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Nope.
Of course for obvious reasons I don't like 8 as many others, but the Skydrive ingratiation of 8.1 requiring using a Microsoft account to log onto my computer did it for me. Microsoft could of allowed you to use a local account and sign into Skydrive separately, but no, they don't. It actually is a little insulting to me. The only reason I can think of that they make you do this is because they think people are too stupid to know to log into Skydrive separately, like you had to do with 7 and 8. The idea that Skydrive is more "tightly" integrated is a BS excuse. That only thing different is that it's included out of the box.
Its funny, it used to be that you paid for a Windows license and then added whatever you needed. It used to be that all the crapware and trialware that came with OEM PC's could be cleansed by a clean install of Windows. Now the crapware is Windows itself. Now you pay for a Windows license but you're looking at ads in default apps and default search as you're trying to fight your way back out of the box Microsoft's marketing department is trying to herd everyone into because they think it will be an easy shortcut to gaining share in other markets like mobile and online services in which they're far less relevant. If they want desktop users on their me-too online services that bad they should really reduce or eliminate the upfront Windows cost. I'm sure that'll be their next brilliant maneuver once they've worn everyone's patience real thin and it won't make as much difference as it could now.
Given their clear Windows roadmap of phasing out the desktop and Win32 and full steam ahead for walled, locked down tablet OS, its starting to look like Windows 8.0 will be the last Windows I'll ever use. We had some good times, MS.
They cannot and will not go that far, at least not within the next 10 years.
I'm still holding out hope that corporate rejection of Win8 will push MS into releasing a version with Metro disabled. Otherwise, I'll stick with Win7 until MS gets its head out of its fundament and remembers most of its sales go to productivity users.
Nope.
Of course for obvious reasons I don't like 8 as many others, but the Skydrive ingratiation of 8.1 requiring using a Microsoft account to log onto my computer did it for me. Microsoft could of allowed you to use a local account and sign into Skydrive separately, but no, they don't. It actually is a little insulting to me. The only reason I can think of that they make you do this is because they think people are too stupid to know to log into Skydrive separately, like you had to do with 7 and 8. The idea that Skydrive is more "tightly" integrated is a BS excuse. That only thing different is that it's included out of the box.
They cannot and will not go that far, at least not within the next 10 years. That is pure hyperbole at best.
Until they do. Then you apologists will quickly shift stances to "Well who didn't see this coming" and "Well you had plenty of time to prepare".
"Not in the next 10 years" = laughable. Nobody could've predicted they'd be as blindly aggressive as they have been with attempting to ram a tablet interface and tablet appstore down desktop users' throats, and yet that happened. At this point nothing is out of the question for Microsoft, nothing would surprise me. And given the trajectory set by first Windows 8 and now Windows 8.1 with the increasing encroachment of ads and online services into a *paid OS*, it is obvious the direction they're headed.
I'm hoping they've learned their lesson. Ballmer is gone, Julie Larson-Green was removed from the Windows division, and rumor is that Windows RT is dead or at least being 'merged' with Windows Phone OS. It's also rumored that the next version of Windows will be launching in 2014 and Aero will be making a comeback in some fashion.
I still don't understand how Microsoft managed to completely miss the boat on low-cost tablets and screw up the Windows 8 UI so badly. Hopefully Terry Myerson and the people under him have real design talent and a better grasp of what users actually want.
The Windows 8 UI is based on Windows Phone 7, which had great reviews on a phone. They didn't mess up when it came to a touch interface. They messed up when they made the touch interface interfere with keyboard/mouse usage.
Frankly, there are a lot of things I'm hearing about 8.1 that's pushing me to stay on 8 at the moment.
They have some similarities (the tiles). The problem isn't just that it's a touch OS on a desktop product, it's not very well designed to begin with. There's no charms bar in Windows Phone, and there was no reason to split traditional start menu options between the start screen and the charms bar in Windows 8.
I can imagine a future where Windows provides a sort of unified tile launcher across platforms. It wouldn't be a problem if desktop users had the option to stay in desktop mode rather than switching back and forth between tiles and the desktop to launch apps. This is going to be important in the future even as phones become the dominant general computing device. When I'm on the go I want a good touch UI, when I'm at home and have the phone connected to my keyboard/mouse/monitor I'm going to want a desktop UI.
Nope.
Of course for obvious reasons I don't like 8 as many others, but the Skydrive ingratiation of 8.1 requiring using a Microsoft account to log onto my computer did it for me. Microsoft could of allowed you to use a local account and sign into Skydrive separately, but no, they don't. It actually is a little insulting to me. The only reason I can think of that they make you do this is because they think people are too stupid to know to log into Skydrive separately, like you had to do with 7 and 8. The idea that Skydrive is more "tightly" integrated is a BS excuse. That only thing different is that it's included out of the box.
