Adam Orth was fired weeks ago.
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Microsoft Is Removing Xbox One DRM
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Adam Orth was fired weeks ago.
He was following the company line and doing his job. Why don't you go to work and don't follow what your boss tells you and see how long you have your job. He got stuck with a shit task. This guy has up until this crap been a great asset to the Xbox community. And he's a hell of a nice guy. Sometimes our jobs require we do thing we don't always want to do.
I agree 100%. Way to stay stuck in the past instead of moving diskless. All over a once a day internet server ping, as bitched about by people posting on said internet. The used games thing will be a sh**show on both systems the first time EA makes people buy a new single player license. Reading the threads on this stuff lately has made me remember how much I hate gamers in general TBH. The angry factions/entitlement is even worse than the apple vs android stuff.
To the people saying the cloud is BS, you can point to sim city all day and I'll point to gakai/onlive. Or, think of it like a physX card in a remote location. You don't need it, but it will make the cloth/hair/explosions look better by offloading compute. Or, make it an extra 2 gigs of ram to store the location of every bullet hole and broken piece of crap that is on the ground and would normally just disappear. If you don't like the camera, turn it backwards and put that s*** on a power strip so you can click the whole thing off when you leave the room. As for the price, the PS3 cost more 7 years ago, so I don't really get the hate there either. It is 100 dollars difference for something that should last 5+ years and it comes with more in the box. If you don't want the camera, oh well, as packing it in is how they make sure all devs will not be afraid to use it. Who knows though. After they bitched out on the DRM stuff, maybe they will make a poor-people/tinfoil version without the camera for launch.
LOOL
If you really REALLY believe that, then i have these magical beans that i would like to sell to you, they were passed to me by the King of Nigeria himself!
This should quell the explosive rage from a good chunk of Xbox One haters. Not everyone, there will always be haters/douches.
I think this is more along the lines of powering nitro-glycerine on a fire. Now Microsoft can be called out on all the "cloud computing" stuff that required the connection at least every 24hrs(never-mind the none-sense of this idea, less knowledgeable people took them at their word). I thought they said that the cloud would make it 3 times more powerful?!?! Oh, now that's not going to happen? Not only that, but MS showed their hand and their true intentions with the console market...1984 is not the future.
I would do as told unless what I was told to do is against my morals. In my opinion out-right lying is against my morals. So, it looks like I have better ethics than Major Nelson, because he has no problem outright lying to the public. He freaking grabs that mike out of AJ's hand and said that "it can't be turned off" when it clearly can be. He also had a choice to do the interview, he chose to despite the outrage online he decided to stand for BS DRM, as opposed to the Gamer he's supposed to represent...Also, remember the last group of people who were "just doing their jobs" ?
I'll still harbor ill will towards them simply for them attempting to do massive harm to the consumer. Simply getting the idea in their heads and planning to move forward with it is all I need for my ill will.
Says who? I still approach their products with suspicion to this day because of that.
Here's hoping Major Nelson(lying about being unable to disable the 24hr check-in) and Don Matrick(mocking the Military and telling them to stick with the 360 as the Xbone isn't made for them) are next....
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Except some of the always on internet complaining was a tempest in a teapot ... people don't mind buying apps on cell phones that they don't really own ... people don't mind their phone talking to the mothership and sending data back to their carrier ... MS was too upfront about this and they did it too soon ... when the companies do PS5 and XBox Infinity (or whatever the next will be) they should be totally media free (just like phones are now and computers will be by then) ... they can then implement all the online features they want since they will have eased the consumer into it ... it never pays to give the consumer too much info or do something too drastic before they are ready for it ... just a few more years of netflix, phone apps, and streaming music and consumers should be weaned off the antiquated ownership models of the last century
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Reading all the arguments (lies) for the anyways on drm reminds me very much of the simcity debacle...
