Eye Strain

The 2413 is wide gamut, so just keep that in mind. It's contrast is also rather so-so, when in s-rgb mode.

I think you can get the Eizo 2336 from a US retailer somewhere. I seem to recall someone mentioning a couple US distributors here. But does it in fact have a lighter coating and is PLS? I think the 2333 is PLS, but don't recall if anyone verified the 2336 is too.
 
Namelessme said:
The 2413 is wide gamut, so just keep that in mind. It's contrast is also rather so-so, when in s-rgb mode.

I think you can get the Eizo 2336 from a US retailer somewhere. I seem to recall someone mentioning a couple US distributors here. But does it in fact have a lighter coating and is PLS? I think the 2333 is PLS, but don't recall if anyone verified the 2336 is too.
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Is wide gamut potentially bad on the eyes?
Edit: I see that wide gamut just means a potential for less contrast. Is my understanding correct here?

So do you feel the Eizo 2336 is a better choice? Can the possibility of it being PLS be an issue?

Edit: Now that you mention US distributors, I seem to have found one US distributor (if I'm looking at their contact info right) called pcconnection. Though they appear to be out of stock on the item at present (I've just emailed their support to ask about when it might be restocked). $365 doesn't seem like a bad price for it...
 
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darkenergy said:
Is wide gamut potentially bad on the eyes?
Edit: I see that wide gamut just means a potential for less contrast. Is my understanding correct here?

So do you feel the Eizo 2336 is a better choice? Can the possibility of it being PLS be an issue?

Edit: Now that you mention US distributors, I seem to have found one US distributor (if I'm looking at their contact info right) called pcconnection. Though they appear to be out of stock on the item at present (I've just emailed their support to ask about when it might be restocked). $365 doesn't seem like a bad price for it...
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Wide gamut is typically used by photographers and professionals who need that color range. Most software is made for s-rgb -- so if playing a game, etc. in wide gamut mode, you will get oversaturated colors. Some people oddly like this, but if you want anything remotely accurate as to colors, you want s-rgb.

The Dell 2413 does have s-rgb mode, but you are sacrificing contrast then. If you want s-rgb, perhaps the 2336 would be better. I am also not sure if the Dell advertises the fact that it is PWM free or not. I know the Eizo states this on their webpage (at greater than 19% brightness or so). The advantage with the 2413 is the fact it is 24" and 16:10, while the Eizo is 16:9 and 23.. the Dell will give you a lot more usable working space. But with the Eizo you should get better contrast and it's cheaper.

And PLS or not only matters in regard to screen coating. If PLS, it should be a light semiglossy coating. If IPS... it may be light... or may be a standard heavy AG coating. You'll need to check on that from a 2336 owner or somewhere else in this forum. I forget if has a light coating or not.

And $365 is a decent price for an Eizo -- cheapest I've seen that model go for, in fact. I checked macconnection just now (same company) and they have it listed for sale, but on order. I expect it can be purchased, but they need to get them directly from Eizo to fulfill the order.
 
dopple said:
no need for extensive research just take a shower and report back about your snow vision symptoms. ;)
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Showering does help a bit, but so does using a warm compress. Sometimes showering doesn't really help too much (if at all).
 
darkenergy said:
It's been a while since I've tried using a laptop again. I'm not sure.
This may be worth mentioning, but reading books kills my eyes too. Reading novels is just too much pain (e.g. "The Forever War" was the last one I read, and after that, it just wasn't worth it to invest time into reading when it'd just set my migraine and eye strain off).
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Keeping focussed on near-plane may be the problem. Your eyestrain may be focus-muscle related; (a possible nearsightedness symptom). Glasses might also help, even if your eyes aren't optically nearsighted, it will give you focus-muscle relief. What did your optometrist say?

Did you try borrowing a 50" LED HDTV (not plasma) and setting it back about 5 feet in front of you. It's like a big computer monitor, just move it further back (about 1.5:1 screen width viewing distance). But then again, you said that can also bother your eyes.

