Linux Ubuntu 13.04 'Raring Ringtail' Is Released

User interface is the same as 12.x.

Seemed to boot faster, but might be my imagination.
 
I just love the on/off switches that make it feel like OS X... :rolleyes:
Linux: Mac Edition

Yeah, Canonical is dead to the Linux community.
By attempting to please everyone, they have pleased no one.
 
Red Falcon said:
I just love the on/off switches that make it feel like OS X... :rolleyes:
Linux: Mac Edition

Yeah, Canonical is dead to the Linux community.
By attempting to please everyone, they have pleased no one.
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I like the animated window snap. Where have I seen that before? :rolleyes:
 
Is it really even worth updating to? I still have some odd app freezing issues in 12.10 that still need to be ironed out. Never had any problems with that in 12.04. Anyones thoughts on experiences with 13?
 
iNViSiGOD said:
Is it really even worth updating to? I still have some odd app freezing issues in 12.10 that still need to be ironed out. Never had any problems with that in 12.04. Anyones thoughts on experiences with 13?
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I skipped 12.10 completely. I'm keeping my desktop on 12.04 for now and just finished upgrading my 4 year old laptop from 12.04 to 13.04. To early to tell atm how well it'll pan out.

Whither it's worth upgrading for you, it depends.
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/04/should-i-upgrade-to-ubuntu-13-04

Press reaction is kinda meh, but the general opinion on the ubuntuforums it's a pretty solid release.
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/04/press-reaction-to-ubuntu-13-04
 
I'd love to switch from Windows, but I do have quite a few Windows games. How's Wine doing these days? I'm guess dual booting is still the preferred solution.
 
Ruoh said:
I'd love to switch from Windows, but I do have quite a few Windows games. How's Wine doing these days? I'm guess dual booting is still the preferred solution.
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still more effort than its worth.
 
Tweak42 said:
I skipped 12.10 completely. I'm keeping my desktop on 12.04 for now and just finished upgrading my 4 year old laptop from 12.04 to 13.04. To early to tell atm how well it'll pan out.

Whither it's worth upgrading for you, it depends.
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/04/should-i-upgrade-to-ubuntu-13-04

Press reaction is kinda meh, but the general opinion on the ubuntuforums it's a pretty solid release.
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/04/press-reaction-to-ubuntu-13-04
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Thank you for the reply. I appreciate the input, 12.10 has left me a bit sour with it's issues with applications freezing up (memory leaks?) but I wouldn't mind grabbing 13 to see if it fixes some of the issues I'm currently having.
 
Ruoh said:
I'd love to switch from Windows, but I do have quite a few Windows games. How's Wine doing these days? I'm guess dual booting is still the preferred solution.
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In my experience game play is hit and miss, wine has come a long way but it's still simply emulating windows libraries. But I have had much better success than with older versions dating back about 5 years ago, so progress is being made.
 
i love how they get excited about "new" features that have been around in other operating systems even windows ffs for ages. Linux used to be the main innovator that Microsoft stole all of its ideas from whats happened? And version upgrades on software applications that update automatically is not really a new feature or a reason to switch to the latest version. And as mentioned gaming is one of the big reasons many of us don't open our arms to linux for everyday use.
 
Uberazza said:
i love how they get excited about "new" features that have been around in other operating systems even windows ffs for ages. Linux used to be the main innovator that Microsoft stole all of its ideas from whats happened? And version upgrades on software applications that update automatically is not really a new feature or a reason to switch to the latest version. And as mentioned gaming is one of the big reasons many of us don't open our arms to linux for everyday use.
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Ubuntu does not by any means represent GNU/Linux, and is honestly the red-headed step-child of the Debian Linux branch at this point.
It is so far removed from what Linux represents that it honestly needs to just be disassociated from the Debian branch all together imo.

