Want a new 60" tv for gaming, budget ~$1000

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I am looking for a new 60" TV, preferably from amazon. I will be playing games and watching movies on it so I am leaning towards an LED. I am willing to spend around $1000 give or take a few hundred for quality.


I am looking at something like this: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN60ES6003-60-Inch-1080p-120Hz/dp/B009VRTEE6/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

Or


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004OBZM8G/ref=ox_sc_act_image_6?ie=UTF8&smid=A33ZFW15ZO0RKP

Any opinions on this? Which will give me the best picture quality and longevity?
 
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Im going to suggest plasma. With responsible use its going to better than LCD.
 
At your requirement of 60 inches for around a thousand , you are going to be giving up things like great picture quality. Most LED's will last for 10's of thousands of hours of use so don't even worry about the longevity.

As it was already mentioned , plasma will give you the best mix but it will require you to be more aware of what you do with it when you are done.

1) It takes around 150-200 hours of "burn-in" before a plasma is safely hardened against permanent image retention problems. That means you'll have be mindful about leaving static images on it for long periods of time during that time period.

2) Plasma's have come a long way in terms of burn in but they are still somewhat sensitive.


SO if you are a lazy user don't bother with plasma. If you don't mind a tad awareness towards the technology , even cheap plasma's will blow away a regular LCD-LED in nearly all arenas.

I recommend this plasma : http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-VIE...1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1357356061&sr=1-1

If it MUST be 60 inches then : http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-PN60E...?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1357356061&sr=1-19

Samsung makes good plasma's but Panasonic makes the best and does has better contrast.
 
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55" is really the sweet spot for 1080p for normal size living rooms at typical viewing distances. But if its for gaming only and not movies, then I guess wouldn't matter much. Plasma's are beautiful, but I couldn't get past the buzzing noise that they all seem to have. And a properly calibrated LCD/LED will come close to plasma quality. But, out of the box, without calibration... LCD's are pretty ugly.

http://www.avsforum.com/

Good forum to get the scoop on displays and sometimes you find calibration profiles too.
 
55" is really the sweet spot for 1080p for normal size living rooms at typical viewing distances. But if its for gaming only and not movies, then I guess wouldn't matter much. Plasma's are beautiful, but I couldn't get past the buzzing noise that they all seem to have. And a properly calibrated LCD/LED will come close to plasma quality. But, out of the box, without calibration... LCD's are pretty ugly.

http://www.avsforum.com/

Good forum to get the scoop on displays and sometimes you find calibration profiles too.

I don't have any buzzing from my 55 inch Panasonic. Not sure if lots of others do but buzzing has never been an issue with my panel.

I generally agree though with what you said but even a $1,000 Plasma from a good brand will require you to lower your screen size to compare it to an LCD-LED in order for it to achieve a similar price/performance ratio.

Plus not everyone is into proper calibration. And these days Samsung and Panasonic have pretty well done "Movie" modes that hold up quite well even against proper manual calibration.
 
If you have a Fry's Electronics store nearby by all means hurry and go with this 55' Panasonic Led HDTV.. It's not 60', I get that, but I believe there is no better HDTV for under $1000.

I generally agree though with what you said but even a $1,000 Plasma from a good brand will require you to lower your screen size to compare it to an LCD-LED in order for it to achieve a similar price/performance ratio.

I would generally reccomend a plasma if one would want to get the best PQ for their money as well, however since this display will used for gaming one must keep in mind that Plasma displays to this day are still prone to "burn in" with static images in games so in this case going with an LED lcd display is the better option.
 
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Im going to suggest plasma. With responsible use its going to better than LCD.
At $1000, plasma will generally be better for gaming, and a simpler choice at this budget level.

That said, several attributes of LCD's have finally caught up and surpassed plasma, but the catch is you can't get all of the attributes all at once in the same monitor (price, color, motion blur, contrast, input lag, etc). For example, LightBoost LCD monitors have much less motion blur than plasma, but are limited to 24"-27" monitor sizes at the moment. You don't have these gaming-friendly strobe backlights available in full-size HDTV's. (You do get scanning backlights in existing high end HDTV's, but they add input lag, and thus aren't gaming friendly, AND you have to pay way more than $1000) On the other hand, LightBoost monitors are TN panels, which normally don't have as good color as IPS, often used in full size HDTV's. Aalas, cheap LED HDTV's will have more motion blur and more input lag than good computer monitors -- not a good state of affairs.
 
At $1000, plasma will generally be better for gaming, and a simpler choice at this budget level.

