Microsoft Is Removing Xbox One DRM

What most of you people forget is that the majority of people don't browse tech sites about rumors and system specs blah blah blah. People that come to this site and many like it are maybe 0.1% of the potential buyers. Sales of the xbox one and ps3 will more than likely come down to customer loyalty of which brand console they had previously.

If that was true then the PS3 would have slaughtered the 360 as the PS2 destroyed the Xbox.
 
Judging by the elimination of disc-free play (and possibly common sense) I'd say disc free play was the reason and not EA :rolleyes:

I don't see "the elimination of disk-free play" anywhere...:) Maybe you mean the so-called "shared" disk-free play? IMO, that would *never* have happened anyway--it was way too complex an undertaking. Microsoft would later have said, "Nope--can't do it after all. Sorry!" This is far better.

BTW, disk-free, downloaded software has been available for years for a number of platforms, from the PC on down to the current consoles. I don't know where the idea ever came from that "disk-free & downloaded" is "something new"....
 
After they sell a whole bunch, they'll just turn it back on! Are you going to trust them now after they have been such pricks about the whole thing???

Yet you trust SONY whom put root kits on people computers, back tracked on the need for PS+ and now forces it in the PS4, and lost peoples data, back tracked on backwards compatibility and the ability to install Linux.

I have said it before and will say it again none of you will know shit until the consoles actually release. At that time you will see if and how many publishers implement DRM, what tricks they use to force used games. And over time both will probably change policies and force you guys online. What the real cost of things ends up being. Until then its all PR and spinning. Sony won round 1 hard but if MS had announced this at E3, all of you would right now be talking about how full of shit Sony is for forcing PS+ for multiplayer.
 
I have said it before and will say it again none of you will know shit until the consoles actually release. At that time you will see if and how many publishers implement DRM, what tricks they use to force used games. And over time both will probably change policies and force you guys online. What the real cost of things ends up being. Until then its all PR and spinning. Sony won round 1 hard but if MS had announced this at E3, all of you would right now be talking about how full of shit Sony is for forcing PS+ for multiplayer.

Bullshit. If everyone just sat back and waited for both consoles to release, Microsoft wouldn't have relented as they did now. You Microbots with your "just accept change" attitudes can shove it.
 
I foresee $100 price drop next week, followed by removal of Kinect requirement, and then onto a complete redesign so it looks nearly identical to the PS4. If you can't beat them, copy them.

Too little, too late. We've seen the future of the Xbox, and what will surely come to pass in future generations, and it was rejected wholeheartedly. They may win some diehard fans back with this 180, but most won't forget it and will make it known with their wallet.
 
I applaud MS for making this change. I feel that this has very little to do with nerd rage or listening to their customers and more to do with them getting caught with their pants down. I think MS assumed Sony would do the same thing as MS talks to the same publishers they do. When they didn't MS had an oh fudge moment as Sony pummeled them over it.
 
This should quell the explosive rage from a good chunk of Xbox One haters. Not everyone, there will always be haters/douches. :D
 
I applaud MS for making this change. I feel that this has very little to do with nerd rage or listening to their customers and more to do with them getting caught with their pants down. I think MS assumed Sony would do the same thing as MS talks to the same publishers they do. When they didn't MS had an oh fudge moment as Sony pummeled them over it.

How can you applaud them? They were literally forced into this. Sony was trouncing them in sales. It was either give in, or the possibility of taking a big enough hit to end Microsofts gaming division completely. They're still sitting there saying "Fuck the consumer", but unable to do it right now.
 
I'm wondering if it wasn't a combination of:

A: Sony taking pot-shots at it with a railgun big enough to fire Buicks
B: The fact that they'd lose US soldiers overseas in combat areas. Which is actually a fairly LARGE chunk of their current user-base.

Could be A

I call complete and utter bullshit on B though. There was a shitstorm over their DRM/online requirement from all fronts, hell very few fanboys who were defending it.
 
Why do people constantly bring up "GPU, system more powerful" blah blah blah? The PS3 was better hardware wise than the 360, but Xbox live is/was better than PSN so people bought the Xbox. The only real games that will make better use of the hardware will be PS4 exclusives, anything else (the real money makers) like madden, CODs etc... Will be coded for the less powerful system and ported to others with no additions made. Hence why most PC gamers hate console ports.
 
