Four Million Windows 8 Upgrades Since Friday

heatlesssun said:
So you don't look at what you're launching? That's certainly not going to be the case for 99.9999% of any computer user. I can't really saying anything about it be distracting, that's going to vary person to person.
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I don't care what 99.9999% of computer users do. I care what I do. Dumbing down everything so that coco the retarded monkey can use it makes us all dumb and it interferes with the productivity of intelligent people.

Keep your interface for dummies but give me the option to turn it off (without hacks or third party software).

The search in Windows 7 is only local. The search in Windows 8 is extended by apps so there's a lot more to search on. At any rate depending on how many results you get back in Windows 7 you may have to go to a different screen. And a search term can easily be applied to any Metro app. There's just so many differences in how search works from Metro compared to the desktop that complaining about this issue, while valid also misses the point of just how much more extensible the new Search is in reality.
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Since I would never buy or download any Metro apps (I refuse to use walled gardens), I don't care. Windows 7 can search from multiple sources too; the indexer has the ability to load plugins to index different types of content. In addition, I am fully capable of handling a single search box for multiple different sources.

Actually this is quite intuitive, is really analogous to a dash or poster board and it does handle a lot of items well, but it does require manual organization. But in a way that's kind of the point, it was mean not to be a static list of hierarchical icons but a representation of what is important to a person at any particular time.
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OK, you try manually organizing a hundred+ applications and get back to me. I have better things to do with my time than play Mahjong with the operating system.

Yeah, who would want notifications things important to them on their computer?:confused:
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I don't consider Bing News or any of the other services that Microsoft has chosen to advertise by default to be important.

Let the user decide what is important.
 
damicatz said:
OK, you try manually organizing a hundred+ applications and get back to me. I have better things to do with my time than play Mahjong with the operating system.
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Fucking WIN. :D

Desktop Taipei works too...lol!
 
damicatz said:
I don't care what 99.9999% of computer users do.
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That's easy to say if you're not selling software to hundreds of millions of people.

damicatz said:
I care what I do. Dumbing down everything so that coco the retarded monkey can use it makes us all dumb and it interferes with the productivity of intelligent people.
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Many intelligent people have learned the new UI and it's not at all interfering with their productivity. Why would it? Nothing productive is done in either the Start Screen or Start Menu. Productive work happens inside of applications and those run as they always have in Windows 8.

damicatz said:
Keep your interface for dummies but give me the option to turn it off (without hacks or third party software).
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It's not my interface.

damicatz said:
OK, you try manually organizing a hundred+ applications and get back to me. I have better things to do with my time than play Mahjong with the operating system.
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Really no more difficult than adding and managing short cuts in the Start Menu, Task Bar or Desktop if any of those scaled shortcuts as well.

damicatz said:
Let the user decide what is important.
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Windows isn't a democracy, it is a commercial product designed and sold by a publicly traded company whose first mission is to make a profit. If Microsoft though that keeping the Start Menu would increase profit, that's probably what they would have done. Maybe they will if the market doesn't like Windows 8. But it will be market conditions that dictate this, not a bunch of anonymous folks and IT bloggers that constitute at best a fraction of a percent of the total number of people who will use Windows 8.
 
This thread is funny to see all the kicking screaming nannies who refuse to upgrade because it ruins their lives. I did but I guess I forgot how much the internet can cater to these types.
 
heatlesssun said:
That's easy to say if you're not selling software to hundreds of millions of people.
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Microsoft is already selling software to hundreds of millions of people who seem to be handling the existing "complex" interface just fine.

Many intelligent people have learned the new UI and it's not at all interfering with their productivity. Why would it? Nothing productive is done in either the Start Screen or Start Menu. Productive work happens inside of applications and those run as they always have in Windows 8.
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I haven't had a problem learning the UI. I've learned it just fine but that doesn't mean that I like it or that I like playing Mahjong Windows 8 Edition. It is useless distracting nonsense.

Really no more difficult than adding and managing short cuts in the Start Menu, Task Bar or Desktop if any of those scaled shortcuts as well.
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I don't have to manage "shortcuts" in my "start menu"; my computer is set up to automatically organize every installed program by category.

