I've narrowed down to 5 cases for the steambox: prodigy 26 liters, Silverstone SG 09 23 liters, TJ08-E 30 liters, LianLi PCQ-18 21 liters and Ncase M1 12 liters.
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I've narrowed down to 5 cases for the steambox: prodigy 26 liters, Silverstone SG 09 23 liters, TJ08-E 30 liters, LianLi PCQ-18 21 liters and Ncase M1 12 liters.
I can buy five Fractal Core 1000 with that money and maybe 200 cardboard boxes.
Any of the slimmer single-fan CLCs should fit fine (e.g., H60, Kuhler 620, etc.). Or an H100 If you're using an SFX PSU and don't need the 3.5" cage.So if the h80i is too tight, what's a good air cooler to use in this case with 3570k. Only want a mild overclock (4-4.2 ghz) and a gtx 690? Decent air flow impossible with that combo?
I can buy 20,000 pennies with that money! Do you know what I could DO with that many pennies?!?!
You guys should have made it mATX, still looks amazing nonetheless.
You guys should have made it mATX, still looks amazing nonetheless.
I offer the counter-point of running a decent NAS (Synology or decent DIY) and moving all the static storage (like music, movies, photos, backups, documents) there. With Gbit being the norm, there is no really good reason for anything else than an SSD in your SFF computer.Awesome case! If I want to use an ATX PSU and a sound card in the 3rd expansion slot where can I place a 3.5 hdd? If I use a 10.5 inch graphics card (gtx titan) is there any chance I can place one above the front I/O pannel where the hole is in the picture? In worst case would a 2.5 hdd fit there? Thanks!
This is awesome.
I would like to put my upcoming HTPC/NAS/General-under-the-TV-awesomeness build in one of these. Its perfect!
I hope Lian Li become the OEM. I like their build quality.
Apologies for not reading all of the 100+ pages. But do we know when units may begin shipping? Obviously prototypes are still in the works, but are we talking a few months?
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I offer the counter-point of running a decent NAS (Synology or decent DIY) and moving all the static storage (like music, movies, photos, backups, documents) there. With Gbit being the norm, there is no really good reason for anything else than an SSD in your SFF computer.
The reason I want to get a SFF is because I need to travel back and forth between countries on a regular basis which doesn't make NAS a viable solution. So is there any hope with mounting a 3.5 hdd down there? Thanks
Well, you can't have everything - sadly TARDIS technology doesn't exist (yet). You'll have to make some sacrifices, and in this case, if you want to use all three slots plus an ATX PSU, it means there's not room enough left for a 3.5" HDD. What you do have, still, is one 2.5" drive mount on the inside front:Awesome case! If I want to use an ATX PSU and a sound card in the 3rd expansion slot where can I place a 3.5 hdd? If I use a 10.5 inch graphics card (gtx titan) is there any chance I can place one above the front I/O pannel where the hole is in the picture? In worst case would a 2.5 hdd fit there? Thanks!
Wow, thanks a lot for your reply Necere. Seriously, its amazing how you respond to everyone! I Like the 3rd option you suggested, ill have a look for a good bare PCB sound card.
I'm calling bull on that one. My i7 950 / GTX 580 setup pulled 375W from the wall under heavy load, and that was a far more power hungry system than more recent ones.
I have a SFX ST45SF PSU. I do not have a Titan, but I can tell you that with my 670 GTX, my computer would randomly restart with a third hard-drive plugged in the power. Currently, I have a ssd and two HDDs in my computer. Since my SSD is my boot drive, I wouldn't be unplugging that. But if I have both HDDs plugged in, my computer would crash. And it doesn't matter which one. I tested it. (I also used to have another SSD in there. Even that would crash it too. I just cannot have a third hard-drive plugged in. I have since moved that SSD to my old laptop and gave it new life.) So I used one of my big PSU an XFX 700W PSU to test it, lo and behold, they all work (including the other SSD) without crashing.
What I'm saying here is to keep your drives to a limit of 2.
I plan to make a haswell build with titan and this case so I have looked into this topic.
At 100% peak load every component, according to the various PSU wattage calculators, a stock 3770k, stock titan, 2 DIMMS, 2 "green" HDDs, 1 ODD, 1 SSD, 4 120mm fans, and 1 92mm fan will use 430watts, with 480 watts being recommended.
I can't verify that independently but that is what more than one PSU wattage calculator has come up with. But thats 100% peak on everything, which isn't going to be seen for day to day usage, so long as you aren't using software that maxes out all 4 cores and the video card.
I am planning on building the following
4770K
Titan
2 DIMMS
2 SSDs (or 1 SSD and 1 ODD)
4 120mm Noiseblocker eLoops fans
1 92mm Noiseblocker fan
I should be more than fine with that build on the the Silverstone ST45SF-G. If my calculations are correct I will be under just 400watts at 100% load, with the possibility of having room to spare to overclock. A 500watt SFX PSU would be an amazing thing but I doubt one is released this year, it would allow more spare room for overclocking, etc.
My current pc is going to be turned into a home server/media server so I won't be using HDDs in this system. I will also probably be using an external blu ray drive and using two SSDs(hopefully the lower cost 960GB drives from Crucial are released and are as fast as other SSDs).
Tony has said that this *may* interfere with the PSU at high capacities, but he might just be following protocol after a fashion.
I know there are users who have successfully swapped fans on their own and ran fine, but these are probably also being run in fairly good conditions (temperature wise). As manufacturers, we have to expect worst case scenario (hotter environments) when certifying on our own.
If you require the utmost extreme performance, why choose one of the smallest mITX cases that can harbor an entire PC ? I'm all for efficiency but I don't get the "I NEED a Titan and max overclocked i7-3770K plus bunch of 3.5" HDD's and a high-end soundcard, but it seems like a tight fit".
Well duh.
No, he didn't say that, although that's the second time someone's claimed that he did.
The worry isn't so much high capacities, it's low capacities, since the Noiseblocker fan runs one third the rpms at idle than the stock fan. In an hot environment, that may not be enough for tightly packed components to keep cool. At high speeds it almost matches the stock fan for pressure/airflow.
Basically all he's saying that they didn't choose a quieter profile on their stock fan because some of their customers live in hot places. Makes sense.
That's fine as long as you don't go complaining/disparaging a product because it fails to meet your expanded needs. The NCASE M1 was designed to match a specific set of requirements. Now that it's become more well-known, folks are showing up and asking for the case to be something it can't be, or wasn't designed to be.There are many legitimate reasons why one would want to pack the most performance in the smallest possible enclosure. I think some of the people who seek the most performance in an ITX case, would get a high end ATX system instead if practicality would allow it. For people like me, who need to travel on a somewhat regular basis, its not practical to have huge cases. Others might not have the space to accomodate such a build. As with many other areas of life people do excessive and pointless things for fun. For some its cars, for us its computers. For me its a fun pastime to ponder how much performance I can pack in the smallest possible enclosure.