That is pure PR bullshit. Anyone can use the cloud it's coded in the software not hardware. The problem with the cloud is that you have latency and it will ALWAYS be worse than computing all values on the console only.

Okay there is a difference between "Cloud" and process offloading. The X1 is using Servers in the fashion of a server farm to handle massive computation and send the finished product to your console like using a supercomputer to compute massive scientific problems in minutes instead of watching your desktop take days to finish.

Cloud you are using a pool of resources for your environment whether it be a private, hybrid or public cloud instead of using a set of finite resources.

Example instead of your environment being 3 servers with each server have 2 CPU 16GB Ram and 4 TB of Hard Drive working seperate. I now have a cloud pool that contains the total 6 CPU with 48GB Ram and 12TB to use as I wish and acts one big Computer.
 
What most of you people forget is that the majority of people don't browse tech sites about rumors and system specs blah blah blah. People that come to this site and many like it are maybe 0.1% of the potential buyers. Sales of the xbox one and ps3 will more than likely come down to customer loyalty of which brand console they had previously.

What you don't realize is word travels at lightning speed from opinion leaders and people that do visit tech and entertainment blogs to their friends. Obviously this viral effect was powerful enough that MIcrosoft relented.
 
How can you applaud them? They were literally forced into this. Sony was trouncing them in sales. It was either give in, or the possibility of taking a big enough hit to end Microsofts gaming division completely. They're still sitting there saying "Fuck the consumer", but unable to do it right now.


Exactly, being outsold like 4 to 1 is what forced there hand.
 
That is pure PR bullshit. Anyone can use the cloud it's coded in the software not hardware. The problem with the cloud is that you have latency and it will ALWAYS be worse than computing all values on the console only.

EA said the very same thing about SimCity--and some people believed EA about that, too--until EA had to come back and retract all of it. It was pure marketing prevarication. All the "number crunching" was done by the *client* and the server was only used for save games--which wasn't necessary, either, but served as DRM for the game.

Funny thing is Microsoft hasn't actually claimed that cloud games were going to be pre-computed and streamed back to the clients! It's something that has been *inferred* by Microsoft shills and apologists (not speaking officially for Microsoft, of course). It's a conclusion Microsoft wants you to reach without the company ever having to say that "the cloud" will be doing that at all...;) It's clever, no doubt about it. And it isn't true in the slightest.

Those people who buy an xb1 expecting it to amaze them with pre-computed elements in their games that are not rendered locally are going to be some very unhappy campers...;) They can't say, however, that they weren't warned!
 
Steve why didn't you post the story about the poll Amazon had to pull because the Xbox got 5% of the vote? :(

It still has the crappy Kinect spy cam, and is still $100 more expensive (because of shitty spy cam). It would probably make a load of people more happy if they dropped the price and the spy cam, though the Xbox One is still significantly weaker hardware and from an untrustworthy company (though this is possibly a sign that they are changing their ways, though they will probably just introduce it more slowly or not bother with physical sales or something).

Untrustworthy company? And you trust Sony more? Root-kits in CD's? Networks that anyone just waltz through?

I'm not saying the Xbox One is better hardware then the PS4. But Sony is a more trustworthy company then Microsoft? You must be out of your head.
 
My guess is that this reversal has less to do with customer dissatisfaction and Sony and more to due with GameStop trying to pull a power play on MS.
 
My guess is that this reversal has less to do with customer dissatisfaction and Sony and more to due with GameStop trying to pull a power play on MS.

Gamestop didnt pull anything. all they did was stop selling the console alone and are forcing you to buy it in a bundle with a game.
 
While I was expecting an about face from MS I didn't think it would come so quickly. I believe the strong pre-sales of the PS4 is what forced this decision HOWEVER anyone that thinks Sony can't or won't try the same thing down the road are just fooling themselves. Not to mention just because it is not a requirement on the XB1 or PS4 that doesn't mean the developers won't reintroduce the DRM restrictions. Pandora's box has been opened its just a waiting game to see how long it takes to see the end result.
 