Windows isn't a democracy, it is a commercial product designed and sold by a publicly traded company whose first mission is to make a profit. If Microsoft though that keeping the Start Menu would increase profit, that's probably what they would have done. Maybe they will if the market doesn't like Windows 8. But it will be market conditions that dictate this, not a bunch of anonymous folks and IT bloggers that constitute at best a fraction of a percent of the total number of people who will use Windows 8.
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This is where you are wrong. I've already removed Windows from all of my computers except my Wintendo (and the second games start requiring Windows 8, it too will be Windows Free) and this is a direct result of Windows 8 and the direction they are taking. I know that I am not alone in this.
 
damicatz said:
Microsoft is already selling software to hundreds of millions of people who seem to be handling the existing "complex" interface just fine.
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The question though is for how long can Microsoft keep selling a standard desktop OS that would have any consumer appeal as more and more tablets are sold and desktop sales remain flat. And actually many say the problem with the new UI isn't that it's dumbed down or simpler, but that it's more complex with is multiple gestures heavy input methods and chromeless design.

damicatz said:
I haven't had a problem learning the UI. I've learned it just fine but that doesn't mean that I like it or that I like playing Mahjong Windows 8 Edition. It is useless distracting nonsense.
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You don't like it, fair enough, no other can argue with one's personal preference.

damicatz said:
I don't have to manage "shortcuts" in my "start menu"; my computer is set up to automatically organize every installed program by category.
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So does Windows 8, the same Start Menu folder is there, but Windows 8 add another shortcuts area in the Start Screen.

damicatz said:
This is where you are wrong. I've already removed Windows from all of my computers except my Wintendo (and the second games start requiring Windows 8, it too will be Windows Free) and this is a direct result of Windows 8 and the direction they are taking. I know that I am not alone in this.
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How am I wrong? If one doesn't use Windows that's one choice, that still doesn't change the fact that Windows is the product of a for profit public company, like virtually every product that all of use in our daily lives whether it be Windows, gas or laundry detergent.
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SkribbelKat said:
Can we send you to some of the OEMs out there so you can convince them to stop installing value added applications like a Toshiba-specific update utility, wireless control thingey, and random hard drive monitoring program that might or might not tell me when SMART reports something bad is about to happen to my 50 GB of photos of my cat?
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What about the 3TB of HD cat videos? :eek: You need to get with the times if you haven't started taking 1080p cat videos yet!
 
I've gotten 3 so far .. and plan on getting 2 more .. at $15 a pop .. you betcha :)

upgraded 1 win7 and 2 vista boxes .. looking to upgrade another vista and my daughtes xp box ..
 
4 Million updates is counted individually. So to date there were 100 updates you need to divide by 100. The PR guys do seem to be spinning Win 8 as a success....
 
i would say majority of PCs overseas, (India, China, Japan) must be big as i've visited there and majority of PCs used in bank and government offices used either windows 2k or xp, so it's long time coming but they would need to upgrade over time.
 
I'm buying it, cause....$15. Using it on my normal computer...different story. Since my job revolves around computers, it's always best to stay up with current technology.
 
krotch said:
I'm buying it, cause....$15. Using it on my normal computer...different story. Since my job revolves around computers, it's always best to stay up with current technology.
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That's like saying since someone works on cars then they should own every model so they know how to repair them. I hear what you are saying, especially since it's so cheap, but my business is in building and repairing computers yet I have never owned a PC with Win ME or Vista on it. Yet, somehow I was still able to repair ME and Vista computers due to my staying on top of things via the old way; reading.

Of course, I do like to read so there's that. Some people really hate reading but I enjoy it. I'm weird like that. :D
 
I probably will upgrade to Windows 8 just to see what all complains are about :)
 
I guess this is due to Windows 8 being affordable and cheap. I was surprised to see the huge price difference between Windows 8 current pricing and previous versions of Windows.
 
I will get it.

Come on, never before you were able to get a legit copy of a new version of Windows so cheap here in my country. In fact, that's why piracy runs rampant around here, but this time they're doing it right. Retail version could be cheaper, but at least it's not really uber expensive like in the past.
 
damicatz said:
Microsoft is already selling software to hundreds of millions of people who seem to be handling the existing "complex" interface just fine.
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The question is how long they can continue to do that ... companies have to reinvent themselves periodically (IBM) or reinvent their products (Microsoft, Apple) ... if they don't then they become like RIM a bankrupt has been that will soon be on the trash heap of corporate history

I can't say whether this is the right direction for MS or not ... I am not going the early adopter route on this upgrade ... but to argue they shouldn't make any change is ridiculous ... MS hasn't made a truly major change to anything other than the guts of their OS in a decade (that might be why there is so much resistance to this change) ... if this was the wrong change then I expect MS to fix it in a patch or in an early release of Win 9 (can you say Win 7 vs Vista ;) ) ... but they have a fiduciary responsibility to at least try and protect their hegemony from the upstarts of Google and Apple ... this is their attempt to do that (for right or wrong) :cool:
 
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Ok enough already! We heard it!
 
