What is causing the crashes? I haven't had a single issue on mine.
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What is causing the crashes? I haven't had a single issue on mine.
Its a desperate and poorly executed attempt at customer lock-in any want you want to slice it. And if they were banking on leveraging installed desktop base to compel them to go out and buy Metro based mobiles, well its backfiring based on the polarization they've incited, breeding contempt among many desktop users for the interface on ANY platform by having first forced the touch optimized interface onto non-touch desktops. Cart before horse.
Just because a new market has opened up and the "AOL noob" demographic is now using an iPad to check email instead of a beige desktop, doesn't mean desktop is going away, nor was it a reason for MS to start hyperventilating and bet it all on black, because despite the belief among all the overnight experts in computing trends, tablets will dent desktop sales but will never replace them.
Here's the point I think a lot of people are missing: touch for vertical displays is never going to take off. That includes touch laptops. Much as I reviled Steve Jobs and his near scientology-like corporate culture, fanbase mentality and products, his stance on vertical touch made a lot of sense (late 2010):
"We've done tons of user testing on this, and it turns out it doesn't work. Touch surfaces don't want to be vertical. It gives great demo but after a short period of time, you start to fatigue and after an extended period of time, your arm wants to fall off. it doesn't work, it's ergonomically terrible. Touch surfaces want to be horizontal, hence pads. For a notebook, that's why we're perfected our multitouch trackpads over the years, because that's the best way we've found to get multitouch into a notebook.
We've also, in essence, put a trackpad -- a multitouch track pad on the mouse with our magic mouse. And we've recently come out with a pure play trackpad as well for our desktop users. So this is how were going to use multitouch on our Mac products because this (he points at someone touch laptop screen) doesn't work."
"We've done tons of user testing on this, and it turns out it doesn't work. Touch surfaces don't want to be vertical. It gives great demo but after a short period of time, you start to fatigue and after an extended period of time, your arm wants to fall off. it doesn't work, it's ergonomically terrible. Touch surfaces want to be horizontal, hence pads. For a notebook, that's why we're perfected our multitouch trackpads over the years, because that's the best way we've found to get multitouch into a notebook.
We've also, in essence, put a trackpad -- a multitouch track pad on the mouse with our magic mouse. And we've recently come out with a pure play trackpad as well for our desktop users. So this is how were going to use multitouch on our Mac products because this (he points at someone touch laptop screen) doesn't work."
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Keep in mind the default Win7 experience was an error stating that windows could not find a program that could open that file type...
understatement of the year.
Win8 isn't just change like Win95 to Win7, it's something entirely different.
They should include. Based on my first impressions over the holidays using others new computers with win8, it appears to be the windows OS that makes you learn shortcuts using the windows key. Aka they finally make you use it instead of cursing it and getting an "app" to turn it off so it doesn't kick you out of a game when you hit it accidentally.
After 3 months, I formatted the hard drive and deleted the W8 trash.
Ordered an OEM Windows 7 64 bit and I just got my tracking number.
You can find my copy in my garbage can. Come get it.
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I should probably do the same.
Microsoft is such a troll with these every-other-release experimental failuresshiningarmor
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Have had no problems except Sims 3 Medieval incompatibility (lol!) and I like it
Spend most of the time on good ol' desktop still. Start screen is a lot faster and cleaner for own shortcuts than the old Start menu
Spend most of the time on good ol' desktop still. Start screen is a lot faster and cleaner for own shortcuts than the old Start menu
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I would gladly pay shipping. Your irrational loss is my rational gain.
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I've seen minor glitchy issues with an HD 4000 GPU and might have to try the Win7 driver. Pretty sure it's not really an OS problem. Like Vista's release, I'm guessing a lot of the crashes and stability issues are more immature drivers than OS bugs (though there's probably some of them running around as well that will get fixed over time). On the other hand, Catalyst Vista drivers for an ATI Radeon Xpress 1150 are pretty much completely stable, which is good since AMD isn't exactly falling all over itself to release Windows 8 drivers for a super old integrated GPU that no one uses.
Well, Metro is... nearly everything is the same for the desktop.
Just stupid, clunky quirks make it more annoying than useful. Like Devices / Printers is a subcategory of Control Panel. You can't search straight to it in Metro, but it'll probably be up by the time you get "pr" typed in on W7.
