First All-Plastic Printed Gun Available in Two Weeks

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The first 3D rendering of an all-plastic handgun is two weeks away from being printed out, tested and turned loose on the Internet as an open source upload for anyone to download and implement. It stands yet to be seen whether or not Federal authorities will step in and halt the upload as illegal.

Once Wilson has printed the gun and ensured that it works, the weapon’s 3D model files will be uploaded to the internet and open sourced — so that you and I can print an almost-undetectable firearm.
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I may purchase one. I would rather go to an 80% party and machine my own un serialized weapon. What people do not realize is long guns are not tracked after 6 months even in Ca. An AR-15 pretty much becomes disposable at that point.
 
It stands yet to be seen whether or not Federal authorities will step in and halt the upload as illegal.
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I don't see what grounds they would have. Specifications, blueprints, and how-too's are completely legal to own. In fact, you can legally build your own gun, as long as it doesn't violate the NFA and you do not sell it to anyone

With certain exceptions a firearm may be made by a nonlicensee provided it is not for sale and the maker is not prohibited from possessing firearms. However, a person is prohibited from making a semiautomatic assault weapon or assembling a nonsporting semiautomatic rifle or nonsporting shotgun from imported parts. In addition, the making of an NFA firearm requires a tax payment and approval by ATF. An application to make a machinegun will not be approved unless documentation is submitted showing that the firearm is being made for a federal or state agency. [18 U. S. C. 922( o), (r), (v), and 923, 27 CFR 178.39, 178.40, 178.41 and 179.105]
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MisterClean said:
I don't see what grounds they would have. Specifications, blueprints, and how-too's are completely legal to own. In fact, you can legally build your own gun, as long as it doesn't violate the NFA and you do not sell it to anyone
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The feds don't need a reason; such is the nature of coercive monopolies.
 
serpretetsky said:
the article lists that the only metal part will be the firing pin. The article also says the pistol will only be good for a few shots.

Seems to doable to me.
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Untraceable, possibly invisible to metal detector, only a few shots...

Seems like an ideal murder weapon, lol. Not really sure what other use it would have.
 
This guy is 20 years too late...

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Not really sure what other use it would have.
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Insurgency weapon. If it came down to it, you would have a way to defend yourself. It may only last a few shots, but that's all you need in some situations to gain the upper hand and take your oppressors weapon.

see the FP-45 liberator (which to me, makes more sense than a plastic gun requiring fancy 3d printers)
 
MisterClean said:
Insurgency weapon. If it came down to it, you would have a way to defend yourself. It may only last a few shots, but that's all you need in some situations to gain the upper hand and take your oppressors weapon.

see the FP-45 liberator (which to me, makes more sense than a plastic gun requiring fancy 3d printers)
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As an insurgent or as a defense against an insurgency? This is the U.S., right? What oppressors are we worried about??
 
tlkimball said:
As an insurgent or as a defense against an insurgency? This is the U.S., right? What oppressors are we worried about??
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Just because Americans have never know the fear of being invaded (mainland) does not mean it can't happen.
 
Erm, plastic barrel will not be very reliable even for one shot. Dangerous. Stupid.
 
tlkimball said:
As an insurgent or as a defense against an insurgency? This is the U.S., right? What oppressors are we worried about??
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The oppressor is irrelevant. The natural right to defend oneself against anything is supreme. Whether that is a person, a group of people, or government.
 
This guy is an Idiot.

The goal of printing a gun. no matter how practicable or dangerous to the user (remember, this guy hasn't even shot one yet! guess we will hear about the suicide by plastic gun if it doesn't work) will succeed in one thing for certain, he will insure that lawmakers will go into Chicken little mode and Ban the making of any gun related parts by 3D printer.

Fabricating certain firearms accessories would be very handy, and well within the scope of current law.

I can't imagine firing a gun that's Guaranteed to fail within a few shots at most, and when dealing with pressures at a Minimum of 20,000 psi, failure is a bad thing.
 
motomonkey said:
This guy is an Idiot.

The goal of printing a gun. no matter how practicable or dangerous to the user (remember, this guy hasn't even shot one yet! guess we will hear about the suicide by plastic gun if it doesn't work) will succeed in one thing for certain, he will insure that lawmakers will go into Chicken little mode and Ban the making of any gun related parts by 3D printer.

Fabricating certain firearms accessories would be very handy, and well within the scope of current law.

I can't imagine firing a gun that's Guaranteed to fail within a few shots at most, and when dealing with pressures at a Minimum of 20,000 psi, failure is a bad thing.
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If the plastic can handle the chamber pressures, then it should be a problem. Although I would certainly be dubious nonetheless.
 
BoogerBomb said:
Well lets hope the unsolved murder rate skyrockets.
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How many murders are solved by tracing serial numbers? I'd bet it's a very small percentage.

Unsolved murder rates are on the rise in Chicago, worst in decades. Their tough gun control laws have done nothing, at least nothing good.
 
BladeVenom said:
How many murders are solved by tracing serial numbers? I'd bet it's a very small percentage.

Unsolved murder rates are on the rise in Chicago, worst in decades. Their tough gun control laws have done nothing, at least nothing good.
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In the rare chance they find the murder weapon at least they can tie it to the suspect, with plastic, I doubt it, regardless of what CSI says.
 
tlkimball said:
As an insurgent or as a defense against an insurgency? This is the U.S., right? What oppressors are we worried about??
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Surely, you jest?

motomonkey said:
This guy is an Idiot.
will succeed in one thing for certain, he will insure that lawmakers will go into Chicken little mode and Ban the making of any gun related parts by 3D printer.
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Gonna be hard to do. As long as lathes, CNC mills, rotary tools are still game, all is good.
 
