Senator To Gamers: Shut Up, You Have No Credibility

arentol said:
Are you referring to the NRA comments in those areas? If so, then you are mistaken.

The NRA receives almost precisely 1% of its annual funding from gun manufacturers. In other words, if all gun makers stopped donating at all the NRA would barely even notice.

The gun industry has a relatively weak lobby, the NRA has relatively little power, spending only about 750k on lobbying each year. It only appears to have a lot of power because up until a month ago the anti-gun lobby was almost non-existent (30k a year) and had no power at all (other than the hidden power of all the anti-gun politicians that were biding their time, some literally praying for multiple gun related mass murders to happen in a short period so they could push their agenda.)
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That's a despicable thing to say. No politician prays for a mass murder so he or she can advance his political agenda.
 
XacTactX said:
That's a despicable thing to say. No politician prays for a mass murder so he or she can advance his political agenda.
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Exactly. They don't pray for it to happen...they make it happen. But only in "other countries".
 
XacTactX said:
That's a despicable thing to say. No politician prays for a mass murder so he or she can advance his political agenda.
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That's because the kind of politicians with those kinds of agendas don't pray at all. There are, however, politicians with legislation already written, waiting for this kind of thing to happen. Feinstein is one of them, and let's not forget this gem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeA_kHHLow

"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste, and what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before".

Politicians are the scum of the earth. Don't ever think they won't sell you down the river for power. It's the story of human history.


Now as for Senator Yee... let me fix this for you, senator:

"Politicians have got to just quiet down. You have no credibility when it comes to politics . It's all about your lust for power and the government's lust for money. This is a trillion-dollar industry. It's all about your self-interest."

This may come as a shock to you, but most people don't want you telling them how to live their lives. Most people don't need you telling them how to live their lives. Instead of worrying about people playing video games, why don't you do worry about something important, like the fact that your state is freaking BANKRUPT?
 
Phoenix333 said:
That's because the kind of politicians with those kinds of agendas don't pray at all. There are, however, politicians with legislation already written, waiting for this kind of thing to happen. Feinstein is one of them, and let's not forget this gem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeA_kHHLow

"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste, and what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before".

Politicians are the scum of the earth. Don't ever think they won't sell you down the river for power. It's the story of human history.


Now as for Senator Yee... let me fix this for you, senator:

"Politicians have got to just quiet down. You have no credibility when it comes to politics . It's all about your lust for power and the government's lust for money. This is a trillion-dollar industry. It's all about your self-interest."

This may come as a shock to you, but most people don't want you telling them how to live their lives. Most people don't need you telling them how to live their lives. Instead of worrying about people playing video games, why don't you do worry about something important, like the fact that your state is freaking BANKRUPT?
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+1, (insert clapping gif here)
 
Phoenix333 said:
That's because the kind of politicians with those kinds of agendas don't pray at all. There are, however, politicians with legislation already written, waiting for this kind of thing to happen. Feinstein is one of them, and let's not forget this gem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeA_kHHLow

"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste, and what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before".

Politicians are the scum of the earth. Don't ever think they won't sell you down the river for power. It's the story of human history.
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And we just re-elected the politician who originally chose that worm as his Chief of Staff. We deserve all the misery we're in for.

Not that the alternative was any better. Which pretty much confirms your thesis.
 
Phoenix333 said:
That's because the kind of politicians with those kinds of agendas don't pray at all. There are, however, politicians with legislation already written, waiting for this kind of thing to happen. Feinstein is one of them, and let's not forget this gem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeA_kHHLow

"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste, and what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before".

Politicians are the scum of the earth. Don't ever think they won't sell you down the river for power. It's the story of human history.


Now as for Senator Yee... let me fix this for you, senator:

"Politicians have got to just quiet down. You have no credibility when it comes to politics . It's all about your lust for power and the government's lust for money. This is a trillion-dollar industry. It's all about your self-interest."

This may come as a shock to you, but most people don't want you telling them how to live their lives. Most people don't need you telling them how to live their lives. Instead of worrying about people playing video games, why don't you do worry about something important, like the fact that your state is freaking BANKRUPT?
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Feinstein is saying that when there are tragedies or crises that's when people come together, it's also when people reflect on the mistakes we have made as a society and talk about solutions. Tragedies are a good time to turn public support into legislation.