Have you considered a 1-month "screen vacation" to let your eyes recover? It's like letting your legs heal after breaking a leg, or letting an injury heal, etc. Basically, rebuilding whatever the eyes is probematic (e.g. muscle problem, vitamin problem, etc). This may be tough. Next time you have a 2-week-plus vacation from work, do not bring your laptop or devices with you, etc... Keeping doing what you are doing, may be prolonging things and not letting things heal, leading to potentially worse/permanent damage.
 
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SAME EXACT thing was happening to me 2 months ago. I went to the flight doc and they had the optometrist check me out. I developed a moderate astigmatism. In only a matter of 2 months I developed it so bad I couldn't look at the monitor for more than 30-40 minutes. Might want to go back and have your optometrist check it once more.
 
darkenergy said:
Showering does help a bit, but so does using a warm compress. Sometimes showering doesn't really help too much (if at all).
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well if it is 50:50 you can escalate the experiment after researching more if you like. lots of material on the net about all this stuff. good luck.
 
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Wide gamut is typically used by photographers and professionals who need that color range. Most software is made for s-rgb -- so if playing a game, etc. in wide gamut mode, you will get oversaturated colors. Some people oddly like this, but if you want anything remotely accurate as to colors, you want s-rgb.

The Dell 2413 does have s-rgb mode, but you are sacrificing contrast then. If you want s-rgb, perhaps the 2336 would be better. I am also not sure if the Dell advertises the fact that it is PWM free or not. I know the Eizo states this on their webpage (at greater than 19% brightness or so). The advantage with the 2413 is the fact it is 24" and 16:10, while the Eizo is 16:9 and 23.. the Dell will give you a lot more usable working space. But with the Eizo you should get better contrast and it's cheaper.

And PLS or not only matters in regard to screen coating. If PLS, it should be a light semiglossy coating. If IPS... it may be light... or may be a standard heavy AG coating. You'll need to check on that from a 2336 owner or somewhere else in this forum. I forget if has a light coating or not.

And $365 is a decent price for an Eizo -- cheapest I've seen that model go for, in fact. I checked macconnection just now (same company) and they have it listed for sale, but on order. I expect it can be purchased, but they need to get them directly from Eizo to fulfill the order.
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And... I just got a response back from pcconnection:

Once an order is placed for that item, it should ship within 2 – 3 weeks.
It’s not a product we typically have on hand but rather we submit an order to a vendor partner warehouse once a customer places an order with our company.
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Assuming it works just fine in the US (Power Supply on it is 100-240VAC, 50/60Hz), I'm thinking this monitor is definitely worth giving a shot. Checking wikipedia, I see that the US uses 120V to 240V, at 60 Hz; I'm not missing anything in figuring that it falls within range of this monitor's power supply requirements, am I?

Also, do UK appliances use a different plug-in interface than the US appliances? I'll need an adapter probably, right?

Of course, I don't think that this is necessarily going to cure me; but if it eases eye strain, it'll be a nice piece of the puzzle (kind of like how f.lux software extended how long I could stand to be behind my computer screen).

Additionally, I should discuss getting checked for astigmatism, glaucoma, etc with an ophthalmologist.

andrewsmc1 said:
SAME EXACT thing was happening to me 2 months ago. I went to the flight doc and they had the optometrist check me out. I developed a moderate astigmatism. In only a matter of 2 months I developed it so bad I couldn't look at the monitor for more than 30-40 minutes. Might want to go back and have your optometrist check it once more.
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What happened after the diagnosis? Were you prescribed a special type of contact lens? How did things turn out?
 
Since it's being sold by a US retailer, I think it's safe to assume the Eizo will work with US power supplies. If unsure, you can always ask them.

The bigger issue, to me, anyway, is the fact that I am not sure how easy returns are with that company. You may wish to doublecheck before placing an order. It won't be fun to get a lemon, and then have no way to return the monitor. PC/Mac connection has been around a while, so they aren't like some small reseller on eBay ... but they aren't the same as Amazon either.
 
