Wow! I guess I'm going to be the next gunman in a massacre. When I was in school 20 years ago, I was teased relentlessly. Now I own 2 AR-15 rifles and a 1911 handgun. Never mind the fact that I have a job, a beautiful wife and son, own my own house and 2 vehicles. I'm not a rich guy, but I'm holding my own.
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New York Looking to Regulate 3D Printed Firearms
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Wow! I guess I'm going to be the next gunman in a massacre. When I was in school 20 years ago, I was teased relentlessly. Now I own 2 AR-15 rifles and a 1911 handgun. Never mind the fact that I have a job, a beautiful wife and son, own my own house and 2 vehicles. I'm not a rich guy, but I'm holding my own.
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So why own a gun if you don't plan to use it to kill something? 
Is it just to feel better because they're locked inside a metal box someplace in your house?
Is it just to feel better because they're locked inside a metal box someplace in your house?Commander FAT
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Technically Chicago doesn't ban all firearms although they would if they could.
They did ban the Hi Point though. The most affordable semi auto pistol available. $600 Glocks and $5,000 custom 1911s are good to go though.
They did ban the Hi Point though. The most affordable semi auto pistol available. $600 Glocks and $5,000 custom 1911s are good to go though.
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Careful, Obama is watching.
So why own a gun if you don't plan to use it to kill something?
I wish you would just stop posting already. You're ignorance is becoming rather annoying.
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So why own a gun if you don't plan to use it to kill something?
I own guns because I can't lug a Navy SEAL around.
Also they're for family protection, hunting dangerous and delicious
animals, and keeping the king of England out my face.
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Personally I don't care, but it will only take one incident of someone going postal, or a freak accident with a homemade gun to cause a crackdown in general on fire arms (I mean more than just matching what California already has in place for gun control).
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Seriously, that's ALREADY HAPPENING.
Please don't tell me you buy into the "assault weapons" bullshit.
"Assault weapon" is just a political term coined by the gun grabbers to drum up fear and pray on the ignorance of people. At the risk of sounding like a dickhead you seem to fit their demographic perfectly.
"But no one is trying to take your guns away." Obama and company simply want to ban the ownership of millions of commonly owned guns based on what they look like.
"But they only want the big ones that shoot bullets like in the movies". Full autos and select fires are already banned. They try to equate semi auto with full auto. Of course the uninformed and the hoplophobes lap that shit up like it's crack.
When you hear "assault weapons ban" simply think "gun I want to ban". I prefer to call it a semi auto ban because that's exactly what it is. Anyone that thinks I'm full of shit simply needs to read the actual statutes that are in place/being proposed and you'll see. Of course the true mouth frothing gun hater could never be bothered to do any objective research.
The crack down started a looooooong time ago.
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This is a laugher, at best...
A "printed" firearm will be good for a single shot, and will cost a large sum of money to manufacture, especially considering startup costs.
You can manufacture zip guns much more cheaply.
For that matter, if you have even basic skills (can read the instructions) with a milling machine, you could make a fully functional, reliable automatic STEN submachine gun quite easily.
A "printed" firearm will be good for a single shot, and will cost a large sum of money to manufacture, especially considering startup costs.
You can manufacture zip guns much more cheaply.
For that matter, if you have even basic skills (can read the instructions) with a milling machine, you could make a fully functional, reliable automatic STEN submachine gun quite easily.
1) Watch some youtube videos of the arab-spring. How do you imagine the people were able to overthrow the cruel dictatorships? They had guns. Nice military style AK-47s which empowered the people. Every able bodied citizen without a criminal history should own a locked up true military assault rifle IMO to act as a deterrent to invasion (could use a much smaller military) and be able to form a militia if need be as one of the checks and balances on government as the founding fathers intended.CreepyUncleGoogle said:
2) For sport, a few of my uncles and aunts in Germany shoot competatively. Everyone that owns a yew longbow and enjoys archery doesn't plan on putting an arrow through someone's eye socket either, and shoot for fun or hunting.
3) Firearms work as a fantastic deterrent. If you're holding a baseball bat or just your fists in the air, an attacker might still assault you. If you're holding a 12 gauge... probably not. There are also less-lethal options available, such as rubber, bean bag, and salt shot for shotguns in particular. Its far more powerful a tool than a one-shot taser which requires both hooks to hit and penetrate the clothing.
Or you can just go to your local drug dealer and get a used scratched up revolver that works perfectly fine and isn't traceable back to you at only sightly inflated black market prices.
