circle-jerk lair of despair that I'm just going to stay away.
 
mesyn191 said:
Wooooah buddy "not diagnose your card further" is very different from "won't RMA your card"!

You've engaged into full goal post shifting mode, attempts to spin your arguments further will cause you to crash and burn, there is no turning back now!!

And that is without even trying to back up anything you were saying earlier either.
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Lol woooah buddy is a good way to start off a sentence i will remember this when i reply to you again. Anyway good luck trying to get a RMA with an underrated PSU that is 200 watts below the 650watt recommend spec of running a 290x . I am pretty sure they are going to tell you "go put the card into a computer with a 650 watt PSU and call us back".
get this?
 
Phuncz said:
Argh this topic has derailed so much in a fanboy circle-jerk lair of despair that I'm just going to stay away.
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Agreed...the thread has turned into a 290X haters fan club without anymore useful info...see ya all later!
 
Aquineas said:
Are you seriously criticizing me for mentioning something that's been pointed out before? My goodness, In your own posts alone, there are likely more Exoplanets discovered than there are times you've re-iterated the same points over and over. We get it; you are an Nvdia shill (or might as well be). Guess what? We don't care. You spend your money where you'd like, I've ordered my R9 290x.
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But from what you do not understand is "YOU" and others keep making the same points over and over. Have you not figured out what a discussion forum is?
 
edit: You can discuss, that is fine, just not have your own facts./\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

Idiotincharge: Man G-Sync will likely be as proprietary as PhysX, don't get your hopes up.

This is not a knock on the idea of controlled + variable v-sync. I'm sure its great I just hope it gets implemented into a future DisplayPort or HDMI spec cause having to buy "GPU compatible" monitors is going to suck.
 
UnrealCpu said:
I dont know maybe it is because I am so fond of my GTX 780 Windforce DBA levels and cooling capacity . I bought a referene 7970 GHZ edition and that think was hot and loud. I can not imagine exhausting 95c heat into my room in the summer
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Again, I don't think you understand.

The card doesn't generate that much more heat than your 780
your 780 just does a better job of removing the heat from the cpu, and dumping it into your room with lower NOISE generated.

EG: Your 780 could be and probably is dumping more CI of 80 degree air into your room.

780 = 80 deg c = 500ci/minute
290x = 95 deg c 300ci/minute

In fact, at the stock speed, your 780 WF3 uses more power than a 7970GHZ edition card, and probably dumps more heat into your case and room. So if you thought your 7970 was heating up your room, your 780 is heating up even more, just quietly.

edit: I might be mathematically incorrect
 
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pcjunkie said:
Love that last part...nice troll. :rolleyes:
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It's more like a summation- it's meant to be pointed, but it's also accurate.


If you check a few sites that did load noise comparisons, the thought of running an R9 290X in Uber mode should make you cringe. It's really, really loud. Running the card with the fan limiter off would only be useful for benchmarking.

Hell, if you have any value for a reasonably quiet computing environment, that's all this reference release really looks like- just enough to get the benchmarks out. You don't actually want to own the reference card; you want to wait for the custom coolers. Says everyone, everywhere, that's used one.
 
Digital Viper-X- said:
Again, I don't think you understand.

The card doesn't generate that much more heat than your 780
your 780 just does a better job of removing the heat from the cpu, and dumping it into your room with lower NOISE generated.

EG: Your 780 could be and probably is dumping more CI of 80 degree air into your room.

780 = 80 deg c = 500ci/minute
290x = 95 deg c 300ci/minute

In fact, at the stock speed, your 780 WF3 uses more power than a 7970GHZ edition card, and probably dumps more heat into your case and room. So if you thought your 7970 was heating up your room, your 780 is heating up even more, just quietly.
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physics 101

290 I wait for.
 
Digital Viper-X- said:
In fact, at the stock speed, your 780 WF3 uses more power than a 7970GHZ edition card, and probably dumps more heat into your case and room. So if you thought your 7970 was heating up your room, your 780 is heating up even more, just quietly.
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Having to explain that energy input must equal energy output on a tech forum is just painful.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
It's more like a summation- it's meant to be pointed, but it's also accurate.


If you check a few sites that did load noise comparisons, the thought of running an R9 290X in Uber mode should make you cringe. It's really, really loud. Running the card with the fan limiter off would only be useful for benchmarking.