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Since it's being sold by a US retailer, I think it's safe to assume the Eizo will work with US power supplies. If unsure, you can always ask them.

The bigger issue, to me, anyway, is the fact that I am not sure how easy returns are with that company. You may wish to doublecheck before placing an order. It won't be fun to get a lemon, and then have no way to return the monitor. PC/Mac connection has been around a while, so they aren't like some small reseller on eBay ... but they aren't the same as Amazon either.
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Return policy indicates 15% of the price as restocking fee. Also:

Final Sale of Certain Products

In addition to manufacturer restrictions, the following products are final sale items and are not returnable to PC Connection for refund or exchange for any reason:

Specific Products:
Custom configured products, Special ordered products, LCD/DLP projectors, Opened software, Hard drives, and TVs/Monitors over 27"

Specific Manufacturers:
Avaya, Cisco, Citrix, Compellent Technologies, Corel, EMC, EqualLogic, GFI, IBM Software, Hitachi Data Systems, IBM Storage, Lotus, Neoware, Oracle, Overland Storage, Quantum, RIM/Blackberry, Sony Storage, Tandberg Data, U-Vault, and VMware
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Sounds like, given that it has to be ordered from the manufacturer, it may be non-returnable. I've emailed them asking about that (as well as about the compatibility of the monitor with US power source).

Thanks for mentioning that; I hadn't looked as closely at the terms as I should have. That said, if it's not defective, I could just try to resell on ebay.

Then again, if it is defective, taking advantage of the warranty may be a bit difficult given that the manufacturer is a... UK company(?).
 
Nah, Eizo will cover the warranty in the US. They are actually a Japanese company, by the way. But you probably would have to pay for shipping to them one-way to use their warranty -- figure about $30 or so.

It could be worth the risk ... up to you. If you don't like it and want to resell on eBay, figure about $40 in eBay fees + whatever discount due to being open box, so you may lose a bit, but not like you are out the entire purchase.
 
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Nah, Eizo will cover the warranty in the US. They are actually a Japanese company, by the way. But you probably would have to pay for shipping to them one-way to use their warranty -- figure about $30 or so.

It could be worth the risk ... up to you. If you don't like it and want to resell on eBay, figure about $40 in eBay fees + whatever discount due to being open box, so you may lose a bit, but not like you are out the entire purchase.
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At only $365, it's really not that big of a risk to me. Especially when other PWM-free monitors are in the $600 - $800 range. If this one doesn't really solve the problem, then there's probably not a whole lot of reason to continue blaming the monitor, I guess.

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Got a script for glasses. Fixed. :cool:
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Is that single vision glasses? I also wear glasses as well for my near-nearsightedness. Maybe there's something special they can do for astigmatism specifically...

At any rate, I'll definitely consider seeing an ophthalmologist. Crazy that they couldn't find anything wrong with me when I've got symptoms like these.
 
darkenergy said:
Crazy that they couldn't find anything wrong with me when I've got symptoms like these.
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You seem to have neurological symptoms rather than just eye strain. Please read this link to see if it describes you in any way:
http://www.neurosymptoms.org/#/visual-symptoms/4539525685

If it does, you might want to navigate through the site for whatever else interests you:
http://www.neurosymptoms.org/#

But I am strongly against medicating neurological symptoms if they turn out to be such symptoms. I had bad experiences with psychotropics in the past.
 
dovez said:
You seem to have neurological symptoms rather than just eye strain. Please read this link to see if it describes you in any way:
http://www.neurosymptoms.org/#/visual-symptoms/4539525685

If it does, you might want to navigate through the site for whatever else interests you:
http://www.neurosymptoms.org/#