Linux still innovates, just not Ubuntu.
 
iNViSiGOD said:
In my experience game play is hit and miss, wine has come a long way but it's still simply emulating windows libraries. But I have had much better success than with older versions dating back about 5 years ago, so progress is being made.
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PlayOnLinux with WINE 1.5.28 (32-bit) works very well, and I have been able to get almost 95% of modern games to play successfully in it with full DX9/10/11 support and textures via DirectX DLLs.

From what I've seen though, WINE does not play well with programs or applications that require the .NET Framework at or above version 3.0.
The games being played though, have no framerate loss at all, as there is no emulation, but a simple software layer that might tack on an extra 3% processing requirement to a single CPU core, so the loss is absolutely minimal.
 
Red Falcon said:
PlayOnLinux with WINE 1.5.28 (32-bit) works very well, and I have been able to get almost 95% of modern games to play successfully in it with full DX9/10/11 support and textures via DirectX DLLs.

From what I've seen though, WINE does not play well with programs or applications that require the .NET Framework at or above version 3.0.
The games being played though, have no framerate loss at all, as there is no emulation, but a simple software layer that might tack on an extra 3% processing requirement to a single CPU core, so the loss is absolutely minimal.
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Very well said Red Falcon, I use the PayOnLinux wrapper and have had great success with it. I'll have to try it with some more recent games.
 
wonderfield said:
Everything that gains popularity eventually becomes dead to the Linux community due solely to its increased popularity and not due to any functional inadequacy.
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Believe me, it's not the popularity that is killing it.
Ubuntu's back-end has always been flaky, and the addition (more like requirement) of Unity/Gnome 3 and lightdm was the final nail in the coffin with Ubuntu and Canonical.


Very well said Red Falcon, I use the PayOnLinux wrapper and have had great success with it. I'll have to try it with some more recent games.
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Glad I could help.
The support for games via Steam (Windows version) in WINE is huge and has grown immensely in the last year, and I've only had issues with a few titles so far.

I definitely recommend using WINE 1.5.10 and above, and don't forget to download all of the DX DLLs along with it.
 
I used Ubuntu for several months a couple years ago. I liked it a lot back then but couldn't get over the effort it took to get games to run in wine. Fast forward to a couple of weeks ago. I was looking to do some web development on Linux - downloaded and installed Ubuntu 12.10. I was horrified by Unity, it was pretty terrible. I switched to Linux Mint. Its much better. If 13.04 is still using Unity, I don't think there is any reason for me to give it a try again. I'm sure I'll move onto something else eventually, however, I don't necessarily want to take the time to learn yet another Linux distro.
 
crazypooljunkie said:
I used Ubuntu for several months a couple years ago. I liked it a lot back then but couldn't get over the effort it took to get games to run in wine. Fast forward to a couple of weeks ago. I was looking to do some web development on Linux - downloaded and installed Ubuntu 12.10. I was horrified by Unity, it was pretty terrible. I switched to Linux Mint. Its much better. If 13.04 is still using Unity, I don't think there is any reason for me to give it a try again. I'm sure I'll move onto something else eventually, however, I don't necessarily want to take the time to learn yet another Linux distro.
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Unity is stil being used in place of GNOME, but unless I'm mistaken you can change between GNOME, KDE and failsafe. Again I'm a noob in Linux so my knowledge very well could be flawed.
 
Just in time. My Ubuntu 12.04 install just took a dump. WINE has always been a pain in the butt for me. I couldn't get CS:GO to work at all.
 
iNViSiGOD said:
Unity is stil being used in place of GNOME, but unless I'm mistaken you can change between GNOME, KDE and failsafe. Again I'm a noob in Linux so my knowledge very well could be flawed.
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One can certainly do this, but Ubuntu's back-end has been absolutely horrible since 11.XX.
Even with these, there is no way to get rid of lightdm or Unity completely, at least not in Ubuntu.

The stability between Ubuntu and LMDE or straight Debian is like night and day, and Ubuntu can't even begin to hold a candle to those.
 
Put 12.04 on my eight year old laptop and it chugged worse than its previous Windows installation.