Hell, if you have any value for a reasonably quiet computing environment, that's all this reference release really looks like- just enough to get the benchmarks out. You don't actually want to own the reference card; you want to wait for the custom coolers. Says everyone, everywhere, that's used one.
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Here is some factual data in video that shows a 290X in Uber. I am trying to translate what the guy is saying in the video but i think something in the lines of "god dam this card is loud"!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY5fU9mcX4w


The titan in the video sounds twice as quiet and performs just as good as the 290x
 
UnrealCpu said:
Don't leave the party is just getting started in here
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if a few of the party goers dont start to mind their manners, they are going to find themselves removed soon ....

discussion is fine, but if the personal attacks dont stop , things are going to change quickly
 
UnrealCpu said:
Here is some factual data in video that shows a 290X in Uber. I am trying to translate what the guy is saying in the video but i think something in the lines of "god dam this card is loud"!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY5fU9mcX4w
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Man, I remember when Nvidia brought the FX5800U to a Quakecon (in downtown Dallas) and showed it off during a session with Kyle, Anand, and a few other guys, and even in that giant, loud presentation hall, you could hear the whine before you could see it in the case sitting on it's side.

Be kind of cool to have a comparison of 'the loudest GPUs of all time'- I'm thinking that the dual-GPU cards along with the 8800 Ultra and the HD2900 would be up there too!
 
UnrealCpu said:
But from what you do not understand is "YOU" and others keep making the same points over and over. Have you not figured out what a discussion forum is?
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I don't get it; it's okay for you to spew forth the same AMD hatred sputum (and in some cases, blatant speculation and misinformation) over and over, and it's not okay for others to counter it with reason?
 
IdiotInCharge said:
Man, I remember when Nvidia brought the FX5800U to a Quakecon (in downtown Dallas) and showed it off during a session with Kyle, Anand, and a few other guys, and even in that giant, loud presentation hall, you could hear the whine before you could see it in the case sitting on it's side.

Be kind of cool to have a comparison of 'the loudest GPUs of all time'- I'm thinking that the dual-GPU cards along with the 8800 Ultra and the HD2900 would be up there too!
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That would be a funny interesting you tube video.. I am wondering now who still holds that crown
 
Aquineas said:
I don't get it; it's okay for you to spew forth the same AMD hatred sputum over and over, and it's not okay for others to counter it with reason?
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I am going to put you on my ignore list now since you like to put words in peoples mouths and interpert things as fanboys
have a nice day
 
Aquineas said:
I don't get it; it's okay for you to spew forth the same AMD hatred sputum over and over, and it's not okay for others to counter it with reason?
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If he's really spewing 'hatred', send examples to Crosshairs. That crap isn't good for anyone.

But if you want to help, try seeing where he's coming from. If people don't start recognizing each other's points of view, we might as well ask the mods to lock this thread immediately.
 
UnrealCpu said:
That would be a funny interesting you tube video.. I am wondering now who still holds that crown
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I don't know if it's even possible- you'd have to find systems to put those cards in, operating systems, drivers, and software, and then develop a standard, representative test.

But I would like to see such a video!
 
IdiotInCharge said:
Man, I remember when Nvidia brought the FX5800U
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The R9 290X can be very loud but still isn't as annoying as the FX5800U. Its more of a loud "whooooosh" when its running at top speeds. The real problem with the FX5800U was the fan when it spun up. It had the "Delta screamer" high pitch whine which sounded like an attempt to approximate the sound a dentists' drill made as it was boring holes in your skull.
 
UnrealCpu said:
The titan in the video sounds twice as quiet and performs just as good as the 290x
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Problem is, Titan is old aged tech and lost the battle.
Nvidia has no way out, the 780ti sell for less than the 290?
slap in the face for all the owners of Titan and 780 wont happen.

Titan isnt as good, its a dead 1000us sitting there when amd pulled the rug out of its existence.

The below is from nordichardware.

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UnrealCpu said:
I am going to put you on my ignore list now since you like to put words in peoples mouths and interpert things as fanboys
have a nice day
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I'm perplexed by this, but only as perplexed as the average person is when they happen to pass a madman in the streets holding a "The World is Going to End" sign and shouting into a Megaphone. It is clear that you're impossibly biased; you'd gain back some respect in the forum if you at least admit it. In any case, I've been entirely civil with you, and I also don't give a flying frisbee whether you ignore me or not. The reality is, this card is good for the graphics industry and good for AMD.

And as for your previous allusions and your "Nvidia just letting AMD stay around to stay in business" wild speculation in earlier posts, here's a bit of information for you that you obviously ignored in your "in-depth" analysis. The major console manufacturers are all using AMD parts. I don't know about you, but I see this as being a positive for AMD's bottom line.
 
Flopper said:
Problem is, Titan is old aged tech and lost the battle.
Nvidia has no way out, the 780ti sell for less than the 290?
slap in the face for all the owners of Titan and 780 wont happen.

Titan isnt as good, its a dead 1000us sitting there when amd pulled the rug out of its existence.

The below is from nordichardware.
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Yeah I'm not too happy about this, but I'll keep my Titans at this point in time while I game on my R9 290X. Folding@home is a great cause :D

I await water blocks NOW.

