Xbox One blocks used games - goodbye MS!

This is not "goodbye Xbox", it's "goodbye Game Stop". The only thing that will change is you will not buy used games. The bad thing is, I doubt that like Steam and Gamefly and Amazon, you will get huge discounts on games like the PC. Maybe this will be thing that breathes new life into PC gaming.

in my house we have 3 xbox 360 consoles and we share all the games... I will not be buying this new console.... at least with my wii u titles, I can take them to my friend's house and play....
 
Who needs them when you have a Steam DRM Scheme on the console.

This DRM is exactly like steam.. Honestly not surprised.. But I won't be getting one.

fail steam will work offline for MONTHS at a time, I know 'cause that's how I use it
 
I don't care how it affects MS, but it is goodbye from me if I cannot rent/buy used games and play them without extra fees.

Has Sony confirmed they will allow this? If not then I don't care about next gen at all, since I can't afford to buy new games.
 
Has Sony confirmed they will allow this? If not then I don't care about next gen at all, since I can't afford to buy new games.
They answered a question with a question "Do you want us to blocked used games?".
 
According to an update on the article if you install the game on a different console it automatically deactivates the other install. So you couldn't split the cost of the game. Unless you don't connect it online?

That wasn't confirmed by Microsoft. It was "speculation" by "Jon Hicks, the editor of Official Xbox magazine"
 
The game is tied to the profile not the console. Conceivably you could take it to a friends house and log in and play.
Microsoft did say they were coming up with a way to trade used games online.
 
The game is tied to the profile not the console.
Yes, that's true. However, they also said that people living in the same house can play the same copy of the game. Like I pointed out in a post here or there, does that mean the owner of the game needs to be logged in, or does the system know it is the "home" system and allows users to play on it even if the owner is not logged in.
 
We should all really just be thankful that we only have to buy a $60 game once to play it at all. They could easily have said "$60 for the client and since it's cloud computing, you have to pay more for the server end and the client does nothing without the server".
 
Yes, that's true. However, they also said that people living in the same house can play the same copy of the game. Like I pointed out in a post here or there, does that mean the owner of the game needs to be logged in, or does the system know it is the "home" system and allows users to play on it even if the owner is not logged in.

I'm sure it'll be exactly the same as current Xbox content. They come with two licenses: a console license and a Live account license. Anyone signed into the console that has the console license can play it. Any console the that Live account is signed into can play it.
 
There's been some updates to that article. Supposedly it will be full retail price for the resale. Which essentially says, no used games. Why in the world would you buy a used game with a full retail price tag?

Microsoft corporate vice president Phil Harrison has suggested that customers who activate a pre-owned retail disc for the Xbox One will need to pay the same price as the original buyer to access the content.

When asked by Kotaku whether the secondhand owner will be "paying the same price we [the original buyer] paid, or less" Harrison responded "let's assume it's a new game, so the answer is yes, it will be the same price."

Harrison also said that owners can trade their secondhand games online, however the company is "not talking about it today".

I doubt Microsoft changes this, same with the always online console (24 hour check-in). Look at the deaf ears they had with Windows 8. They don't listen to their consumer base, they know what is best for all of us. So you all better just shut up and take it. ;)

Think about it, Microsoft's main business model is licensing. Of course they are going to move to make games license based. It's an evolution of their business model, and the first two Xbox's were just stepping stones to get there. If they really want to appease the audience with this, they'll allow games to be "downloaded" for $15 (or so) cheaper than the retail BluRay cost. Couple that with steam-like sales, and they could pull it off. But retailers will throw a fit on that business model.
 
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I actually won't be surprised if Sony and Microsoft have identical, or nearly identical policies. When EA announced they were getting rid of their online pass, they probably weren't doing it only because one of the next-gen systems was going to implement this thing. After all, didn't Sony basically only say they weren't blocking the playing of used games? That doesn't mean there won't be a fee... they just haven't elaborated yet.
 
Killing the used games market is a publisher and console maker's dream. They've been trying to have a more captive audience, and it seems with this gen everything moves to online activation and thus no used content.

It is of course complete BS and why I will be enjoying my current consoles. I do wonder about the legality of this in Europe. Unlike USA, EU actually has policies to favor the consumer and you can't legally block 2nd hand sales.
 
I actually won't be surprised if Sony and Microsoft have identical, or nearly identical policies. When EA announced they were getting rid of their online pass, they probably weren't doing it only because one of the next-gen systems was going to implement this thing. After all, didn't Sony basically only say they weren't blocking the playing of used games? That doesn't mean there won't be a fee... they just haven't elaborated yet.