Yeah, it's official, you're a fool. I own a gun and it's primarily for home defense. The second reason I own it is for target shooting. The third reason I own it is in the event of a disaster I can be at least armed if I have to defend myself and my family and to hunt for food. Your entire thought process is that of a fearful child, thinking the boogeyman lurks with his guns drawn to get you around ever corner. The idea that you would paint responsible gun owners in this light is abysmal and I'd venture to guess outside of your errant trolling on the subject, is that you've never owned a gun, fired a gun, seen a gun, much less held a gun.
Yup, because CHL statistics are part of government public record, and indicate that a CHL owner is actually seven times LESS likely to commit a crime than the average person.
Sucks when facts don't agree with one's prejudices and preconceptions.
So why own a gun if you don't plan to use it to kill something?
I own three guns. 2 pistols and a rifle for hunting. So yes I do "plan" to kill something with the rifle since I will "plan" to go hunting. However I never "plan" to kill another human being and that is some extreme troll/flame bait wording you are using right there. I have my handguns and I train with them so in the extremely unlikely event that I do need to use them I am competent with them. I also happen to enjoy going out into the middle of nowhere and training and firing them. It is something that I enjoy doing. Also firearms are not always "locked in a metal box" which is where you get open carry, and concealed carry. IMO a gun is not about making yourself "safer" since it is a weapon which means it is not defensive but it does allow you the ability to fight back with greater chances of equalizing a fight. I wouldn't like my chances of going toe to toe against an intruder in my home because I don't know if he has a knife, gun, is 250lbs etc but being able to get one of my guns would greatly increase my chances of being able to fight back and win.
Perhaps you should better acquaint yourself with firearms, their uses, and not be all scared about them through your own ignorance.
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I'm not scared of a gun. What scares me is the people that want to own them.
Well sorry to say this but you must be awfully scared of people then huh since something like 30+% of people in the US are firearm owners? I mean my 90lb 5'0" grandma must scared you shitless because she wanted a gun when my grandpa died because she was living by herself. I mean she must be an absolute cold blooded killer planning to kill hundreds of people at heart because she wanted a gun.
What is it about wanting to own or actually owning a gun that automatically makes someone into a person that you should be scared of? Going off statistics for people that die from firearms I would think you should be more scared of teens that want to buy a car.
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Well sorry to say this but you must be awfully scared of people then huh since something like 30+% of people in the US are firearm owners? I mean my 90lb 5'0" grandma must scared you shitless because she wanted a gun when my grandpa died because she was living by herself. I mean she must be an absolute cold blooded killer planning to kill hundreds of people at heart because she wanted a gun.
What is it about wanting to own or actually owning a gun that automatically makes someone into a person that you should be scared of? Going off statistics for people that die from firearms I would think you should be more scared of teens that want to buy a car.
Seriously, your grandmother is probably pretty scary with a gun and so are teenagers who buy cars. If that 30% thing is true, then that's terrible because there are so many irresponsible people with guns. It's no wonder we have school and movie theater shootings with that many guns in the nation and I can see why we haven't fixed it yet. There's gotta be a gigantical lobbying group pushing their agenda for selling more guns to people.
At least you admit to being a coward and afraid to use the liberty's granted to you. Instead of infringing upon mine just stick to be craven and leave me the hell alone.
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It'd be okay if people were responsible with the stuff they buy, but look at how many little kids get shot or people going to the movies are hurt or killed. There's not even a day that goes by that someone in the US probably isn't shot by someone else with a gun. If people were even a little bit more responsible (not saying at all that you or anyone else here isn't, but go down south where dads are out shooting pumpkins with their kids and drinking beer at the same time) then no one would care if someone had one. It's just that there are a lot of people that own them who shouldn't and are only one drink or one hormone rage fit away from killing a bunch of people.
God forbid if some one spends quality time with their kids! You are a sad little citidiot,
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People should spend time with their kids doing constructive stuff to help them learn about the world around them, but I'm pretty sure you're missing the point on purpose so you can be angry with me and justify insulting someone.
I find teaching my children marksmanship to be constructive. I also hunt with them. Each to their own just mind your own damn business and stay in your city. Seems simple to me but oh no s cant do any of that! They need to tell all of us how to live and to hell with what we want until we fight back.
So go hide under your bed, in a concrete bunker, filter the air and water for all pathogens/contagions and rubber pad the walls. Live your life scared of everything that could possibly happen but will unlikely not happen. Sure my grandma is scary with a gun. . . If you break into her home late a night. Is that why you are so scared of guns? Something you do on a regular basis perhaps?