Aquineas said:
I'm perplexed by this, but only as perplexed as the average person is when they happen to pass a madman in the streets holding a "The World is Going to End" sign and shouting into a Megaphone. It is clear that you're impossibly biased, you'll gain back some respect in the forum if you at least admit it. In any case, I've been entirely civil with you, and I also don't give a flying frisbee whether you ignore me or not. The reality is, this card is good for the graphics industry and good for AMD.

And as for your previous allusions and your "Nvidia just letting AMD stay around to stay in business" wild speculation in earlier posts, here's a bit of information for you that you obviously ignored in your "in-depth" analysis. The major console manufacturers are all using AMD parts. I don't know about you, but I see this as being a positive for AMD's bottom line.
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You know what they say about arguing with idiots right? By him/her/it claiming that they are incredibly biased would multiply my respect by infinity, but what's infinity multiplied by ZERO?
 
Flopper said:
Problem is, Titan is old aged tech and lost the battle.
Nvidia has no way out, the 780ti sell for less than the 290?
slap in the face for all the owners of Titan and 780 wont happen.

Titan isnt as good, its a dead 1000us sitting there when amd pulled the rug out of its existence.

The below is from nordichardware.
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LOL I guess you can read palms and tell the future? How did you come across as the Titan as old technology? LOL
I would agree the Titan will depreciate in value now that the 290x has been released but from my understanding a new TI card will be released that will outperform the R290x.

I could say the 290X is old technology because look how inefficient it is compared to the titan and they are both within 1-3 percent of each other in terms of benchmarks
 
I have found 2 used Gigabyte 7950's on Amazon Fulfillment at a great price. I would be going from 2 6950's and the price would be less than what I would get the 290x for, what do you guys think? Also, there is no way I could crossfire 2 x 290x or probably even 2 x 290's with the 850 Watt Power Supply I have.
 
UnrealCpu said:
LOL I guess you can read palms and tell the future? How did you come across as the Titan as old technology? LOL
I would agree the Titan will depreciate in value now that the 290x has been released but from my understanding a new TI card will be released that will outperform the R290x.

I could say the 290X is old technology because look how inefficient it is compared to the titan
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Im curious, how is it inefficient compared to a titan :)?
 
IdiotInCharge said:
If he's really spewing 'hatred', send examples to Crosshairs. That crap isn't good for anyone.

But if you want to help, try seeing where he's coming from. If people don't start recognizing each other's points of view, we might as well ask the mods to lock this thread immediately.
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You know sir, you're absolutely right. Here are the facts as I see them, as unbiased as possible:

  1. AMD's cards run hotter and louder than their counterparts from Nvidia, and not by an insignificant amount. I already have a pretty big power supply and yeah, it does get warm in my office in the summer when I'm gaming, so it *is* something to think about. Given the tradeoffs, I can live with that.
  2. AMD just released a new card, undercutting their competition in cost and meeting or exceeding them in performance. I can definitely live with that.

It doesn't hurt my feelings if he (or anyone else) buys an Nvidia card. But honestly I just got annoyed reading the thread and seeing the repeated snide backhanded remarks, and I responded, and I'll admit, I haven't contributed a lot of positive to the thread, so I'll hush. Personally I don't like Nvidia very much due to a long history of shady behavior that I believe emanates from the top, but as an developer, I sure as hell commend their engineers when they do something right. The same way I think Aaron Rodgers is the best QB I've ever seen despite hating the Packers. I call it like I see it.
 
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Manofgod: 2x 7950's have great bang for the buck even at MSRP. Go for it. Just be aware not everything will work with CF. You certainly could run 2x R9 290X's with that PSU though:
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mesyn191 said:
Manofgod: 2x 7950's have great bang for the buck even at MSRP. Go for it. Just be aware not everything will work with CF. You certainly could run 2x R9 290X's with that PSU though:
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Yeah, but I am also running an overclocks FX 8350 so that would be pushing it a bit. :D
 
Aquineas said:
You know sir, you're absolutely right. Here are the facts as I see them, as unbiased as possible:

  1. AMD's cards run hotter and louder than their counterparts from Nvidia, and not by an not unsubstantial amount. I already have a pretty big power supply and yeah, it does get warm in my office in the summer, so it *is* something to think about. Given the tradeoffs, I can live with that.
  2. AMD just released a new card, undercutting their competition in cost and meeting or exceeding them in performance. I can definitely live with that.
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It sounds like to me you are trying to decide which card to purchase to suit your needs. The 290x is a great card for the money if you can put up with noise/heat/PSU demands. The GTX 780 especially non reference coolers/boards are less noisier/heat and you wont notice a difference unless you are gaming at 4k and it not a dramatic difference.