They were probably waiting to see what MS did. Sony could turn this into an advantage though. If they come out at E3 or in ads and say they won't do anything to the used market it could get a lot of people on their side.
 
Another question. I have 3 Xbox 360's. Would I have to buy the game three times? I mean to play it all simultaneously, I have to do that now, but if I wanted to take a game from the living room and play it in the bedroom, would I be able to?

If not? No sale. No way. I do that fairly often, as do my kids. If that's not possible, I will not be buying it regardless of the other features that I think are very awesome.
 
Another question. I have 3 Xbox 360's. Would I have to buy the game three times? I mean to play it all simultaneously, I have to do that now, but if I wanted to take a game from the living room and play it in the bedroom, would I be able to?

Major Nelson had issued a clarification yesterday, after the event, in regards to this sort of thing. If the situation came up, where you wanted to bring one of your games to a friends house, if you sign into your profile it'll work, and there's no fee. This was on Kotaku:

Update - Microsoft's Larry Hryb has issued the following clarification:

Another piece of clarification around playing games at a friend’s house – should you choose to play your game at your friend’s house, there is no fee to play that game while you are signed in to your profile.

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So, as long as you have your profile loaded on all your Xboxes, it sounds like you'll be fine. In a slightly different scenario, somebody asked Major Nelson, on a Yahoo! Chat Q&A today, what if somebody has a single console, but multiple profiles:

Comment From Mikayla
Could you clarify the situation regarding multiple accounts on ONE console. My boyfriend and I both have our own accounts. Will we be made to pay twice for 1 game in order for us both to use our own accounts?

Major Nelson (Larry Hryb): As I noted earlier we're still working on some of the policies..but our goal is that it would work like it works today on Xbox 360.

Full Yahoo! Chat Q&A

My guess is the games work similar to XBLA, where your purchase are tied not just to your console, but also your XBL Profile/Account, so you can load and play them on another system.
 
You guys just don't get it... This IS the game! The loophooles you have to jump through to do something you've been accustomed to is because this reality is all just a video game and the difficulty has been increased!
 
This is not like steam:

If I buy something on the Xbox one, I do not know if it will transfer to whatever new xbox is after that. I don't worry about Steam when I upgrade my computer (the last 50+ times). Maybe one day it will be a problem, but until then...this is nothing like Steam.

All the stuff I bought on Xbox 360 is worthless. Has steam ever done this?
 
This is not like steam:

If I buy something on the Xbox one, I do not know if it will transfer to whatever new xbox is after that. I don't worry about Steam when I upgrade my computer (the last 50+ times). Maybe one day it will be a problem, but until then...this is nothing like Steam.

All the stuff I bought on Xbox 360 is worthless. Has steam ever done this?
Good point!
 
Due to games being able to be installed from the disc and then played WITHOUT the disc in...if the second-hand fee can be avoiding by simply keeping the disc in the machine during play, that would be fine. I'm hoping this is the case.
 
Due to games being able to be installed from the disc and then played WITHOUT the disc in...if the second-hand fee can be avoiding by simply keeping the disc in the machine during play, that would be fine. I'm hoping this is the case.
I don't think that is how it works because someone could install it on their system, then give it to their friend to "leave in the system", which Microsoft won't allow.

I really think XBOX One game disc are simply a medium to transport the game data to you. Whether you download it or install from a disc, once it's linked to your account, that's it.
 
I don't think that is how it works because someone could install it on their system, then give it to their friend to "leave in the system", which Microsoft won't allow.

I really think XBOX One game disc are simply a medium to transport the game data to you. Whether you download it or install from a disc, once it's linked to your account, that's it.

You'll be able to unlink it from your account. I bet that they're still working out the details on that with publishers. The publishers probably want you to pay to do that.
 
This is not like steam:

If I buy something on the Xbox one, I do not know if it will transfer to whatever new xbox is after that. I don't worry about Steam when I upgrade my computer (the last 50+ times). Maybe one day it will be a problem, but until then...this is nothing like Steam.

All the stuff I bought on Xbox 360 is worthless. Has steam ever done this?

They already said you can play your game on any console with the account the game is tied too. It's exactly like Steam.
 
They already said you can play your game on any console with the account the game is tied too. It's exactly like Steam.

Making consoles like Steam seems to work to erode one of the very few strengths consoles have over PCs.
 
They already said you can play your game on any console with the account the game is tied too. It's exactly like Steam.
It's not exactly like steam. Steam has a offline mode that lasts more then a day. It has not been stated whether or not you can download your game if you bought the retail version of it or not. Having to login to your account to play a game on a friends console is not what i want from a CONSOLE.
 
