NRA Blames Video Games For Violence

Sovereign said:
Yeah, crazy criminals are totally "deterred" by armed citizens, laws, etc... If gun control, laws and cops don't deter these nutjobs, why in God's name would armed citizens deter them?
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They are mentally ill and are trying to become an anti-hero.

You don't become an anti-hero by attacking a hard target, you attack a soft target. How many of these nuts attack police stations? Gun stores?

They go after soft targets, gun free zones where they can inflict maximum damage with no resistance. What happens as soon as an armed response confronts them? They usually kill themselves. The Oregon mall shooter is a prime example. They CCW holder didn’t even get off a shot but as soon as the gunman saw there was someone else there armed he killed himself.

So yes, they are deterred by force, just not any laws.
 
Someone I respect has a good compromise. Give the teachers tasers and train them how to use them. It's not the 9mm I carry but it's better than what they had.... which was nothing.
 
Sovereign said:
Yeah, crazy criminals are totally "deterred" by armed citizens, laws, etc... If gun control, laws and cops don't deter these nutjobs, why in God's name would armed citizens deter them?
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I don't think the point of more armed citizens is to deter them, I thought the point was to have the option to shoot these crazy cowards and hopefully kill them. If they're not deterred by cops, laws,and/or common sense, the (concealed) armed citizens are a last resort type of thing IMO. Anyone that thinks they can unjustly take the lives of others because their life totally sucks should be given the same respect they give to others. ESPECIALLY when attacking women and children and those that can't defend themselves.
 
Don't give guns to mentally unstable people and not to known criminals. Boom solves 90% of the problems and safe people still get to keep guns.
 
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God damn inbred rednecks at the NRA.

Its the gunman not the gun, but apparently its the video game not the gamer.

Inbred hypocrites.
 
Yes it is easy to blame video games but I must say that guns have been killing people for hundreds of years. Earliest video games where created in what, the 60's or 70's?
 
Thrasha69 said:
Yes it is easy to blame video games but I must say that guns have been killing people for hundreds of years. Earliest video games where created in what, the 60's or 70's?
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Luckily people regenerated from swordwounds.
 
I always though that the right to bear arms was to prevent Canada to invade the USA.
 
octoberasian said:
I've said it before in the other thread, if we're going to stop or lower gun violence or violent crimes, these issues need to be addressed:
  • Bad parenting and/or lack of discipline on their children. - If I haven't turned into a hardened violent criminal after 24 years of playing video games and watching violent movies, then what makes me different? Good parenting-- I was taught right and wrong when I was born; I have an active imagination but I can tell the difference between what's real and what's fiction-- heck, I write as a hobby.
  • Mental health research, issues and treatment. - Get the people that need mental help when they need it before they take out their delusional fantasies or psychosis events on other people. Help mental health research institutions find the cause and effect to violent behavior and violent crimes. Make mental health treatment widely available and easily accessible.
  • Personal counseling for both parent and child(ren). - It seems apparent in the case of Newtown, not only did he have social and mental issues, but he was very angry against his father. Address these issues of children in broken families, get them to talk. Ensure the parents talk to their children and get them help, get them counselling.
  • Extra-curricular activities and after school activities. - Allow children to find ways to express themselves that doesn't involve pulling a trigger or using some other deadly weapon on another person. It has been proven in cities and states that have after school programs have seen a decrease in gang-related crimes and teenage-related crimes.
  • Gun control and restrictions. - Gun control can't solve all the causes of violent crimes, only lessen them. Allow gun licensing similar to drivers license with yearly tests in both mental competence and gun safety and storage. Background checks will only do so much if a family member has access to the guns, but let that be a requirement especially mandatory on high-powered weapons. Increase punishments for those that do not secure their guns properly. Make every gun owner or potential gun owner take gun safety tests and shooting range tests, and teach them how to properly secure the gun in their own home so that a family member has no easy access to them. Restrict gun sales for customers that have family members with known mental and/or social issues, and make sure those family members get treatment before anyone purchases a gun in that household.
  • Increase funding for investigations and prosecutions into gun smuggling and black market sales..
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So you think we the people are going to fix bad parenting on a global/national scale after tens of thousands of years of (a percentage of the population always allowing) bad parenting on this planet? That's like saying we're going to fix inequality, poverty, bad genetics, (bad) religions, and some entire cultures. I'm actually dumfounded. The rest are great things to improve upon, just like the other things you say are not going to work. They all will help to some degree whether you think so or not.