But I am strongly against medicating neurological symptoms if they turn out to be such symptoms. I had bad experiences with psychotropics in the past.
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Thanks for the link. Yeah, I agree with you about medication. The effects on the body can be unpredictable and rough. I take the lowest dose of Propranolol (Inderal is the brand name) which is 10 mg (twice a day). Taking more than that results in my blood pressure getting a bit wacky (my diastolic went down to like 44 while my systolic was still up at 107 back when I tried to go up to 15 mg in a dose. Quickly eating some chips (salty stuff) and panicking a bit pushed my diastolic back up to 57 within about 10 minutes, but it was pretty unnerving, as well as uncomfortable to say the least). Propranolol is considered to be very easy going as far as side effects and such go; I get pretty nervous when it comes to trying other medication now.

Thanks for the link; it's definitely another interesting source of info. Been a while since I last saw a flash website, lol.

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Got a response to my earlier questions about the Eizo 2336 monitor from pcconnection regarding their return policy and whether the monitor will work in the US.

This will work in the US with a VA of 100-240.
The monitor is not a final sale item and is returnable.
If the product arrives defective you have 7 days to contact us for a return.
If the product is not defective but not what you want 15 days from receipt to contact us for a return. After 15 days no returns will be issued and you would contact the manuf.
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I placed an order for it. Again, this is just one thing to try; I suspect I'll probably need to continue looking for the real source of the problem (and a solution to it). Shipping will take weeks, so it'll be a while before I have any info on whether or not the monitor helps me.

*Note to anyone looking at this thread later on: policies on items tend to change over time, so always contact their customer support about this stuff before assuming things are still the same as when I posted this.
 
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Redacted -_- Missed a segment of the OP. I hope you find a solution soon!
 
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darkenergy said:
Propranolol is considered to be very easy going as far as side effects and such go; I get pretty nervous when it comes to trying other medication now.
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after a marijuana and caffeine mix reaction sending my pulse into outerspace i was prescribed inderal for a week. after taking it for 2 days i was more screwed!!! LOL inderal sucks. threw it in the bin. no more marijuana caffeine or inderal since.
 
dopple said:
after a marijuana and caffeine mix reaction sending my pulse into outerspace i was prescribed inderal for a week. after taking it for 2 days i was more screwed!!! LOL inderal sucks. threw it in the bin. no more marijuana caffeine or inderal since.
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Geez, that had to be hell on earth. MJ can make your heart race, and of course caffeine is a stimulant. It's a bit surprising that a med (Inderal) that is meant to lower blood pressure would have have the reverse effect (assuming that by "more screwed", you mean your racing heart remained as such or worsened).

Meds suck because "everyone reacts differently" to them. If only we could just re-engineer the brain to not screw up so easily and behave as desired (as well as re-engineer some of the other delicate parts, e.g. the eyes). Would be nice to not have to throw chemicals at it hoping for something at least relatively close to the desired effect to happen.
 
evilsofa said:
I'm with Namelessme; if reading a book hurts your eyes too, anything a monitor might be doing isn't the problem.

If the two eye doctors you saw were optometrists, you should see an opthamologist and ask for an OCT (Ocular Coherence Tomography) scan. If one or more them were opthamologists that checked you several ways for glaucoma, you may want to try consulting a rheumatologist next and ask them about HLA-B27.

I am not any sort of medical doctor or have any sort of medical experience beyond googling and searching wikipedia for weird things like Ankylosing Spondylitis that may have nothing whatsoever to do with what ails you.
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Please stop giving bad advice. an OCT of the optic nerve can test for glaucoma and an OCT of the macula could test for things like central serous retinopathy, macular edema or an epiretinal membrane. His complaints don't suggest anything like that. HLA-B27 associated diseases and other autoimmune diseases would manifest as Iritis which would make one very light sensitive, but there is no chance any eye doctor overlooked that (not even at Walmart).

My recommendations would be to use artificial tears when they feel irritated and crank up the refresh rate as much as you can. You may have a more sensitive critical flicker frequency than most.
 