They already said you can play your game on any console with the account the game is tied too. It's exactly like Steam.

No it's not as you cannot carry your collection from one console to the next. With Steam you can carry your collection forward as long as the OS supports the game code...

You cannot play in offline mode on the Xbox one. It must check in once a day at a minumum and every time you buy a new game it has to check in within 24 hours or it quits working until it does check in. Steam allows you to stay offline for a very long time once it has validated your games

Steam has said that if they do indeed go offline, they would release a patch to enable Steam to work with the user's existing collection.

When MS decides to no longer support the one, it's game over for your (litterally) as your library is useless on a new platform is past history is any indication.
 
So let me get this straight, as we understand it now, we can only loan a game to a friend if we physically sign in to their console? So if a friend comes over and sees I have "The New Badass Game of the Month" and wants to try it out, I'll have to either go other there with him and sign in or give him my Live credentials for him to sign me in himself? What a crock of shit.
 
You and a friend could split the cost of a game, then both install it and both technically own the game forever.

I don't know if the same copy can be played against itself, though. If it can be played against itself, you may actually be saving money with this.

keep dreaming. the whole thing is designed so micro[$]oft gets a cut of used sales - they want more money. pigs will fly before they allow what you speak of.

it will be amusing to see so many people angered by the path they are going down still hand microsoft money. for some reason hardly anyone holds out and votes with their wallet.

When MS decides to no longer support the one, it's game over for your (litterally) as your library is useless on a new platform is past history is any indication.

exactly what they are doing with the 360. mo money.


when will they push retail past $60? - you know they'd love to... and will one day. there is no such thing as enough.
 
They already said you can play your game on any console with the account the game is tied too. It's exactly like Steam.

That is like saying Steam works only for Dell Computers :rolleyes:

I don't know how you don't understand...My XBOX 360 Games/Arcade Games are WORTHLESS that I bought digitally when I upgrade my console system. What steam game that you bought is worthless when you upgraded your computer?
 
That is like saying Steam works only for Dell Computers :rolleyes:

I don't know how you don't understand...My XBOX 360 Games/Arcade Games are WORTHLESS that I bought digitally when I upgrade my console system. What steam game that you bought is worthless when you upgraded your computer?

PCs architecture don't change like consoles, it's unfair to ask for games to be fully compatible on a completely new console, that would limit how they can introduce new technologies.

Your digital games just like hard copies will work on the system it was designed for, if the new architecture was similar to the previous generation, they would have added BC support for sure, software emulation is way too much work to get right considering how complex the games are, we're not talking about transferring stuff as simple as some phone apps here.
 
PCs architecture don't change like consoles, it's unfair to ask for games to be fully compatible on a completely new console, that would limit how they can introduce new technologies.

Your digital games just like hard copies will work on the system it was designed for, if the new architecture was similar to the previous generation, they would have added BC support for sure, software emulation is way too much work to get right considering how complex the games are, we're not talking about transferring stuff as simple as some phone apps here.

I am just arguing the case that it can't be compared to Steam and the PC. I completely understand that the games aren't compatible with the new architecture. But, people trying to defend this saying it is like Steam, is where they are wrong. This is nothing like Steam.

I lean towards a Playstation fanboy, but I am even mad about the games I bought on the PSN that are not going to be able to be played on the PS4. This is why I mostly game on my PC, because of BS like this. This is nothing like what I have ever seen from Steam/PC.

Can't sell or play my games that I bought from either console (xbox360/ps3) - $750 worth give or take. They are worthless once I upgrade. Screw that. I will buy a PS4, but only to play my physical discs. I will not be buying anything from the PSN anymore, unless they say it will be able to be played on future consoles, which won't even happen until close to the release of the next generation....oh well.
 
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Your friends cannot borrow your Xbox One games. That's really sad.

Yea , this is a deal breaker for two people I know where hot to buy the system. Now they are jumping ship to the PS4. Of course Sony could announce a similar feature now that MS is doing it so it may be futile regardless but Sony probably won't do that since right now they are in the best position they have been in 8 years to take over MS for this entire generation in sales and popularity.

Trading/Borrow games from friends is one of the bread and butter activities gamers have become use to over the decades. Its pretty important to a lot of people.

Wouldn't be surprised if MS back peddled a bit on this one at E3 due to all the negative responses.
 
Maybe I'm dense but, if I buy a game and play it, then sell the physical disk to my friend for say $20, does my friend then in turn have to pay MS the "fee" which may be full retail price? Because now it could potentially have just cost my friend $80 for the game. I'm confused, or just dumb. Maybe both!

I have a couple friends that finance the next purchase of games by buying and selling games. They don't keep games forever.
 
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