Picked up the latest Crunchbang Waldorf distro and it's like it became a modern day laptop in speed, performance, and being useful and tasteful instead of the "let's make something everybody can point and click and use, even a child, while also filling it with god knows what these gigabytes are made out of" of Ubuntu.

If you want an alternative to Windows for an old relative just browsing the internet or something, sure, Ubuntu on a fresh modern computer may be good then.
 
Red Falcon said:
Well I'm sorry your 8 year old processor can't handle modern games. :rolleyes:
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Linux is supposed to make a computer faster, more secure, stable, and reboot like never. My 286 at 10 MHz should run CoD: Super Cyborz Edition with the Robomancer Robot Romance DLC at 1.21 jiggalowatts FPS. :mad:

Then again, most video games are stupid so playing them on any computer is only something anime fans do with their girlfriend. ;)
 
Ubuntu may not please the hardcore Linux crowd anymore, it still looks awfully fancy to me. Microsoft should take notice on how to build a modern looking UI for desktop OSes.
wonderfield said:
Everything that gains popularity eventually becomes dead to the Linux community due solely to its increased popularity and not due to any functional inadequacy.
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Which is the exact opposite of the Apple community. The more people who use Apple products proves how right they were. ;)
 
bigdogchris said:
Ubuntu may not please the hardcore Linux crowd anymore, it still looks awfully fancy to me. Microsoft should take notice on how to build a modern looking UI for desktop OSes.Which is the exact opposite of the Apple community. The more people who use Apple products proves how right they were. ;)
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The problem is Unity just sucks. The hatred out there for it far exceeds those who like it. I myself immediately install Cinnamon if I'm using Ubuntu and I gave Unity a fair shot. I'm not afraid of change, but when it becomes counter intuitive it's a waste of my time. However, I've tired of the bloated Ubuntu versions and how it feels slow and clunky at times.

I've moved back to Arch Linux. My laptop now boots about 50% faster and my DE is very snappy. Openbox + SLiM + Tint2 just can't be beat. :p
 
Im kind of considering this for an HTPC build. Anyone care to give me an opinion on the subject? Am I better off with another distro?
 
Vermillion said:
The problem is Unity just sucks. The hatred out there for it far exceeds those who like it. I myself immediately install Cinnamon if I'm using Ubuntu and I gave Unity a fair shot. I'm not afraid of change, but when it becomes counter intuitive it's a waste of my time. However, I've tired of the bloated Ubuntu versions and how it feels slow and clunky at times.

I've moved back to Arch Linux. My laptop now boots about 50% faster and my DE is very snappy. Openbox + SLiM + Tint2 just can't be beat. :p
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What sucks about Unity? Maybe it was bad initially, but no more. I wish Arch had support for it. There's also a big movement in Arch to get it working. I'm sure eventually it will find its way into Arch repos.
 
krogen said:
What sucks about Unity? Maybe it was bad initially, but no more. I wish Arch had support for it. There's also a big movement in Arch to get it working. I'm sure eventually it will find its way into Arch repos.
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The problem with it is it is meant for those who can't figure anything out.
Notice how the newest version is almost a fusion between Modern UI and Aqua.

Mindless computing, not power computing, that's what Unity really represents; appealing to the masses rather than the user-base.
Canonical is doing just what Microsoft is doing with their GUI.

If it gains them more market share, hooray for them, but I, and many many other Linux users, won't be touching their OS ever again.
Unity is also very unstable once it starts to become customized, and I won't even begin on what a mess lightdm is compared to gdm.
 
Red Falcon said:
The problem with it is it is meant for those who can't figure anything out.
Notice how the newest version is almost a fusion between Modern UI and Aqua.

Mindless computing, not power computing, that's what Unity really represents; appealing to the masses rather than the user-base.
Canonical is doing just what Microsoft is doing with their GUI.

If it gains them more market share, hooray for them, but I, and many many other Linux users, won't be touching their OS ever again.
Unity is also very unstable once it starts to become customized, and I won't even begin on what a mess lightdm is compared to gdm.
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That's it exactly. +1 to you sir!
 