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Geez, that had to be hell on earth. MJ can make your heart race, and of course caffeine is a stimulant. It's a bit surprising that a med (Inderal) that is meant to lower blood pressure would have have the reverse effect (assuming that by "more screwed", you mean your racing heart remained as such or worsened).

Meds suck because "everyone reacts differently" to them. If only we could just re-engineer the brain to not screw up so easily and behave as desired (as well as re-engineer some of the other delicate parts, e.g. the eyes). Would be nice to not have to throw chemicals at it hoping for something at least relatively close to the desired effect to happen.
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pulse was basically slowing down to something really low where i could feel it would be dangerous..made me anxious... and then revving right back up out of control. so up down.. so on.. took a few months to really get back to normal just with 2 days on inderal. losing control this way sucks. on top for this anxiety xanax was prescribed.. oh boy.... like middle finger ... rod in the docs ass seriously LOL.. anyway you get the idea... threw it all in a garbage bin..

in short find the cause and fix it instead of using the band aid approach..
 
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Please stop giving bad advice. an OCT of the optic nerve can test for glaucoma and an OCT of the macula could test for things like central serous retinopathy, macular edema or an epiretinal membrane. His complaints don't suggest anything like that. HLA-B27 associated diseases and other autoimmune diseases would manifest as Iritis which would make one very light sensitive, but there is no chance any eye doctor overlooked that (not even at Walmart).

My recommendations would be to use artificial tears when they feel irritated and crank up the refresh rate as much as you can. You may have a more sensitive critical flicker frequency than most.
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Excuse my ignorance but how do you raise the refresh rate on an lcd? I was under the impression there was no such thing as refresh rate, and I am embarrassed to say this...:confused:
 
sfor said:
Excuse my ignorance but how do you raise the refresh rate on an lcd? I was under the impression there was no such thing as refresh rate, and I am embarrassed to say this...:confused:
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Some 60Hz LCDs (not all, and probably not yours) can be run as high as 72 or 75 Hz. I'm not sure how to do it on AMD video cards but on Nvidia cards you do it by setting up custom resolutions.
 
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Some 60Hz LCDs (not all, and probably not yours) can be run as high as 72 or 75 Hz. I'm not sure how to do it on AMD video cards but on Nvidia cards you do it by setting up custom resolutions.
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thanks!
 
evilsofa said:
Some 60Hz LCDs (not all, and probably not yours) can be run as high as 72 or 75 Hz. I'm not sure how to do it on AMD video cards but on Nvidia cards you do it by setting up custom resolutions.
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Changing refresh-rate on a non-flicker display (no PWM, no strobing, no impulse-driving) does not help flicker -- it's still non-flicker. Typically, changing Hz on a non-PWM CD configured to 100% brightness, does nothing to affect eyestrain for desktop applications. It only helps eyestrain for CRT displays (or other impulse-driven displays, such as plasma).

If your eyestrain is caused by motion blur, or flicker (CRT), that's another thing altogether. But that's does not appear to be the case for the OP.
 
Update

Eizo EV2336 just arrived today. I just finished setting it up, and I'm using it at the moment. I have it set to a brightness of 20%. I turned off all the Auto Eco settings. Not sure if there's any other settings I should put into place; maybe it's enough that I'm running f.lux constantly on 3500k (nearly at the full halogen end of the scale). For those interested from the US, I ordered it on March 4, and now it has arrived today, April 4. I got it from PC Connection, who had to special order it from Eizo. It's far too soon to say yet how my eyes take to it as they're always strained and sensitive to all light, but maybe I'll have a good idea after a few days to a week of usage.

I also took the plunge and decided to try out Irlen lenses. They help a little for me, but nothing significant. I'm not too surprised about that. I'm wearing them all the time though; any benefit I can get (no matter how small) is worth taking.