The only way that Linux will ever become the new computer Hegemony, like Windows, is if it does so under the auspices of Google Chrome or Google Android ... without a corporate backer it cannot displace the existing Hegemony easily ... it will never do so as an independent and non-backed piece of software ;)
 
cdr_74_premium said:
Ok enough already! We heard it!
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LOL for real. ' i use HUNDREDS of pieces of software I dont wanna deal with the start screen!'

:rolleyes"

DrDoug said:
That's like saying since someone works on cars then they should own every model so they know how to repair them. I hear what you are saying, especially since it's so cheap, but my business is in building and repairing computers yet I have never owned a PC with Win ME or Vista on it. Yet, somehow I was still able to repair ME and Vista computers due to my staying on top of things via the old way; reading.

Of course, I do like to read so there's that. Some people really hate reading but I enjoy it. I'm weird like that. :D
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that analogy would work better if there were only a few major car models in the entire world, instead of a large # of manufacturers, though most use similar equipment across all their models(radio, HVAC Controls, ETC)

ME was almost identical to win 98 UI, and vista is almost identical to 7's UI.

Not to mention you dont need to interact with the OS much to install it on a bare machine :p

8 will save you some man hours though, it installs pretty fast
 
DrDoug said:
That's like saying since someone works on cars then they should own every model so they know how to repair them. I hear what you are saying, especially since it's so cheap, but my business is in building and repairing computers yet I have never owned a PC with Win ME or Vista on it. Yet, somehow I was still able to repair ME and Vista computers due to my staying on top of things via the old way; reading.

Of course, I do like to read so there's that. Some people really hate reading but I enjoy it. I'm weird like that. :D
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If you're the type that can learn and maintain knowledge through reading, that's great. I'm not. I read, then forget after a few days. When I actually work on it over and over again, I maintain that knowledge.

I also don't equate owning all Windows versions as being the same as owning every single car model. It's more like owning every type of engine out there (gas, diesel, rotary, fuel injection, etc). If you can work on every single type of engine, you can work on every single car out there. If you can work on any version of Windows, you can work on every make/model of PC (the non-*nix based ones at least).

Since I bought a new laptop like 2 weeks ago, I get a $15 upgrade to Windows 8. Might as well pay that $15. Even if I don't use it (which I probably won't), I'll just load it on my sister or parent's computers. I have TechNet, so it's not a big deal for me to actually own it.
 
Why does everyone compare computers to cars? They're not at all the same. A computer isn't the mysterious black box that a car is because it's a lot easier to understand what goes on inside one than what happens in a car and the respective industries are pretty much completely different.
 
krotch said:
It's more like owning every type of engine out there (gas, diesel, rotary, fuel injection, etc). If you can work on every single type of engine, you can work on every single car out there.
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If you understand the theory behind it, you don't need to own every type. My prior line of work was as a mechanic and I've worked on everything from boat engines, semis, RV's, trucks, cars, motorcycles and so on. Porsche, Mercedes, Harley, Mac, Bayliner or whatever, I've worked on them all. I do have to say that my time at a Porsche/Audi dealership was some real fun in the automotive world. As long as you know the theory then you can effect proper repairs.

I grew up poor and books were all I had for amusement. I took an Evelyn Wood Speed Reading Dynamics course in the sixth grade and it was the best thing I could have ever done. If it was printed then I read it, I devoured reading material like it was food. Manuals, novels, who cares, as long as it was something to read. Like I told my son, you may not even understand it but you will start to ask yourself questions that you otherwise never would have, then curiosity leads you to search for the answers.

It's an investment in your mind. I stay on top of things by reading, which I do nearly every single day.
 
I tried the beta on my PC and didn't like it.

However, we will be putting it on the wife's Acer Icona W500 tablet.

I think it's going to work better than Win 7 on it, since it's clearly setup better for touchscreen use.
 
I bought it and love it i plan on upgrading all PC's and will be getting W8 phone sick of apple and android.
 
I see the $40 upgrade on microsoft.com, but upgrade from what? They don't say. Does XP work?
 