BoogerBomb said:
In the rare chance they find the murder weapon at least they can tie it to the suspect, with plastic, I doubt it, regardless of what CSI says.
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With as few people who have 3d printers right now, finding a printed gun would probably make it easier to trace than finding a real gun with a serial number. After all, only 15% of federal criminals purchased their firearm from a gun store.
 
leeleatherwood said:
A flare gun is completely different than a real gun.

5.56mm rounds for example have chamber pressures in excess of 50,000 psi.
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A flare gun is technically a firearm.

A 5.56 probably isn't the best choice for an all plastic gun. .45 ACP has a maximum pressure of 21,000 psi.
 
BladeVenom said:
With as few people who have 3d printers right now, finding a printed gun would probably make it easier to trace than finding a real gun with a serial number. After all, only 15% of federal criminals purchased their firearm from a gun store.
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I should have worded it such that I meant to say its easier to tie a metal bullet to a metal gun. With plastic I doubt it will be.
 
Come on guys get real.

the plastic used to make the gun will probably have traces left on the bullet, batch to batch plastic might be used to pin the murder to the bullet. You browsing history, etc... There are so many ways that someone can find evidence in almost any case. Murders are not only solved by finding bullets and matching them to guns. They are solved by good detective work on ANY evidence available.
 
motomonkey said:
The goal of printing a gun. no matter how practicable or dangerous to the user (remember, this guy hasn't even shot one yet! guess we will hear about the suicide by plastic gun if it doesn't work)
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He's fired rounds from weapons assembled with AR15 lower receivers he's printed. Granted, this isn't just a lower receiver he's crafting for an existing weapon system, but it's not as though he's clueless about what he's doing.
 
Sidebar. We were dinking around with 9mm for shits and giggles. We pulled the bullet out of the case, dumped the powder, and put a ball of stiff modeling clay in it, thinking we do some target practice indoors.

A) It doesn't fly straight.
B) It goes right though drywall.
C) I had to buy a new wall clock.

Point? You don't need really high chamber pressures to make a lethal gun. If you used something like aluminum bullets, small caliber, and just a little slow burning powder (rifle powder), you could probably make a plastic gun that could kill at short range.

But making a REAL gun that fires modern ammo ain't happening. Not even a .22 LR.
 
BladeVenom said:
A flare gun is technically a firearm.

A 5.56 probably isn't the best choice for an all plastic gun. .45 ACP has a maximum pressure of 21,000 psi.
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21,000 psi is still ALOT of pressure.

I would not be surprised (actually I would enjoy it) if the gun explodes in his hand.
 
BladeVenom said:
How many murders are solved by tracing serial numbers? I'd bet it's a very small percentage.

Unsolved murder rates are on the rise in Chicago, worst in decades. Their tough gun control laws have done nothing, at least nothing good.
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Laws do no good if they're not enforced. More laws do even less good if you're not willing to even enforce the existing ones. Chicago's crime problem could be solved easily. It seems they just don't want to do anything about it.

As for this plastic gun... I hope it fails. All this will do is bring the wrong kind of attention to an emerging technology. There's so much good that can be done with 3D printing. The last thing needed is for some Pelosi or Schumer or Bloomberg to knee-jerk over what this idiot is doing and call for bans or insane regulations that effectively kill this technology before it has a chance to mature.
 
BoogerBomb said:
In the rare chance they find the murder weapon at least they can tie it to the suspect, with plastic, I doubt it, regardless of what CSI says.
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I would sure hope that someone who takes the time to print a firearm for the sole purpose of conducting an untraceable murder would also be the same person who'd use an untraceable firearm that can be ditched *insert random large body of water*. ;)

We're talking hits here. The ones that usually go unsolved. I doubt Joe Gangbanger is going to be printing a gun for a drive-by.
 
For the amount of money and time you'd spend on a decent 3d printer capable of doing this without a ton of finishing work, materials, and setup, it'd probably be cheaper to buy a gun on the street.

The only people with these will be neckbeard sperglords, and they'll probably be too busy practicing with their bat'leths to learn how to shoot.
 
There was a video recently about how a bunch of afghanis make guns with crude handtools that last much longer than a 3d printed gun that requires a 20K machines to make. Of course that won't stop political parasites from wanting to ban the technology (and likely from both sides of the aisle).

I think to legislate this technology harshly today is stupid, but if 3d printing gets cheap and easy enough, it could very well become an issue.
 
rudy said:
Come on guys get real.

the plastic used to make the gun will probably have traces left on the bullet, batch to batch plastic might be used to pin the murder to the bullet. You browsing history, etc... There are so many ways that someone can find evidence in almost any case. Murders are not only solved by finding bullets and matching them to guns. They are solved by good detective work on ANY evidence available.
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You're getting close.

What they'll do is require microscopic identifiers be embedded in the resin. That way the plastic can be traced. Not just for firearms but patent and copyright infringement. At least that's my guess for 3D printers.

Although I will say that homemade guns aren't exactly all the rage for a reason. Took a few decades but the criminals realized it wasn't worth the risk.
 
jojo69 said:
lol, don't read the news much 'eh ?
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Probably more than you!

No plastic gun is going to protect anyone from an insurgency, an oppressor, or a government. All of those are going to have guns made with metal.

;)

Homemade guns won't make us any safer. People with criminal intent can print them too.
 
This be perfect for me in the uk, cuz no way cops will think a piece of plastic is a gun.

Time to buy 3d printer, now what do i do for ammo hmmmmm.
 
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