They didn't mess up when it came to a touch interface. They messed up when they made the touch interface interfere with keyboard/mouse usage.
Use the web client, then. Duh.
In the entire existence of all of these discussions, I have yet to find one single person with a valid example of how the new interface interferes with keyboard/mouse usage. Essentially every interaction you could have with your Windows computer is version agnostic when it comes to keyboard and mouse interaction. It doesn't matter whether you're on Windows 7 or Windows 8.1, the keyboard/mouse interaction is the same for the same task.
Feel free to cite examples where the new interface does in fact provide an impediment to keyboard and mouse users.
Read my last post. I detailed it quite clearly there how Microsoft's implementation of the Start Screen and Metro interferes with keyboard/mouse usage.
IMO, one of the main problems with the Start Screen is the lack of folders and subfolders in the all apps menu. It makes those who have workstation programs (like matlab, comsol, etc) a pain to navigate through.
Then there's the manner of the settings. Instead of mirroring all the settings across both the desktop control panel and Metro control panel, they decided to arbitrarily put things here and there, so you occasionally end up flipping between the two control panels trying to get what you need. This especially applies to the network control.
Like I'm going to remember every little tool that comes with the software.
And it's not about finding the tool that's my gripe, it's about the user guide and introduction PDFs. These PDFs are simply labeled "Introduction" or "User Guide," and without the subfolder showing where they belong in, it's impossible to tell what they are. Cadence and Comsol alone take up the entire screen with icons and PDFs. Edit: It also makes the All Apps screen look extremely cluttered, which I do not like at all.
Tell me why I can't change the lockscreen background from the desktop control panel.
Tell me why I can't change my account picture or password from the desktop control panel.
Tell me why I can't change the Start Screen theme from the desktop control panel.
Why is the refresh and reset options can only be used through the Metro control panel?
I can now honestly say people like you are the primary reason Windows 8 defenders get a bad rep. I'm not going to even bother responding to you from now on, as you are exactly like a horse with blinders on.
Ignore-filtered him months ago. Has financial stake in MS or just wants to argue. When someone isn't even willing to admit that Metro wasn't designed for keyboard/mouse PC's but mp3 players, smartphones and tablets and only later considered for keyboard/mouse as part of a strategic afterthought toward longterm eCommerce and mobile ambitions, its hard to have a conversation.
All of this could have been solved with a simple Metro on/off switch. Or an auto-detect at bootup: If touchscreen detected then default to Metro, else Windows. Boom, done. But that didn't happen, MS still believes they can "Stockholm" everyone into Metro, and here we are.
I can now honestly say people like you are the primary reason Windows 8 defenders get a bad rep. I'm not going to even bother responding to you from now on, as you are exactly like a horse with blinders on.
When someone isn't even willing to admit that Metro wasn't designed for keyboard/mouse PC's but mp3 players, smartphones and tablets and only later considered for KB/M as part of a strategic afterthought toward longterm eCommerce and mobile ambitions, its hard to have a conversation.
For the organization: Windows 7 doesn't have any of those organization problems, and it just looks absolutely messy on the Windows 8 All Apps menu. It isn't that hard to implement subfolders in the All Apps menu, and it won't be a detriment to touch screen users at all. Instead, it can arguably make it easier for touch screen users to navigate, and at worse make it about the same. It would be almost exactly like accessing folders on Android or iOS. Android and iOS started without the option to have folders to organize apps, and due to user demand they added it. Yet Windows, with its much greater plethora of programs, decided that folders was not needed. WHY!?
You have to go through the lockscreen to get through the desktop. Therefore, I consider it as part of the desktop.
The Start Screen is the primary method for launching programs, whether it's a desktop program or Metro program. Winkey+type takes you to the Start Screen to launch the program, therefore, it's part of the desktop.
The default method for managing user accounts is through the Control Panel in Windows 7. Why did it need to be separated?
Also, "Nobody manages it from the Control Panel?" IT users probably won't, but the average person does. Not everyone is an IT user.
Typing Restore or Refresh in the Start Screen search, and hitting Restore/Refresh leads you to the Metro Control Panel. Tell me how you can use it in the desktop.
BTW, I've been using Windows 8 on my desktop, have been for a year now ever since it came out. I am fine with it for the most part, EXCEPT those things that I mentioned. I've also been one of the people defending Windows 8 in the first few months, yet you imply that I am the typical Windows 8 hater. You absolutely have no idea what you're talking about.