Tried magnesium citrate, but that stuff is pretty potent. I'll have to try a much smaller dosage when I try it again. It had me feeling like the first time I took propranolol: buzzed in a somewhat unpleasantly tranquilized way. Hard to explain it. Then I seemed to have somewhat frequent palpitations and felt a bit messed up for a few days. The amount I had was like two normal spoonfuls in a glass of water (the daily serving amount I think). I've read that it's good to balance it with calcium; maybe that's the problem here.

Question

Will the Auto EcoView settings impact the usage of PWM on the monitor? So if I have the brightness at 20% and then turn on EcoView which in turn dims the screen even more, will PWM be employed?
 
we re alike in quite a few ways, i too have eye strain and photo sensitivity issues, got the eizo a couple of weeks ago and i am using flux too, although unlike my former va eizo i find this one too dim to keep at 20 brightness. you might want to try lutein and zeanxathin as a supplement too.
 
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Tried magnesium citrate, but that stuff is pretty potent. I'll have to try a much smaller dosage when I try it again. It had me feeling like the first time I took propranolol: buzzed in a somewhat unpleasantly tranquilized way. Hard to explain it. Then I seemed to have somewhat frequent palpitations and felt a bit messed up for a few days. The amount I had was like two normal spoonfuls in a glass of water (the daily serving amount I think). I've read that it's good to balance it with calcium; maybe that's the problem here.
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The problem here is that you severely overdosed yourself with a laxative. Stop using normal spoons for measuring medicine dosages, show your doctor the bottle you used, and ask them for proper directions for using it before you try it again.
 
Wow can't belive I found this thread. Darkenergy my situation sounds very very similiar to yours.
Here's my story.
27, healthy, male, acute anxiety (occasionally when somthings are out of my control, otherwise fine)
Visual Snow sufferer for about 4 years now. Eye's normal otherwise

Last December is when it hit, I work a help desk for a large corp in a cubicle farm with super oppresive flourescent lighting. One day fluroescent light above my cube starts dieing, it flickers but it wasn't to bad except about 2 or 3 times a day it would strobe at a very rapid rate for a few seconds and just mess my head up bad but when the strobing went away I was back to normal. Finally had to disable it after a few days of this.

Ever since then, I've noticed I couldn't take staring at my work monitor for more than 30min without both my eye's Iris' feeling like they are extremely tight causing alot of pain after a while. Looking away from the screen and everything relaxes back to normal. This gets progressivley worse to the point where I can't look at any screen be it Monitor,My LCD TV, even my Galaxy 3 although this happened alot later.

Went to the optometrist, got glasses I do have astigmatism, didnt help and the eye strain/tightness still happen when I looked at screens. Tried 2 pairs of glasses, one antifatigue the other progressives to magnify the near but still screens are the issue...
Gunnars offer some relief but its minor and not enough at all.

Im now very very sensitve to fluroescent lighting, goto the store with a sea of them and my head tightens up, body feels really weird, eye's get the tightness although not as much. I figure if I got migraines I'd be dead by now but I've actually never had a migraine.

Saw an ophthomolgist last week, no issues with my eye's even said im 20/20 and dont need any glasses. Dude was kind of a dick and disregarded my symptoms with the screen and tightness and diagnosed me with dry eye after the exam and gave me FML Forte antiflammitory eye drops which do offer a bit of relief, in the end I know my eyes are getting dry and I know why but thats a symptom not a cause. Its either the Fluroescent lighting cause I noticed a huuuuuuuge relief the other day when the FL tubes behind my cube were also shut off so its their subliminal flicker from the lights or the screens functionality or a combination. Thats actually why I came into the fourm. Im looking around for a 120hz led monitor to see if it would help and wanted ideas, never thought I'd find a thread so specific to my condition.

I have a pair of FL-41 tinted glasses from http://www.axonoptics.com/ on the way hopefully they will offer some relief cause my life has been hell these past months...I also just want to get back to my gaming, I've gamed all my life and practically can't at this point anymore.