By the way: We have these shootings not because of guns or even the people who buy guns. You have these because you have crazy people out there and we have no real way in our country of dealing with people who have serious mental issues. I like how you try to compare me, my grandma and all other gun owners to those people who massacre people and how you can't understand that there are other reasons for wanting to be a gun owner than to "Plan" to kill people. But good job with your flame bait and troll you are real winner I can tell.
Dude this kid is completely off his rocker. I took the flame bait also.
Why aren't you scared of people who own cars? After all, they commit far many more injuries and deaths than firearms ever could on a per year basis. Does your trolling have an endgame somewhere? I'd like to know so I and others can stop making you look like a douche-nozzle every time you get into these discussions.
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I so would crawl into a bunker if I could.
Those Fallout vault things look awesome to me, but I do live above ground most of the time and bunkers are probably kind expensive to own.Before this gets angry though, I don't want you to think that I'm accusing you of being a mass murderer and yeah, I completely agree that we don't really have a good way to take care of people with serious problems. In fact, we stink at even identifying those kinds of people before they do something wrong. It's kinda off topic, but I think that people are all crazy in different ways so it's hard to predict if one particular person is going to be really psycho and kill a bunch of others. That is part of the problem and, unfortunately, the best way to solve it right now, since we can't monitor ourselves very effectively, is to think about the greater good instead of being selfish and throwing up walls of uniqueness by saying "I'm responsible, so I should be allowed and those other people are the ones we need to worry about." It's important that smart, rational people stop and think about it without being protective, personally motivated, or emotional over something they want staying around at the cost of other peoples' lives.
Well, the way we typically deal with these psychotics that go on shooting sprees is a good person with a firearm shooting them or pinning them in a location where they shoot themselves.
I can't think of any shooting sprees that were stopped by someone walking up with an ice cream cone and speaking softly.
Luckily, the good people outnumber the criminals/crazies by the thousands, so the only way they have real power is if they have a power multiplier. Ideally, yes, you could ensure they can't get a firearm, but the fact that there are 10 million illegal aliens in our borders and marijuana can be bought on every other street corner in major cities demonstrates that making a good illegal doesn't stop people willing to break the law from getting it at a slightly inflated price.
Now, I don't mind reasonable measures though that aim to empower good citizens while harming the very small minority of criminals in society; such as relaxing gun ownership laws for good law abiding citizens, creating 'negligence' laws for people that say leave a firearm sitting on their car seat to be stolen or allow unauthorized access by a minor, and increasing punishment for criminals caught with a gun or committing an aggrivated crime with a firearm.
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Because you missed it and just because you're so super awesome Meth...
I so would crawl into a bunker if I could.
Before this gets angry though, I don't want you to think that I'm accusing you of being a mass murderer and yeah, I completely agree that we don't really have a good way to take care of people with serious problems. In fact, we stink at even identifying those kinds of people before they do something wrong. It's kinda off topic, but I think that people are all crazy in different ways so it's hard to predict if one particular person is going to be really psycho and kill a bunch of others. That is part of the problem and, unfortunately, the best way to solve it right now, since we can't monitor ourselves very effectively, is to think about the greater good instead of being selfish and throwing up walls of uniqueness by saying "I'm responsible, so I should be allowed and those other people are the ones we need to worry about." It's important that smart, rational people stop and think about it without being protective, personally motivated, or emotional over something they want staying around at the cost of other peoples' lives.
I think I am just going to leave this quote here by Benjamin Franklin. You might find it enlightening I am not sure.
If you took every single gun out of the hands of the populace do you really think you will be that much safer especially in the long run? If you do I really think you are naive.
Ditto, I enjoyed hunting with my dad as a bonding experience, and considered the firearm training (although exclusively longarms) to be a valuable self-defense skill for when I become an adult and it taught me a respect and familiarity with firearms with safety drills to where I would get pissed if I saw someone practicing a huge no-no such as carrying the gun wrong, loading or unloading it in an unsafe manner, keeping the finger inside the trigger guard, etc all things I otherwise wouldn't know if not taught about firearms and firearm safety.
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I've heard that one before and I don't even disagree with it either except that it's been taken out of context and I don't think that's even the correct original quote anymore because it's been watered down.
I think the military, police, federal agencies, and even private security people can and should be able to use guns. I'm not sure about a lot of average people and I don't really think it's a loss of liberty or essential rights to not have them or have them get more regulated. We've gotta stop yelling at each other and start looking at it with open minds or we won't really get anywhere at leaving the world in a better condition than when we found it.
Unfortunately for you though, you didn't write or ratify the constitution of the United States, nor are on the Supreme Court to try and reinterpret the clear intent.
You should focus on things that kill far more people every week, and that is texting and driving.
http://books.google.com/books?id=W2MFAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA270&lpg=PA270t#v=onepage&q&f=false
I don't know if you can call that watered down but please enlighten me.