Red Falcon said:
The problem with it is it is meant for those who can't figure anything out.
Notice how the newest version is almost a fusion between Modern UI and Aqua.

Mindless computing, not power computing, that's what Unity really represents; appealing to the masses rather than the user-base.
Canonical is doing just what Microsoft is doing with their GUI.

If it gains them more market share, hooray for them, but I, and many many other Linux users, won't be touching their OS ever again.
Unity is also very unstable once it starts to become customized, and I won't even begin on what a mess lightdm is compared to gdm.
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Ubuntu isn't intended for just power users, if that were the case then it would never become widespread and FOSS would still be a tiny niche for computer geeks.

I'm glad Canonical made Unity, and 13.04 has made thr Dash blazingly fast, it doesn't feel clunky at all.
 
janas19 said:
Ubuntu isn't intended for just power users, if that were the case then it would never become widespread and FOSS would still be a tiny niche for computer geeks.

I'm glad Canonical made Unity, and 13.04 has made thr Dash blazingly fast, it doesn't feel clunky at all.
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That's great and all, but once you get beyond the GUI (assuming you don't customize it all), Ubuntu is just a complete joke.
Even 10.XX had its fair share of issues, especially compared to more pure distros of the Debian branch, but 11.XX on has just been a joke to even semi-competent Linux users, not only in the GUI, but also the back-end as well.

I cannot emphasize how terrible lightdm is, and honestly, without additional security measures taken by the user, Ubuntu is not exactly what I would call a "secure" OS.

Ubuntu isn't intended for just power users, if that were the case then it would never become widespread
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I said it once before, and I'll say it again: by trying to please everyone, Canonical has ended up pleasing no one.

If you are happy with Ubuntu's current state, then more power to you, I've never been for denying those the tools that they desire and use.
But I do have to say, Ubuntu at this point is about as far away from Linux as OS X is away from UNIX.
 
After using Ubuntu since 5.10, I've jumped ship. I was recently rocking 12.04 LTS and gave 13.04 a shot in VirtualBox. I don't like it one bit. I don't like that they're keeping the Amazon lens. I don't like the direction the distro is going. I've chosen Arch as my new distro of choice and I couldn't be happier. :)

However, Ubuntu 12.04 Server is still a great distro and I have no complaints.
 
Oh no, Ubuntu doesn't fit someone's specific need for Linux.

Some of us want desktop replacements that have a little additional utility. Does Ubuntu do a spectacular job. Not really especially the interface. But its one of those situations to make progress someone needs to take point.
 
My problem with Ubuntu is the fact that they do not play nice with the rest of the GNU/Linux community and that they are taking pages right out of the Microsoft playbook (EEE) by deliberately creating fragmentation (Mir, Ubuntu SDK) to create incompatibilities with other GNU/Linux distributions.
 
Meh,
I switched to Kubuntu because of the Unity nonsense. KDE is a more solid desktop than Gnome I've found.
 
Dr. Righteous said:
Meh,
I switched to Kubuntu because of the Unity nonsense. KDE is a more solid desktop than Gnome I've found.
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KDE has been better than Gnome for as long as the two were both available. Then again, I'm biased because I think gnomes in general are stupid statues that don't belong in yards or gardens now that plastic pink flamingos are available to the public.
 
CreepyUncleGoogle said:
KDE has been better than Gnome for as long as the two were both available. Then again, I'm biased because I think gnomes in general are stupid statues that don't belong in yards or gardens now that plastic pink flamingos are available to the public.
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My neighbors two Green Bay Packers (Go Pack Go!) gnomes, that face the "wall of shame" when the Packers lose, disagree with you!

Gnome 3 does suck. The recent 3.8 update has been a bane on a number of people thus prompting the quick 3.8.1 which hasn't really solved many problems from what I've seen. KDE isn't bad. I'm a minimalist though when it comes to my desktop. XFCE for me if I choose a full DE over something like Openbox which is my preference.
 
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