Putting a cop in every school will help (to a degree, worth the small effort anyway)
Putting a metal detector in every school will help (to a degree, worth the small effort anyway)
Arming teachers and school faculty (well I say Principles and school cops, not teachers) will help (to a degree, worth the small effort anyway)

This is not the Wild West.
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It's not? You sure we didn't just change the name? Because according to my calculations the same exact kind of human beings that were alive and thriving at that time are the same kind of human beings that are alive and thriving at this time. I mean, I get you're trying to stick a certain kind of person to a certain time frame (like it justifies your way of thinking) but honestly that's just fucking dumb. There will always be some humans even if a small percentage that want to wreck havoc and it won't matter how many laws or rights you take away from the good guys. If anything, you'll just be hurting the good guys even more by trying to implement the wrong ideas due to lack of some serious in-depth analysis. Like sanctions for example. Usually the only people hurt by these ideas are the normal law abiding citizens.
 
Emtu said:
Just the fact that the NRA thinks that teachers carrying guns is a viable solution proves how ridiculous they are. So a grade 1 teacher is supposed to have a shootout in the classroom if a gunman enters? They might as well start replacing teachers with Terminators à la Class of 1999, it would make them sound less crazy. Not to mention all the other shootings that occurred before video games in the kind of detail we have now even existed, mass media seems to enjoy sweeping that little detail under the rug though.
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The sad part is, i've done weapons training classes with the police and with the state corrections department... remember, these are people who carry guns daily... and i can honestly tell you... better than 50% of them cannot shoot for shit...and im not talking about in a stressful situation like a prison break or a shoot out, im talking on the range for yearly training... and to think they want to arm teachers when law enforcement training is so pathetic? Yea, brilliant idea...watch a 7th grade teacher pull his glock out and cap a kid who mouths off to him... you KNOW FOR CERTAIN that will happen...
 
Major_A said:
Those chose video games becuase if they said Hollywood then the MPAA would be suing the shit out of them. Last time I looked at my pistol it was an inert object. It wasn't doing anything bad or good, it was just there. Put that in a responsible person's hands and it's fine. Put in an irresponsible person's hands and it becomes something else. This pussification of America and passing the blame to everyone else but the parties involved is mind boggling to me.
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Perfectly said, and yes the pussification of America started in our unionized public school systems. That generation has grown up and many are outright fearful merely in the presence of a firearm, and there is no longer such a thing as personal responsibility or bad guys. The bleeding hearts had the best of intentions, but the results have done more harm than good.
 
Oh, and if there was any doubt as to the pussification of the younger generation...

Their idols of the youth are Justin Bieber and The Highschool Musical is considered really cool.
 
Originally Posted by octoberasian
Increase funding for investigations and prosecutions into gun smuggling and black market sales..
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You do know our government got caught selling fully automatic weapons to drug cartels in Mexico, right? Let me ask you, how can we get our government to go after our government for selling guns to murderous drug dealers? Also, do you think they're doing things like this still (or worse) that they haven't been outed for doing yet? I guess my point is, some of the things you think would help and would help (I agree they would help) are just never going to happen, in real life, ever!
 
J So said:
Someone I respect has a good compromise. Give the teachers tasers and train them how to use them. It's not the 9mm I carry but it's better than what they had.... which was nothing.
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Then watch the tasers get abused, lawsuits destroy the funding for that school.. and in the end, it costs us more in court fees and training than it would for a couple of funerals and the overtime associated with a shooting... which is what the rest of the public ultimately care about....after the initial month or two after something happens...