Pffft less knowledgeable people schmeeple!,
SGTGimpy is a reliable source over there, i'm sure that he has met the precogs that designed the system first hand so that with a single connection each 24h MS would be able to offload onto your machine all the calculations that it would need to do, in the next 24h, so that it becomes "main times more powerfully than the PS4 no matter what hardware is in the physical console."
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You want to make an oblique reference to MS marketing following orders being equivalent to the Nazis
... just a mild stretch don't you think ... unless you had some other exaggerated analogy in mind No, it really won't. How exactly do you expect them to leverage server-side calculations in a game that is already highly dependent on latency? So then you have individual player latency (all the people playing online), host latency (the server running the game) and then cloud latency (any additional processing done by the cloud computing provider), and you expect this to work? This is just not logically possible unless MS has found a way to cut the latency down substantially, and even then it would be highly dependent on your location and connection speed. Way too many variables for the developers to work with. This might be possible on games that are single player and do not really on quick inputs to play, but I really don't see this ever being viable for an FPS game.
Guys, seriously, can we please turn edit on for these posts in the news category?
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My take on this is it looks REALLY bad on Microsoft. They should have said the course. They had done interesting ideas and i would have liked to see the implementation. Now it's more of the same. This reminds me of John McCain in the republican primary where he is Supposed to be representing more conservative values and suddenly is suggesting the government will bail out anyone who is upside down on their home because we bailed out wall street. I was like what? Things get right and you 180 your course? Makes the observer feel like you had no clue what you are doing in the first place. It invalidates everything.
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Indeed. Its still a raw nerve but they made the right choice. I'm sure the PS4 having a 2:1 preorder ratio had more to do with it than anything.
That's all I cared about. That $100.. Give me that and keep the other policy and I was good.
Me too, I wanted to see the market reaction and follow up 2 years from now.
Wow, you have no idea how they plan to use it. You should read up on it before you make any more comments. I know you won't though. Ignorance is bliss and all that.
I'm with you man. I wanted that flexibility with my games and shit and not worry about finding a fucking dvd and being able to play my games on any XboxOne. Fucking nerd ragers man...
Nah, there are ways to offload computations that don't require a fast latency time. There is an interview with an Xbox engineer that explains it pretty well.
Yea it's unfortunate man. And we still didn't get the $100 off. =(
Preach! I never pay more than $35 for my xbox live subscriptions. And you get an entire year to wait for another deal to get it and just store it till you are ready to use it. I mean shit this forum has a fucking hot deals section where I get the scripts half the time.
What I also want to know is where are people getting the idea that the Kinect piece is the sole reason for the $100 difference? Is there an article or document out there that stated as such? It seems to me people are pulling that one out of their ass.
That last line is unnecessary. You want to talk war history yeah that was the last time we really needed to fight for freedom everything sense then has been about anything but freedom. I have seen far too many Nazi references in reference to this console stuff. Stop it! It is a poor reference and shows poor taste and little respect for the gravity of those events.
These are toys and don't compare in any way.
People want to have their cake and eat it too. We can't always get everything the way we want. I was fine with the first way and I'll be fine with the second option now. Game sharing was cool but hey everyone poised in the pool and now we all have to get out.
And according to most of the polls in this forum most everyone in here probably still won't buy the system and it's unfortunate that those opinions counted so much.
It cracks me up to because all the GameStop haters just helped that company stay relevant.
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You know the funny thing on my comments about this is that every just bluntly says Im wrong but never gives me any proof t say other wise
So I will give you my proof on how I know I am correct. I am a Network infrastructure engineer and I design, build and maintain the exact system and cloud infrastructure that Microsoft would be using for this type of compute offloading. So I know 100% that is kind of functionality is possible and has been for some time.
Now it is up to Microsoft to implement it correctly and since we have not seen the X1 in action. You cannot say it is bullshit. If Microsoft doesn't screw it up and correctly implements it, yes it will make the X1 many times more powerful than the PS4. But with Microsoft track record of late I am not betting on it.