Now if they get rid of the Kinect requirement I may buy it one day to play Forza 5.
 
If this is true!?!? I am going to cancel my PS4 Pre-order and get the Xbox One now...This seems to good to be true, it's a complete 180 of what they marketed and are acknowledging defeat and the uprising roar of hate from the people!
 
EA said the very same thing about SimCity--and some people believed EA about that, too--until EA had to come back and retract all of it. It was pure marketing prevarication. All the "number crunching" was done by the *client* and the server was only used for save games--which wasn't necessary, either, but served as DRM for the game.

Funny thing is Microsoft hasn't actually claimed that cloud games were going to be pre-computed and streamed back to the clients! It's something that has been *inferred* by Microsoft shills and apologists (not speaking officially for Microsoft, of course). It's a conclusion Microsoft wants you to reach without the company ever having to say that "the cloud" will be doing that at all...;) It's clever, no doubt about it. And it isn't true in the slightest.

Those people who buy an xb1 expecting it to amaze them with pre-computed elements in their games that are not rendered locally are going to be some very unhappy campers...;) They can't say, however, that they weren't warned!

What they are doing is process offloading to a server farm. Latency has nothing to do with it that amount of information being sent and received is small. The console will have all the required large information all the offloading is doing being a job to figure out where things go and it sends back the answer. It elevates the console having to do a bunch of number crunching for processing or Graphics. Same functionality has existed with supercomputers and graphic designers. It is nothing new, just new in the console world.

If Microsoft implements this function correctly it will allow the X1 to become main times more powerfully than the PS4 no matter what hardware is in the physical console. ( The key words are (implements correctly)
 
OMG there needs to be an edit button

FIX now

What they are doing is process offloading to a server farm. Latency has nothing to do with it. The amount of information being sent and received is small. The console will have all the required large information and all the offloading is send a plot job to figure out where things go and it sends the answer back. This elevates the console having to do a bunch of number crunching for processing or graphics. Same functionality has existed with supercomputers and graphic designers. It is nothing new, just new in the console world.

If Microsoft implements this function correctly it will allow the X1 to become main times more powerfully than the PS4 no matter what hardware is in the physical console.
 
From what i have gathered thus far.


  • Kinect is still required.
    Live is still required for all online services.
    Still $100 more.

My other problem is that now we know what Microsoft wants. Will they brute force the DRM on us at a later date in one way or another? What "features" are going to be dropped from the xbone as a result?



While seemingly innocent that sentence sounds rather ominous to me.

you can kiss steam like sales good by fuck you all btw for that
id rather games for 10 bucks then this
 
lol. Go figure. Their analysts must have been crunching them numbers and realizing that DRM would cost them huge potential sales.

Ah well, it's a start. But still left a sour taste; I'll be with the PS4 this gen.
 
They did, remember all that digital sharing and family plan stuff?

"“These changes will impact some of the scenarios we previously announced for Xbox One. The sharing of games will work as it does today, you will simply share the disc. Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.”"

id like to get a big FUCK YOU to every one that bitched about the DRM
i LIKED the idea of sharing downloadable games and not have use physical disk


FUCK ALL YOU PEOPLE THAT BITCHED
 
id like to get a big FUCK YOU to every one that bitched about the DRM
i LIKED the idea of sharing downloadable games and not have use physical disk


FUCK ALL YOU PEOPLE THAT BITCHED

Blame Microsoft. They could have done both. Kept their original plan with digital downloads, and kept the previous traditional policies for those who bought physical disks.
 
you can kiss steam like sales good by fuck you all btw for that
id rather games for 10 bucks then this

So you're mad because you thought you could get games cheaper? So live with Bullshit because you THINK you can get done better deals? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
id like to get a big FUCK YOU to every one that bitched about the DRM
i LIKED the idea of sharing downloadable games and not have use physical disk


FUCK ALL YOU PEOPLE THAT BITCHED

Wow, just wow. I guess you can't figure out that Microsoft is purposely punishing its fanboys by removing those features. There's no reason they would do it otherwise. I guess they figured the little jab in the eye over the family sharing would be enough to get the fanboys crying like babies.

Looked like it worked.
 
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