The ONLY way to minimize the rise of mass shootings, is to stop the media from giving the shooters fame..but you cannot stop it... its going to happen...gun violence has actually gone down, according to statistics spouted off by just about everyone...mass shootings have however risen along with the proliferation of mass media...

So in essence, we can take away our right to bear arms guaranteed us....while still allowing a freedom of the press to break the law to get a story, and then not reporting the story, but instead making up wild bullshit without fact checking because someone on twitter said so...Bath Salts anyone? Zero fact checking, now a ban on bath salts that had nothing to do with some guy deciding he wanted a mcdonalds humanburger...
 
Ducman69 said:
Oh, and if there was any doubt as to the pussification of the younger generation...

Their idols of the youth are Justin Bieber and The Highschool Musical is considered really cool.
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No, just no. No straight male finds either of those cool. Get your generalizations right next time please.
 
If there was a correlation between video game violence and violent crime do you really think we would even be having this discussion? America would of been burning Duke Nukem style back in the late 90's when we had games like Quake, Duke, SoF, GTA, Unreal Tourney, etc...

There is nothing I can say or do to express my regret and sadness for the victims of that shooting. I will not give up my rights willingly, and I have to ask why don't there schools have armed police? Here in Texas our school police carried. May have changed since I graduated in 01'. Hell after Columbine we all had to wear ID badges around our neck. Not to mention we had security camera's, and the entire school was locked. You had to be let in at the front desk. I lived in a upper-middle class neighborhood. The only thing we didn't have were metal detectors. I blame the shooter first and foremost. Then I look at what the school district should have been doing to protect the children, but I'm careful with that because that's being hypercritical after the fact. After so many shooting though why isn't every school like the one I attended? My little brothers high school has very similar security.
 
Amaroth said:
If there was a correlation between video game violence and violent crime do you really think we would even be having this discussion? America would of been burning Duke Nukem style back in the late 90's when we had games like Quake, Duke, SoF, GTA, Unreal Tourney, etc...

There is nothing I can say or do to express my regret and sadness for the victims of that shooting. I will not give up my rights willingly, and I have to ask why don't there schools have armed police? Here in Texas our school police carried. May have changed since I graduated in 01'. Hell after Columbine we all had to wear ID badges around our neck. Not to mention we had security camera's, and the entire school was locked. You had to be let in at the front desk. I lived in a upper-middle class neighborhood. The only thing we didn't have were metal detectors. I blame the shooter first and foremost. Then I look at what the school district should have been doing to protect the children, but I'm careful with that because that's being hypercritical after the fact. After so many shooting though why isn't every school like the one I attended? My little brothers high school has very similar security.
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A lot of the issues are state funding. The common argument being: Where do you get the money to install metal detectors, security guards/police officers, ID checks, security cameras, etc. into every school in the state? With the amount of cost cutting and budget cuts many states have done in recent years, it's going to need help from federal funding. And the voters in the State go up in arms about any cuts to certain programs or a rise in taxes to fund other programs. If people aren't willing to spend more for safety, then who will? Something or someone will have to make a sacrifice to increase safety in our schools.

After Columbine, high schools in Southern California where I live, many had metal detectors installed and police officers stationed in schools where violent crime was common. One high school a friend attended had a mini-police station on campus, with periodic patrols by policemen.

As for MasonD, if you have a better suggestion, I'll gladly hear it. I guarantee that the commission led by Joe Biden is going to call for higher restrictions on gun sales or something of that nature. Gun controls isn't going to solve everything until you find the cause to violent crimes and violent mass shootings and killings. Once you find the cause, only then can these senseless crimes be stopped or lessened.

Cause and effect. Find the former and you can find a solution for the latter. It's not going to be an easy or simple answer that's for sure.
 
Splatterhouse??? You're a little late to the game NRA.
They just realized that a game from 1988 (not the shitty remake) was violent?

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FTW
 
octoberasian said:
If violence in movies and video games make people violent and perform mass killings, nearly everyone in contact with it and even people on these forums are mass killers or potential murderers. (Are you?)

No.
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Wow....I could use your same words......