Also I don't know if you've read this guys article. But he pretty much sums it up when it comes to screens.
http://www.conradbiologic.com/articles/SubliminalFlickerI.html

I'd love to chat with you man cause you seem to have the money to test out some theory's while I really don't.
 
same here, astigmatism and the doc gave me prescription glasses that didn't help, they actually made things worse, and eye drops, which as you said, dry eyes, is the symptom not the cause... I am going to be seeing another soon. I was thinking of going with the gunnars but I 've not bought a pair yet. I too have an anxious predisposition.
 
evilsofa said:
The problem here is that you severely overdosed yourself with a laxative. Stop using normal spoons for measuring medicine dosages, show your doctor the bottle you used, and ask them for proper directions for using it before you try it again.
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Holy cow, I suspected I may have overdone it a bit (at least for my particular needs), but I didn't realize I had really overdosed on it. I'll have to give the stuff a more sensible try later on, using a really small dose and properly measured.

VOodoo288 said:
Wow can't belive I found this thread. Darkenergy my situation sounds very very similiar to yours.
Here's my story.
27, healthy, male, acute anxiety (occasionally when somthings are out of my control, otherwise fine)
Visual Snow sufferer for about 4 years now. Eye's normal otherwise

Last December is when it hit, I work a help desk for a large corp in a cubicle farm with super oppresive flourescent lighting. One day fluroescent light above my cube starts dieing, it flickers but it wasn't to bad except about 2 or 3 times a day it would strobe at a very rapid rate for a few seconds and just mess my head up bad but when the strobing went away I was back to normal. Finally had to disable it after a few days of this.

Ever since then, I've noticed I couldn't take staring at my work monitor for more than 30min without both my eye's Iris' feeling like they are extremely tight causing alot of pain after a while. Looking away from the screen and everything relaxes back to normal. This gets progressivley worse to the point where I can't look at any screen be it Monitor,My LCD TV, even my Galaxy 3 although this happened alot later.

Went to the optometrist, got glasses I do have astigmatism, didnt help and the eye strain/tightness still happen when I looked at screens. Tried 2 pairs of glasses, one antifatigue the other progressives to magnify the near but still screens are the issue...
Gunnars offer some relief but its minor and not enough at all.

Im now very very sensitve to fluroescent lighting, goto the store with a sea of them and my head tightens up, body feels really weird, eye's get the tightness although not as much. I figure if I got migraines I'd be dead by now but I've actually never had a migraine.

Saw an ophthomolgist last week, no issues with my eye's even said im 20/20 and dont need any glasses. Dude was kind of a dick and disregarded my symptoms with the screen and tightness and diagnosed me with dry eye after the exam and gave me FML Forte antiflammitory eye drops which do offer a bit of relief, in the end I know my eyes are getting dry and I know why but thats a symptom not a cause. Its either the Fluroescent lighting cause I noticed a huuuuuuuge relief the other day when the FL tubes behind my cube were also shut off so its their subliminal flicker from the lights or the screens functionality or a combination. Thats actually why I came into the fourm. Im looking around for a 120hz led monitor to see if it would help and wanted ideas, never thought I'd find a thread so specific to my condition.

I have a pair of FL-41 tinted glasses from http://www.axonoptics.com/ on the way hopefully they will offer some relief cause my life has been hell these past months...I also just want to get back to my gaming, I've gamed all my life and practically can't at this point anymore.

Also I don't know if you've read this guys article. But he pretty much sums it up when it comes to screens.
http://www.conradbiologic.com/articles/SubliminalFlickerI.html
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sfor said:
same here, astigmatism and the doc gave me prescription glasses that didn't help, they actually made things worse, and eye drops, which as you said, dry eyes, is the symptom not the cause... I am going to be seeing another soon. I was thinking of going with the gunnars but I 've not bought a pair yet. I too have an anxious predisposition.
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I tried Gunnars, but the magnification was a bit much for me, making the strain worse. But, most other people who've used them say they get some benefitt from them. Any help you can get may be worth it so my negative response might not mean it's a wasted effort to try them.