Signed drivers don't exist to provide security. They exist as a way for Microsoft to extort money out of driver developers and as a way to restrict free/open-source drivers from working on Wintendos.
Certificates are a racket, nothing more and nothing less. Proper security lets the user decide what should and should not be installed on THEIR computer. When Microsoft starts buying my computers for me, I will allow them to decide what I can and cannot install on it. Until that time, they can fuck off.
I installed Windows 8 on one of my HTPC's at home and was shocked at how poor they support remote controls -- even their own. the Metro UI looks like it was built to be an HTPC but there are many dead ends where you can get stuck with the remote with no way to get back to anything you can manipulate.
For example, the Big Green Button does _not_ function the same as the start key. so, right off the bat, once you get into an app you're stuck with no way to get home.
Most (if not all) of the apps have one trap or another. For example, open the music app, select an album and the button is on "Play Album". The OK button on the remote will toggle the button but the back button does not close the pop-up for the album or allow you to get back to the main UI of the Music App.
The same is true in the Photos and Videos apps. The Maps app is absolutely useless because while you can open the app, you cannot manipulate it in any way let alone get back to the main Metro UI.
All of this is happening with a Windows MCE remote on a standard MCE eHome IR receiver.
I could make the argument that Microsoft did not design Metro to be used with a remote except that they make it the default UI _and_ still include Media Center which allows me to exit back to the default system UI (which is Metro in this case).
This chap did a YouTube video about the experience: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZE2AFb9vzk
For example, the Big Green Button does _not_ function the same as the start key. so, right off the bat, once you get into an app you're stuck with no way to get home.
Most (if not all) of the apps have one trap or another. For example, open the music app, select an album and the button is on "Play Album". The OK button on the remote will toggle the button but the back button does not close the pop-up for the album or allow you to get back to the main UI of the Music App.
The same is true in the Photos and Videos apps. The Maps app is absolutely useless because while you can open the app, you cannot manipulate it in any way let alone get back to the main Metro UI.
All of this is happening with a Windows MCE remote on a standard MCE eHome IR receiver.
I could make the argument that Microsoft did not design Metro to be used with a remote except that they make it the default UI _and_ still include Media Center which allows me to exit back to the default system UI (which is Metro in this case).
This chap did a YouTube video about the experience: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZE2AFb9vzk
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Not going to get into all of the Windows 8 h8 here, just pointing out that if you want to remotely control Windows 8 this is the kind of device to do it with: http://www.amazon.com/FAVI-Entertai...qid=1357273077&sr=8-6&keywords=favi+bluetooth
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If I wanted a smartphone, I'd buy a freaking smartphone!!!
Why is all this extra gadgetry needed to make Windows 8 work properly?!
What a crappy OS.
I've never seen an OS, in my life, that required all of these extra add-ons just to use for normal functionality.
This is why everyone on here says "just buy a laptop", and I fully agree.
By the time one pays for all of this crap, they could have bought two laptops, and yet would still end up lugging around less gear than if you bought a Microsoft Surface with Windows 8!
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If I wanted a smartphone, I'd buy a freaking smartphone!!!
Why is all this extra gadgetry needed to make Windows 8 work properly?!
What a crappy OS.
I've never seen an OS, in my life, that required all of these extra add-ons just to use for normal functionality.
This is why everyone on here says "just buy a laptop", and I fully agree.
By the time one pays for all of this crap, they could have bought two laptops, and yet would still end up lugging around less gear than if you bought a Microsoft Surface with Windows 8!
It would solve the problem, but the problem wouldn't exist if Microsoft properly supported their own remote control inside their new OS. Then again, the seem to be moving away from media center usage for a conventional PC. I kinda think that they're going to be pushing Xbox devices 360/720/1440/2880
and so forth for that so you have to buy more devices. Really, with Windows 8 and a tablet, it's just a game of lug-the-keyboard and pretend like the device is more useful than a Wal-Mart laptop.
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I'll take the Wal-Mart "special", thanks.
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If I wanted a smartphone, I'd buy a freaking smartphone!!!
Why is all this extra gadgetry needed to make Windows 8 work properly?!
Extra gadgetry? We're talking about Windows Media Center remotes, very few people have them. Do you have any?
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No, I have enough remotes!
No more remotes!
The remotes should be a remote thought on a remote island on a remote planet on the other side of a remote galaxy!
How many times can I say 'remote' in one sentence!?!