"If carrying pistols and rifles make people violent and perform mass killings, nearly everyone in contact with it and even people on these forums are mass killers or potential murderers. (Are you?)

No."


Your Wild West analogy has been disproved a 1000x times over every time a state enacts CPL/CCW legality laws. Doesn't happen no matter how much Hollywood you try to interject into it.
 
tlkimball said:
I know a guy with over 10 assault rifles. I seriously doubt that anyone who thinks they need that many could ever pass a psychological background check.
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I have over a million baseball cards... over 1000 military history books, mostly about the german army in ww2...I also hate religions of all kinds and have numerous books that are anti religious.....

does this mean my psychological profile would be something about being a child predator due to my love of collecting cards like a child, or that i was immature to the point of being violent and hating children? And what about my military history interest, i must be a future terrorist bent on world domination, oh and a white supremacist who hates jews? I must also have a hatred for people of all religions so i must be hell bent on destroying some church somewhere with a pipe bomb and witty rhetoric?

Its not about a NEED its about a want... based on your assumption, rich people should have their money taken from them once they've accumulated what... 10 million? 100 million? Just because what possible need is there for more to live happily, it must be a mental defect, ban em from spending it! GIMME THE MONEY! People with more than 2, or 3 or 4 kids should have their children taken away from them because they arent responsible according to a pyschiatrist, or there are people who cant have children who deserve them and deserve another entitlement based on someone else doing the leg work?

You can argue this all day, its not a valid point...and does nothing for the discussion but add some comedy about how YOU most likely dont deserve citizenship...lol
 
octoberasian said:
A lot of the issues are state funding. The common argument being: Where do you get the money to install metal detectors, security guards/police officers, ID checks, security cameras, etc. into every school in the state? With the amount of cost cutting and budget cuts many states have done in recent years, it's going to need help from federal funding. And the voters in the State go up in arms about any cuts to certain programs or a rise in taxes to fund other programs. If people aren't willing to spend more for safety, then who will? Something or someone will have to make a sacrifice to increase safety in our schools.

After Columbine, high schools in Southern California where I live, many had metal detectors installed and police officers stationed in schools where violent crime was common. One high school a friend attended had a mini-police station on campus, with periodic patrols by policemen.
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I'm aware it all takes money. Our school district found a way after Columbine. When you cut bull shit out of budgets there are always ways to find money. No doubt its harder now, or near impossible for some districts. I would be willing to bet though they could find officers to volunteer time to the schools if they didn't have money in their budget. Point is we can be creative and figure out solutions without always stripping rights first. That should always be the last resort and not the first like our legislators like to do. I doubt anything will come of it though. Shit, they can't even create a budget. Every American would be homeless, dead, or starving if we were allowed to do what they have with our money.
 
Man, the lack of critical thinking on this issue is mind boggling. I can tell you one thing, putting more guns into various peoples' hands is not the answer. People saying so are just as bad as all of the idiots saying that all guns should be illegal.

There are several countries that have more guns per capita than we do and they don't have our gun violence. There is something about the culture in this country that ends up with guns being used on people more often than in other countries.
 
xIronCrossx said:
Most would believe you are probably a Nazi because of your username. People call me a Nazi because I'm German and prefer a buzz cut. So many ignorant people in the US.
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So you take one generalization and make another... :confused: You may want to rethink that being a US problem.
 
Amaroth said:
So you take one generalization and make another... :confused: You may want to rethink that being a US problem.
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Because 70% or so of the people I've met in real life or online always made some comment relating to being a Nazi or something.

I'm actually in highschool though, so I would know better what people in my age groups find cool than someone who's much older.
 
Old Man said:
Wayne Lapierre is a conspiracy nut.
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I wouldn't go that far. I'd say he is a bit misguided. Some good ideas, some bad.