She's not saying that it would be good for tragedies to happen because it would help her political agenda. These are two different ideas.
 
XacTactX said:
Feinstein is saying that when there are tragedies or crises that's when people come together, it's also when people reflect on the mistakes we have made as a society and talk about solutions. Tragedies are a good time to turn public support into legislation.

She's not saying that it would be good for tragedies to happen because it would help her political agenda. These are two different ideas.
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And your explanation of the former White House Chief of Staff's remark about using crises for political gain would be...?
 
XacTactX said:
Feinstein is saying that when there are tragedies or crises that's when people come together, it's also when people reflect on the mistakes we have made as a society and talk about solutions. Tragedies are a good time to turn public support into legislation.

She's not saying that it would be good for tragedies to happen because it would help her political agenda. These are two different ideas.
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Haha! Well played :cool:
 
XacTactX said:
Feinstein is saying that when there are tragedies or crises that's when people come together, it's also when people reflect on the mistakes we have made as a society and talk about solutions. Tragedies are a good time to turn public support into legislation.

She's not saying that it would be good for tragedies to happen because it would help her political agenda. These are two different ideas.
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Actually, that was not Feinstein that said that. I posted the link to who did. Feinstein is one politician that's been pushing to ban weapons pretty much forever. This shooting is just an excuse to push that agenda. Nevermind the fact that the ATF's gun running operation still has not been resolved and that both Holder and Obama have stonewalled any investigation into it. I suppose the deaths of at least 400 Mexican nationals and one US Border Patrol agent aren't "tragic" enough? If the object is to save lives, then where is their outcry on that? Where is the outcry on all the gang-related shootings in Chicago, which is currently run by the individual whose words I posted the link to? Why the silence on their part for those tragedies? Why no outcry against the drug cartels and gang thugs who were doing the killing south of the border and in Chicago? I have a problem with this.

Tragedies are actually the worst time to turn public support into legislation. Emotions should not be the driving force behind the creation of new laws and restrictions, just as they should not be the impetus for going to war. Once laws are passed it's very difficult to remove them, and making hasty decisions while fueled by either grief or anger can lead to irreparable long-term damage. That's how we ended up with the Patriot Act and warrantless wiretaps, and the creation of the DHS. That same DHS has just procured 7,000 fully-automatic M-16 assault rifles... except that they refer to them as "select-fire rifles", which, while technically accurate, doesn't carry the scary media stigma, and they've procured them for "personal defense"... all the while politicians, celebrities, and media types are saying nobody needs them for personal defense. So... it's OK for politicians and media and celebrities to have armed security and for the government's workers to have machineguns for "personal defense", but citizens are supposed to do what, exactly, when their lives are threatened? Use harsh language? A rolled-up newspaper? A pair of scissors and hiding and cowering in fear, as the DHS suggests? Prior to acquiring these weapons, the DHS procured over 400 million .40 caliber hollow-point pistol rounds, and 1.2 million 5.56x45mm rifle rounds - the same caliber rifle round used by said M-16 rifle. The DHS is not an army... what do they need military weapons for? Mind you, these are actual military weapons, not civilian-legal semi-automatic rifles that resemble military weapons. 400 million .40 caliber hollow-point bullets? That's not target ammo. Hollow point ammunition is designed to inflict the most trauma as quickly as possible, while not penetrating past the target, which is why it's used for personal defense and by police. It's a lot more expensive, so you don't buy that for qualifying or practice shooting. That's more than enough ammo to kill every single man, woman, and child in the United States. Who are they planning to go to war with? DHS was created as a result of emotion following 9/11. Still think passing laws after tragedies is a good idea?