That said, several attributes of LCD's have finally caught up and surpassed plasma, but the catch is you can't get all of the attributes all at once in the same monitor (price, color, motion blur, contrast, input lag, etc). For example, LightBoost LCD monitors have much less motion blur than plasma, but are limited to 24"-27" monitor sizes at the moment. You don't have these gaming-friendly strobe backlights available in full-size HDTV's. (You do get scanning backlights in existing high end HDTV's, but they add input lag, and thus aren't gaming friendly, AND you have to pay way more than $1000) On the other hand, LightBoost monitors are TN panels, which normally don't have as good color as IPS, often used in full size HDTV's. Aalas, cheap LED HDTV's will have more motion blur and more input lag than good computer monitors -- not a good state of affairs.

And at what price will LED be better for gaming?
 
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And at what price will LED be better for gaming?
At $1000 level, the chasm is quite large -- plasma leads by a big margin.
At $3000 level, the chasm shrinks a lot, but not a simple question to answer at this time. If the LED HDTV models with "Clear Motion Ratio 960" or "MotionFlow XR 960" (in expensive $3000 HDTV's - the new 960fps done via 240fps interplation + 3:1 blackframe insertion via scanning backlights) -- if they could pull it off with zero input lag and zero interpolation artifacts, those could be the winner for gaming. However, since there are no known full-size LED HDTV's that use a gaming-friendly near-zero-lag strobe backlight techology, plasma still almost always wins for gaming. But it is technically possible, as proven by zero motion blur LightBoost LCD's (high-speed 480fps YouTube of strobe backlight). That doesn't exist in the home theater HTV's in a gaming-friendly manner yet. There needs to be demand for the manufacturers to do so.
 
Not to Hi jack but Godmachine suggested this TV
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-VIE...1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1357356061&sr=1-1

It is $1199

Costco has the same size Panosonic TV but different model number

http://www.costco.com/Panasonic-55"...=10701&keyword=plasma&langId=-1&storeId=10301

It is $799

They are both 55inches, one ends with UT50 the other ends with ST50

What is the difference and is it worth $400?

This is all I could find

Infinite Black

The Panasonic VIERA TC-P55ST50 has a Pro version of Infinite Black Panel. Unlike in the Panasonic VIERA TC-P55UT50 which has none. So what is this Infinite Black do to this ST50 model?

We often watch movies with a night or a dark scene. Unknown to us, we do not see the other “hidden” details that the movie producers want us to see. With Infinite Black, the 2012 version of the ST50 series show you those “hidden” details with better clarity. At the same time rendering blacks deeper and colors richer.

Its counterpart in terms of size, the Panasonic VIERA TC-P55VT50, has an Infinite Black Ultra Panel version. If your budget can allow it, you will enjoy seeing more robust blacks and clearer image details on screen.

Not sure how much of a difference than makes the "infinite black" makes, but the Costco deal seems pretty sweet
 
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Btw when shopping for plasma, try to really look into input lag numbers. Plasmas in general have nice response times and motion, but they are more bound to have higher input lag. Particularly for gaming. I'm personally very confused with my 50" LG PZ950's input lag - with different types of input and different sources, lag differs much.
 
Panasonic has been consistently amazing as far as input lag levels, from the few that i've tested since 2011. I tested a 4 year old Samsung, it was awful. By tested, i mean i moved things on the screen.
 
Panny plasmas are normally pretty good on input lag (especially in game mode).

I personally am not a fan of LCDs at all. The newest batches of LCDs have gotten a lot better on black level detail / color accuracy/ contrast ratio/etc but plasma is still better. The best LCDs are pretty close now to a decent plasma, but they're not cheap. And a good plasma (Panasonic VT series, etc) cannot be matched by an LCD on deep blacks and black detail.

If you're not one of those people that leaves a 4:3 image on the TV all day or otherwise leaves the TV on the background all the time without paying attention to it, get a good plasma.

If you are, you should sacrifice image quality for power savings and peace of mind. A plasma can burn in if you don't exert some small amount of effort into making sure the image isn't the same thing for 16 hours at a time and let it burn-in properly (uneven phosphor wear is a lot more likely to occur when the panel is now).

bias disclaimer - I own a Panny TC-P50GT25. VT was too rich for my blood at the time ($1000 for the GT vs $1600 or so for the VT...less juddery 24p support and better blacks weren't worth $600 to me)
 
For $1000 I dont think you can get a full array local dimming back lit LCD. And if its not a full array then there is no point in it being LED.
 
For $1000 I dont think you can get a full array local dimming back lit LCD. And if its not a full array then there is no point in it being LED.

It's not sold anymore, but the LG 42LH90 I have is full array and local dimming, cost me around $1k. Probably can pick up a used one on the cheap.
 
He is going to have to either lower his expectations of the panel or up the price range to get the superb panels in the 60" range. Now if you drop down to 55 you might find some good options.

Panels like the LG 5500 series Plasma or the Panasonic ST series will get you what you want, but the price may be out of reach on the Panasonic.

I love my 65VT60 and especially love gaming on it, though it is way out of your price range the ST Series is very similar and much closer. Since the superbowl is coming and the new panasonic 60 series is about to come out you may find some really good deals to end this month. Just keep looking!
 
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