An earlier post illustrated the true root cause. Mental illness and mind altering/mood enhancing prescription drugs are almost ALWAYS involved in these mass shootings.
 
xIronCrossx said:
Most would believe you are probably a Nazi because of your username. People call me a Nazi because I'm German and prefer a buzz cut. So many ignorant people in the US.
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Well ironically enough, i do have a shaved head, but im married to a non white woman.. so im kinda on the political rehabilitation camp waiting list...lol
 
blackscreen said:
Maybe if people started blaming the shooters we might get somewhere...
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Yes. Yes. Yes. Just a heads up you leftist d-bags. The world is evil. There are evil people that do horrible evil shit to innocent people. It's been going on long before America existed. Long before the first firearm existed. It has nothing to fucking do with guns. Fucking with gun rights will solve nothing. The NRA did exactly what they should have done > take the focus off of guns. They fought offense with more offense.

How about you face the facts that this was the fault of a sick fucking human being. It was his own planning and doing. He's the one you should be angry with. Not the NRA, not guns, not knives, not cars, not bombs. Be angry at the shooter and his mom for having guns accessible to a mentally ill, soon-to-be-committed, sick kid. That's it. That's all. Removing our rights doesn't make anything better, it makes it worse. Brainwashed sheeple.
 
Brahmzy said:
Yes. Yes. Yes. Just a heads up you leftist d-bags. The world is evil. There are evil people that do horrible evil shit to innocent people. It's been going on long before America existed. Long before the first firearm existed. It has nothing to fucking do with guns. Fucking with gun rights will solve nothing. The NRA did exactly what they should have done > take the focus off of guns. They fought offense with more offense.

How about you face the facts that this was the fault of a sick fucking human being. It was his own planning and doing. He's the one you should be angry with. Not the NRA, not guns, not knives, not cars, not bombs. Be angry at the shooter and his mom for having guns accessible to a mentally ill, soon-to-be-committed, sick kid. That's it. That's all. Removing our rights doesn't make anything better, it makes it worse. Brainwashed sheeple.
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Pretty much yeah. If you think someone is seriously bent, get them help or at the least talk to them or someone about it.
 
Wow, this is like the hat-trick of own goals from the NRA. Gamers are the most reflexively pro-gun unorthodox demographic I can think of, plus games in general exactly like Bulletstorm and GTA have serve to propel their agenda onto young people better than pretty much anything else. If they don't have gamers, then they have nothing and we'll get our AWB and then some.

Thankfully for them I don't think this means much unless they manage dig deeper.
 
Brahmzy said:
Yes. Yes. Yes. Just a heads up you leftist d-bags. The world is evil. There are evil people that do horrible evil shit to innocent people. It's been going on long before America existed. Long before the first firearm existed. It has nothing to fucking do with guns. Fucking with gun rights will solve nothing. The NRA did exactly what they should have done > take the focus off of guns. They fought offense with more offense.

How about you face the facts that this was the fault of a sick fucking human being. It was his own planning and doing. He's the one you should be angry with. Not the NRA, not guns, not knives, not cars, not bombs. Be angry at the shooter and his mom for having guns accessible to a mentally ill, soon-to-be-committed, sick kid. That's it. That's all. Removing our rights doesn't make anything better, it makes it worse. Brainwashed sheeple.
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Cool story bro! go watch fux news network (fair and balance for all!)
 
I've always thought that a broader look at the at the Troops to Teachers program should take place. Soldiers who ETS out of the Army (or any other branch) would get to continue saving for retirement at half the credit yearly. The program could be overhauled to become a air marshal program of sorts, plus a weapon in the form of principles or volunteer law enforcement on school grounds.

A 5'2" woman rushed a mad man with no weapon knowing she would likely die. Most everyone would defend children and if alive I would guarantee she would have wanted a firearm to defend the kids.

Everyone of these events happened in a gun free zone, where serious mental health was a concern. No one ever tackles the problems, and the liberals never actually listen to all the crime prevented by armed citizens, they also don't care about Gun Town USA. The town had bad crime, a law was passed that armed all citizens and overnight crime was gone.

Banning Assault Weapons will realistically do nothing, its a feel good measure.
 
Guns don't kill people; people kill people. Ask yourself would you rather some maniac kill you quickly with a gun or bash you brains in with a baseball bat. I would pefer the gun
 
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