Great so you are willing to allow the rich, the powerful, and the government be the only ones who control all the firepower in the US. That sounds like a perfect plan that is guaran-damn-teed to make sure that the middle and lower class are protected. . . Besides you started this flame bait yelling by implying that anyone who wants to or already does own a gun is a premeditated murderer. Open minds my ass.
As far as you don't really think it is a liberty or essential right then why the hell is it the second amendment right after free speech? Seems like it should be pretty damn important to me.
No thanks. I am not giving a damn thing up and the majority of Americans disagree with you. Best of luck trying to force people to give up their weapons. I heard prison is what you are describing. I will take every ounce of military training and asymmetrical warfare I have learned and fight anyone who tries. Funny part about it you cowards demand these things but wouldn't dare attempt them yourself. You would try and send better men to do it for you and that is why it will never happen. WE WONT PARTICIPATE.
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Unfortunately for you though, you didn't write or ratify the constitution of the United States, nor are on the Supreme Court to try and reinterpret the clear intent.
You should focus on things that kill far more people every week, and that is texting and driving.
Yup, that's true. And if the right people think about it and they decide something is going to be a certain way, that's okay with me too. I won't get upset, but I might at least send an e-mail or something to someone that represents me in government to let them know what I personally think. (I did for that SOPA thing and met a really awesome Senator because of it!)
And hey, I already grumbled about texting and driving. It's stupid. So there!
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Maybe I'm wrong about that. I'm a big kid and can admit it.
Great so you are willing to allow the rich, the powerful, and the government be the only ones who control all the firepower in the US. That sounds like a perfect plan that is guaran-damn-teed to make sure that the middle and lower class are protected. . . Besides you started this flame bait yelling by implying that anyone who wants to or already does own a gun is a premeditated murderer. Open minds my ass.
Yes, I'm 100% okay with the government being in control of the guns and I think that it won't hurt anything at all. People are way to power trippy about what they think a gun lets them do and the rich successful people have at least proved they're smart enough to become rich and successful so they should be making the decisions for everyone else. They did, after all, organize the government for that whole reason -- so smarter people could be elected and take control of people who don't know better or can't fend for themselves.
I'm pretty sure it was reasonable when they wrote the amendment, but it'd be kinda a bad thing not to at least reconsider it in modern times, just to make sure it's still valid and there's a good reason for it to exist.
Maybe I'm wrong about that. I'm a big kid and can admit it.
Yes, I'm 100% okay with the government being in control of the guns and I think that it won't hurt anything at all. People are way to power trippy about what they think a gun lets them do and the rich successful people have at least proved they're smart enough to become rich and successful so they should be making the decisions for everyone else. They did, after all, organize the government for that whole reason -- so smarter people could be elected and take control of people who don't know better or can't fend for themselves.
I'm pretty sure it was reasonable when they wrote the amendment, but it'd be kinda a bad thing not to at least reconsider it in modern times, just to make sure it's still valid and there's a good reason for it to exist.
It is even more necessary than ever. You want to know why we have never been invaded? Look up General Isoroku Yamamoto. Want to know why our Govt hasn't put the boot to heel yet? Have you ever traveled to a country with the kinds of laws you speak of? They are not nice places and the so called military and LEO are unchecked. Know why? Because they have the hardware and the people are meat to be exploited by industry and the Govt. You live in fantasy land kid. Our founding fathers had it right and thank God the majority of Americans disagree with you and will fight you if necessary to keep our rights.
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No just No. They organized the government so people could elect those that they felt best would represent them and their interests. Not to elect those that they thought were the smartest. Tom Cruise is rich how about we let him make your decisions. How is Scientology for you? No one ever inherits all their money either right? No such thing as "old" money
So let's reconsider free speech too huh? I mean that can be deadly and pain in the ass too for the government to have to deal with. Or how about the third amendment. Let's get rid of that one because it isn't likely to be used anytime soon since the government is so trustworthy you would never think that if we did away with the 2nd and 3rd that we would ever have a problem right?
Nonsense. Toy gun buybacks are totally logical:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/10/calif-elementary-school-offers-toy-gun-buyback/
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Seen several of your posts here and I have come to the conclusion that you are a professional shock value troll.
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Ironic, all those listed who you said should own guns have no duty to protect me.
Protection of myself and my family is my responsibility, and I want the best tool for the job.
I will not give someone else that responsibility because they are often ill-trained, and their best response time is just enough to pickup my warm corpse.
Self-defense is a natural right. It cannot be granted thus is cannot be taken away.