I might get Windows 8 eventually. Not loving the MetroUI but from videos I've seen, it seems like its pretty minimizeable to get back to a desktop that lays underneath. Seems akin to Windows Media Center that you are unable to shut down and only minimize and the start menu being only accessable via Windows Media Center. I will probably upgrade whenever drivers/software for Windows 7 stop getting updated first, as often or at all or the price to upgrade drops below $20.00; whichever comes first.

As to switching to Linux as ppl in this thread have suggested -- not until a corporate backer hops on board. I think of using Linux as being analogous to flying in an airplane build by meshing together individual components made in hobbyists garages vs flying in an airplane made by Boeing. Yes, both will occasionally crash from time to time, but all the same I'd rather place my life's hands in Boeing's professional machinist, chemist, engineers, quality control technicians, etc. I will admit, I will use open software for my media player, phone and other things I deem as less important/trivial.
 
WBurchnall said:
As to switching to Linux as ppl in this thread have suggested -- not until a corporate backer hops on board. I think of using Linux as being analogous to flying in an airplane build by meshing together individual components made in hobbyists garages vs flying in an airplane made by Boeing. Yes, both will occasionally crash from time to time, but all the same I'd rather place my life's hands in Boeing's professional machinist, chemist, engineers, quality control technicians, etc. I will admit, I will use open software for my media player, phone and other things I deem as less important/trivial.
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Do you have ANY idea who Canonical is? They've been sponsoring Ubuntu (their commercial distro) for YEARS, has relationship ties with a few major OEMs, Google is sponsoring them for their in-house distro (GooBuntu) and has been widely adopted in foreign countries. They've already saturated India, China, Iceland, and Brazil. Do some research.

Red Hat is another corporate Linux entity, but they're main audience is the enterprise.
 
reb00tin said:
Thank you. What does that mean? Does it prompt you for the CD of the previous version? Or do you install a previous version and Win 8 deletes it for you?
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I did a "clean" install with an upgrade from USB, redoing drive partitions and all that stuff and it didn't prompt for qualifying media during the process. I don't know what it does if you do an in-place upgrade. Here's directions for the cleain install process:
 
DrDoug said:
If you understand the theory behind it, you don't need to own every type. My prior line of work was as a mechanic and I've worked on everything from boat engines, semis, RV's, trucks, cars, motorcycles and so on. Porsche, Mercedes, Harley, Mac, Bayliner or whatever, I've worked on them all. I do have to say that my time at a Porsche/Audi dealership was some real fun in the automotive world. As long as you know the theory then you can effect proper repairs.
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Many ppl know the theory behind how a gasoline engine works. Doesn't mean they'll know how to fix it. I know the theory behind how a space shuttle takes off, think I can fix one?

I grew up poor and books were all I had for amusement. I took an Evelyn Wood Speed Reading Dynamics course in the sixth grade and it was the best thing I could have ever done. If it was printed then I read it, I devoured reading material like it was food. Manuals, novels, who cares, as long as it was something to read. Like I told my son, you may not even understand it but you will start to ask yourself questions that you otherwise never would have, then curiosity leads you to search for the answers.
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Curiousity tends to lead to you spending time doing it, to get the answer. That or a certain problem occurs and you research to find an solution and test it. In the Windows world, I think anyone who's had to troubleshoot a problem, finds that you'll have 10 different possible solutions, but only 1 really works. Which of course, you need that specific OS to test it on. Reading, of course is helpful, but without testing it, it's useless.

It's an investment in your mind. I stay on top of things by reading, which I do nearly every single day.
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Great. You read, you learn. I also do this, but I want to make sure what I'm reading is actually true.

Like today, having issues with Citrix. Got the error, researched, game up with about 25 different possible fixes. None worked. Possibility that I will retain any of that knowledge. 0%, as none of it worked.
 
WBurchnall said:
As to switching to Linux as ppl in this thread have suggested -- not until a corporate backer hops on board. I think of using Linux as being analogous to flying in an airplane build by meshing together individual components made in hobbyists garages vs flying in an airplane made by Boeing. Yes, both will occasionally crash from time to time, but all the same I'd rather place my life's hands in Boeing's professional machinist, chemist, engineers, quality control technicians, etc. I will admit, I will use open software for my media player, phone and other things I deem as less important/trivial.
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Red Hat is pretty much like Boeing.

Boeing makes planes.
Red Hat makes OS's.

Huge companies buy/maintain/use these planes.
Huge companies buy/maintain/use these OS's.

Almost all normal consumers will never own these planes.
Almost all normal consumers will ever use these OS's at home.

Millions of ppl commute on these planes every year.
Millions of ppl interface with these Red Hat servers every year.
 
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