High emotion is the perfect opportunity for the tyrannical to strip away the rights of those they wish to control. This is why I vehemently disagree with you and insist that certain politicians look for tragedies as justification to push through agendas. Senator Yee is a clear and obvious example of this. He's pushing to ban video games, he's pushed before to ban video games, and he's using Sandy Hook as his justification for it. Just as there are hundreds of thousands of law-abiding owners of semi-automatic rifles that would never think to turn one on another human being for any purpose other than defense of self and family, there are millions of gamers that have absolutely no plans to go massacre people. Yet... we see both groups in the crosshairs of politicians that have a history of pushing these specific issues, and they're doing it right after this. This is a blatant attempt to capitalize on tragedy, and the only people who are harmed by this kind of thing are the people who have done absolutely nothing wrong and have no intention of doing something wrong. The people who are going to murder will still murder. Feel-good legislation has never solved this and will never will.

Maybe you simply can't think people can be that bad? I don't know, as I don't know your upbringing. If it's a case of rose-tinted optimism, I'm afraid reality doesn't work that way. I can understand wanting for people to not be like that, I truly do, but human history tells a different story. If it's not a case of optimistic naivety... then I do not understand why you're making excuses for and rationalizing away the behavior of these people unless you're one of them. I truly hope this is not the case.
 
Phoenix333 said:
This may come as a shock to you, but most people don't want you telling them how to live their lives. Most people don't need you telling them how to live their lives. Instead of worrying about people playing video games, why don't you do worry about something important, like the fact that your state is freaking BANKRUPT?
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First off, Yee is an asshat and I'm glad he got arrested. Second, yes California has some crazy liberal politicians. But I need to dispel this whole bankruptcy myth:

CA is currently running a $1.7B budget surplus.
GDP growth of 3.5% in 2012, tied for 5th in the US.
8th largest economy in the world.
Largest drop in UE last year of any state. (1.17M since end of recession)
 
Its a little over a year old...

Also, Yee was just arrested on Bribery charges..so it's kind of funny him stating gamers don't have credibility, but yet he is being arrested on corruption...
 
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Twisted Aegis, how much of California's 1.7B dollar surplus is due to Green Energy Stimulus money paid to bankrupt California companies?

Amonix 21.6 Million
Babcock & Brown 149 Million
Solar Trust of America 2.1 Billion
Solyndra 535 Million

So lets add that little boost up, carry the 8 .... Over 2.76 Billion invested by the US Federal Government into California based energy companies that went bankrupt. I just don't see the plus side of California's budget surplus.

Add to this three cities including San Bernadino that declared bankruptcy as well.
 
lcpiper said:
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Twisted Aegis, how much of California's 1.7B dollar surplus is due to Green Energy Stimulus money paid to bankrupt California companies?

Amonix 21.6 Million
Babcock & Brown 149 Million
Solar Trust of America 2.1 Billion
Solyndra 535 Million

So lets add that little boost up, carry the 8 .... Over 2.76 Billion invested by the US Federal Government into California based energy companies that went bankrupt. I just don't see the plus side of California's budget surplus.

Add to this three cities including San Bernadino that declared bankruptcy as well.
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Considering Californian's pay $32B more in federal taxes, annually, than the federal government spends back in the state, I'd say, $0.
 
How the hell is he in office in San Francisco? There's dozens of game development studios there. Bipartisan system fail.
 
Lol, first post is mine and I almost trolled myself reading it :D
 
Ironic. Wanted to restrict legal firearms but was okay dealing with illegal firearms and shoulder fired anti tank weapons.
 
TwistedAegis said:
Considering Californian's pay $32B more in federal taxes, annually, than the federal government spends back in the state, I'd say, $0.
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I am sorry, did you just say that with a straight face? I guess you forgot about this and aren't woried about these.

The state as a whole has a large economy, that part is most certainly true. But you are leaving a lot of things out. Economy and GDP only goes so far. GDP is gross, not net. California also has to borrow large sums of money for the many disasters that occur. They also borrow money for power and for water. And you also conveniently left out that while it has this supposed large economy, it also has the fifth highest unemployment rate.

Also here is an interesting article on Forbes comparing California to Texas. Simply put, California is not doing as great as they claim, and many of their policies are hurting them.
 
Considering Californian's pay $32B more in federal taxes, annually, than the federal government spends back in the state, I'd say, $0.
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Considering Federal Taxes are not about providing services to individual states you line of reasoning is false.
 
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