The FL 41 tint sounds interesting, I'd be very interested to hear how that works for you when the shipment arrives. I'd be curious to give them a try too. Particularly with the Wiley frames (only light filtered through the lenses get to your eyes), though the advantage there depends on the tint doing what it's supposed to do in the first place. Very nice that they appear to have a money-back policy in case it doesn't help; I'm thinking of giving it a try myself.

I'd love to chat with you man cause you seem to have the money to test out some theory's while I really don't.
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I'm not rich, but I can definitely spare money for stuff that may have a chance of improving my condition. I'm willing to try anything within reason to get my life back. Seriously, if we had the technology, and it'd fix me... I'd totally replace my human eyes with cybernetic ones if they functioned just as well, minus the eye strain and headaches (and assuming it had more of a consumer level price-tag). I'd definitely need to be knocked out for the procedure though! That said, it may be a few paychecks from now before I invest in anything super pricey again. Being ill in any form isn't cheap :(.
 
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...Tried magnesium citrate, ...
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LOL who gave you the idea to try that? That stuff is used to clean people out before colonoscopy and similar procedures. I doubt you overdosed as someone suggested. Usually people drink an entire bottle at a time. I had 2 buddies that were brothers that both chugged a bottle to find out who could last the longest before sprinting to the bathroom. They both lost
 
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LOL who gave you the idea to try that? That stuff is used to clean people out before colonoscopy and similar procedures. I doubt you overdosed as someone suggested. Usually people drink an entire bottle at a time. I had 2 buddies that were brothers that both chugged a bottle to find out who could last the longest before sprinting to the bathroom. They both lost
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I'm not quite sure where he got the idea that mag citrate would help his eyes.

Some people are extra sensitive to magnesium, in several forms, and it commonly causes a laxative effect, as mentioned. Start dose low, around 100mg/daily, if you want, and digestion-wise you probably will be okay. But you probably don't need more than 100-200mg daily if you eat a decent diet.

For eyeball stuff, Omega 3s may help a little. Grapeseed extract + Blueberries may help a little bit. Lutein... possibly... but I don't think any of them would have a major impact.
 
Hi, I've got your same issue, and I'm investigating the possibility of using an e-ink ebook reader as pc monitor... the Onyx BOOX M92 seems like a good choice, or the Icarus Reader also.

What do you think?
 
I for the record can't use big screen TVs it's either the brightness bigger pixels the dimming and brightness of the pixels or the backlight even if it's led on a TV monitor or something else my arms and face starts tor burn........

But I can use PC monitors with no much problems since led technology has been around since 2010-2011 for backlights.

You don't know how bad it sucked to have a CRT monitor you bought off somewhere and you were stuck with it even though it fried your eyes cause of the quality of the construction. I tried a Trinitron then and it was gold for 10+ years...Still have a CRT in the closet that I'll keep forever cause nobody sells them except some recycling centers on ebay.
 
Darkenergy,

Did you ever consider that anxiety was the cause of your pain? I went through 5 1/2 years so far of eyestrain that started immediately one day when I began a new job. I had been working on computers for many years before I began the job, and I've had eyestrain ever since then. I've done everything (5-6 pairs of glasses, 11 months of vision therapy, other eye exercises, eye drops, heat packs, new monitors, lighting changes, etc.) and nothing has gotten rid of it. After struggling with this for so long I found out about anxiety and TMS (tension myositis syndrome) which is pretty much another name for anxiety that can cause pain through psychological means. If I were you I would research this and get a subscription to anxietycentre.com and well as checking out tmshelp.com.

It's so easy to brush it off and say "oh its because you're on the computer too much, or it's your monitor, or it's this or that in the physical realm of things", but like you as time went on things got worse, not better. I went from only having eyestrain at the computer to having it while reading, then while watching tv, then by doing anything with close work. So I also have the eyestrain when I'm not doing any computer work (I've been on vacation for days at a time without looking at screens for more than 20 minutes each day and had the same eyestrain).
 
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