Personally if i were you i would wait until the non reference boards are released for the 290x , see what the TI has to offer or go with GTX 780 when the prices are reduced under 500.00. The question is are you really going to be happy with fan noise and heat to achieve titan level of performance? At 1080p the GTX 780 will be great for 6 months and provide you with a quiet case less heat /wattage worries and you can still game at 4k at titan speeds when overclocked. plus what is going to happen when you want to go cross fire? 290x puts out 95c at full load for one card! or do you want to get a GTX780 and maintain a cooler case/environment .

If I was looking to upgrade that is what i would be thinking of
 
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I see you went with the windforce cooler

I have owned the GTX670,680 and now the 780 versions and they are so much better then reference

AMD would of been doing good if they released this card on launch day
 
UnrealCpu said:
I see you went with the windforce cooler

I have owned the GTX670,680 and now the 780 versions and they are so much better then reference

AMD would of been doing good if they released this card on launch day
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I had a WF 670, it was pretty good, almost as good as the 7970 Dual X I got for $10 cheaper :p

I'm still waiting on the answer to how Titan is more efficient than a 290x!

the only place I see that is that it uses 10% less power than a 290x in quiet mode and 15% less in Uber mode, however in uber mode, the 290X is faster in most cases, and considerably faster in 4k(and probably multi-screen) gaming.
 
Digital Viper-X- said:
I had a WF 670, it was pretty good, almost as good as the 7970 Dual X I got for $10 cheaper :p

I'm still waiting on the answer to how Titan is more efficient than a 290x!

the only place I see that is that it uses 10% less power than a 290x in quiet mode and 15% less in Uber mode, however in uber mode, the 290X is faster in most cases, and considerably faster in 4k(and probably multi-screen) gaming.
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Yeah, part of me really wanted the 290 or 290x. However, I am a lot more careful than I used to be about what I spend money on and how much. Probably, it a couple of years, I will upgrade to the 290's then because they will be old tech and cost a lot less.

I love gaming but do not game as much as I used too.
 
ManofGod said:
Yeah, part of me really wanted the 290 or 290x. However, I am a lot more careful than I used to be about what I spend money on and how much. Probably, it a couple of years, I will upgrade to the 290's then because they will be old tech and cost a lot less.

I love gaming but do not game as much as I used too.
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Nice price on the HD-7950. Really nice price. Good purchase.
 
Digital Viper-X- said:
I had a WF 670, it was pretty good, almost as good as the 7970 Dual X I got for $10 cheaper :p

I'm still waiting on the answer to how Titan is more efficient than a 290x!

the only place I see that is that it uses 10% less power than a 290x in quiet mode and 15% less in Uber mode, however in uber mode, the 290X is faster in most cases, and considerably faster in 4k(and probably multi-screen) gaming.
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I think you answered your question . To me efficient is using less power by producing less heat which Nvidia does well. If you go crossfire with these cards you will be increasing your wattage even more since one card as you stated the titan produces 15% less power in uber so times that by 2 at full load. But if you are a power junkie and noise does not bother then i can see why you have a hard time understanding what has been mentioned in reviews.
 
UnrealCpu said:
I think you answered your question . To me efficient is using less power by producing less heat which Nvidia does well. If you go crossfire with these cards you will be increasing your wattage even more since one card as you stated the titan produces 15% less power in uber so times that by 2 at full load. But if you are a power junkie and noise does not bother then i can see why you have a hard time understanding what has been mentioned in reviews.
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But if the 290x is faster, isn't the extra power justified :)? if not, why did you not stay with your 680? it uses less power than a the 780 you run does't it?

It seems that you still don't understand about the heat generation: Just because your card Runs cooler, doesn't mean it generates less heat.

You seem to be constantly knocking the 95 degree thing, or the noise thing, and not seem to understand that the 95 degree temp is set there for a reason, to keep noise down with the reference cooler.

The only REAL efficiency I see Titan having over AMD is that it has a more efficient reference cooler.
 
Aquineas said:
I'm perplexed by this, but only as perplexed as the average person is when they happen to pass a madman in the streets holding a "The World is Going to End" sign and shouting into a Megaphone. It is clear that you're impossibly biased; you'd gain back some respect in the forum if you at least admit it. In any case, I've been entirely civil with you, and I also don't give a flying frisbee whether you ignore me or not. The reality is, this card is good for the graphics industry and good for AMD.

And as for your previous allusions and your "Nvidia just letting AMD stay around to stay in business" wild speculation in earlier posts, here's a bit of information for you that you obviously ignored in your "in-depth" analysis. The major console manufacturers are all using AMD parts. I don't know about you, but I see this as being a positive for AMD's bottom line.
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Yeah i knew about the consoles using AMD parts I am sure they need all the help they can get since AMD stock has dropped from 11.00 to 3.38 the last 5 years on a constant downward trend. Nvidia and Intel are hoping they dont go bankrupt and then what then? Do some research on how monopolies work and how the government can intervene
 
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