It would be pretty easy to design a system that:
- Allowed a copy of a game to be sold and transferred to new owners an infinite number of times
- Allowed the current owner of a copy of a game to digitally loan it.
- Allowed the current owner of a copy of a game to use it on any console, as long as they play from their account.
Yeah, when someone/company tries to do harm to you, you hold that against them. Maybe I'll try to burglarize your house and take some of your stuff away (consumer rights), then two weeks later I'll stop by and we can be friends and forget all about it.
I'm concerned with my consumer rights and preservation of first sale doctrine. The fact that it helps Gamestop is secondary. Gamestop only exists because my rights as a consumer exist. If others choose to let a company exploit their rights, that's up to them, but I sure like having choice and control over items that I purchase.
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Also the 24 connection requirement was for check Content licenses not compute offloading.
and you can keep you magic beans, they give gas
8.1 is still pointlessly tied to touch input on non-tablet hardware, and remains a lousy productivity OS.
Here is how i know you are wrong:
The online support was a single connection each 24h, so you would have to know exactly all the calculations that would be needed in the next 24 hours for each machine, and to know that you would have to have freaking precogs and they do not exist, and in case that they do exist what the heck are you wasting their knowledge of the future in a stupid console?
But seriously, keep trying to pass off your "knowledge and expertise" in the matter, but seriously even with always online there is no real way to be many times faster in a cost effective way vs a console that is naturally 33% more powerful, because, and here is the kicker, it would have been cheaper to make your own console that much faster due to the inherent cost of the infrastructure for this case.
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That is the most ignorant thing I have ever heard. How the hell is a once every 24 hour connection going to give them an idea of what is needs to offloaded?
So your saying If I was playing one game for one hour that doesn't use offload then I all of sudden decided to play a game that had the offload feature. My console know that I would play that game 24 hours in advance? It wouldn't.
Also it was already know the 24 hour check in was for content verification due to not needing the physical disc.
Sorry Try again.
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There are some pretty significant changes in 8.1 that were solely to make desktop/laptop keyboard and mouse users happier. From what I've seen there are enough options to make using Windows 8.1 on the desktop much easier for some. The biggest thing I'm not sure about and something that's completely configurable today in 8 are program defaults. With the changes in 8.1 coupled with some type on setup wizard to set programs defaults to desktop apps and I really think that it would be a breeze for most people to use Windows 8.1 like they've always used Windows on the desktop.
But even with 8 today, desktop app productivity isn't going to be any different from 7 if you get used to it.
i don't need to try, you failed.
Because the 24h check in was the only thing exclusive to the 180, if a game requires to be online only, do you really think that the least powerful console had some magic dust even though the hardware is exactly the same (except 33% slower, or the ps4 is 50% faster however you prefer to see it).
If you do think that magic dust exist, the beans will be waiting for you, and you will keep buying them, maybe not from me, but apparently, MS already sells you a nice supply.
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I guess getting your asses handed to you in pre-order sales actually had a significant effect.
Or do people really think MS cared one wit for what people were saying online? Ha. They care about money, not comments.
Of course, the same disconnected people are in charge there as was the case before this change, so there is nothing -- nothing at all -- to say that some or all of these "features" won't be brought back at a later date.
Oh well, there are always sheep out there ready, even eager, to be fleeced.
Or do people really think MS cared one wit for what people were saying online? Ha. They care about money, not comments.
Of course, the same disconnected people are in charge there as was the case before this change, so there is nothing -- nothing at all -- to say that some or all of these "features" won't be brought back at a later date.
Oh well, there are always sheep out there ready, even eager, to be fleeced.
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I'm sure it was just a ploy to begin with, after all, any publicity is good publicity.
Microsoft, just trolled the whole world bad.
Microsoft, just trolled the whole world bad.
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Without the Kinect, the PS4 has better hardware for $399.