Man, I haven't had a single crash with Win8 on multiple boxes. Me thinks something else is up...
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Or some of us who have who are officially fed up of Win 8's bullshit and Microsoft forcing things upon their loyal end-users.
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It would solve the problem, but the problem wouldn't exist if Microsoft properly supported their own remote control inside their new OS. Then again, the seem to be moving away from media center usage for a conventional PC. I kinda think that they're going to be pushing Xbox devices 360/720/1440/2880
The device I pointed out is compatible with Android. It is in addition to that a full QWERTY keyboard that's smaller lighter and thinner than any Windows Media Center remote I've ever seem in addition to being backlighted. I get called time and time again a Windows fanboy but I point out something that works cross platform and get nothing but grief. And yes, I actually have one of these and it's a very nice accessory to a Windows 8 tablet. I don't have an Android device, so I will not speak to the experience there.
Fanboy for life if it's simply speaking the plain truth.
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Actually, I was commenting on a post Red Falcon made which didn't have anything to do with you or was in any manner addressed at you so I don't really know why you're trying to start something with me.
Can't you, for once, let other people alone to have a discussion?No its not. Its shit compared to win7 stability I run some VDI with windows 8 and they crash hell of a lot more then 7. Must have been tested by microsoft twat monkeys.
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Actually, I was commenting on a post Red Falcon made which didn't have anything to do with you or was in any manner addressed at you so I don't really know why you're trying to start something with me.
My apologies. I was simply pointing out a cross platform solution that is based on Bluetooth that I believe is superior to a Windows Media Center remote that was developed over a decade ago.
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YAY!!! IM THE 2%!
+1 This fatal crashes are getting out of fuckin hand.
That are due the drivers you are using, unless you are trying to use W8 in virtualization enviroment, in which case it is because of the virtualization tool you are using.
You just need to get people to think it's a great idea, so they'll buy it. His stance on touch monitors for desktops is no different than what happens when you play a Wii. Yet those sold like hotcakes.
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this is true.
I disagree with the opinion that microsoft is responsible for manufacturers drivers not working right.
it seems to me, every other time people blame the manufacturers for falling behind in their driver, now it's all microsofts fault for changing stuff with a new OS.
queue the "manufacturers shouldn't have to support a shitty OS" bullshit posts.
Double standard. I hope people remember this argument the next time they criticize GNU/Linux for not support their hardware.
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But the crashes are because people install drivers from vendors which do crash, instead of using the MS supplied WHQL drivers.
how is that device even tangentially considered a "remote control" -- the MCE remote is set up and wife-usable exactly like a TV remote.
The only kind of people that use MS supplied drivers are the ones using Tier 1 PC's. :Looks around:
This is an enthusiast site, so we're probably going to use whatever drivers work for our purposes. I'll give Windows 8 at least a service pack prior to me using it as a day-to-day O/S. I'm already pissed that MS removed Gadgets and MSE support from it (not that there isn't a way to get Gadgets back in).
Anyhow, I'll wait for a Service Pack before it becomes my day-to-day O/S.
This is an enthusiast site, so we're probably going to use whatever drivers work for our purposes. I'll give Windows 8 at least a service pack prior to me using it as a day-to-day O/S. I'm already pissed that MS removed Gadgets and MSE support from it (not that there isn't a way to get Gadgets back in).
Anyhow, I'll wait for a Service Pack before it becomes my day-to-day O/S.
It is interesting how some sites will spin what is worse than how Vista did as a positive.
Here is how that 1.72% uptake after release compares to Vista/7:
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9235059/Windows_8_s_uptake_falls_behind_Vista_s_pace
Here is how that 1.72% uptake after release compares to Vista/7:
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9235059/Windows_8_s_uptake_falls_behind_Vista_s_pace
Hate to disagree. Wii sold like hotcakes for entirely different driving forces: because the name Nintendo and because commercials with people bowling in their living room, combined with carefully coordinated supply shortages. And not coincidentally the Wii U is flopping because people don't care anymore, "gimmick me once, shame on you"
But playing with a Wii controller is hardly the same as having your arm outstretched driving a touch monitor for extended periods and getting gorilla arm. You can be damn sure Enterprise will never adopt touch monitors because they don't want carpal tunnel and repetitive motion injury burdens. Its ergonomically retarded to drive a monitor by touch on a desktop.
Just press Win+W, and then "de", and it's there