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Retina display - how good is it and how does it compare?
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looked better than my 23" Asus 120Hz monitor
The PC monitor industry has a vastly dysfunctional disconnect with the consumer. There is absolutely no communication from the consumer to the industry. I don't think it has ever occurred to them to think about what the consumer might want.
No matter how much you hate Apple, you've got to admit that Apple is the only tech company in the past 10 years that has shown any interest whatsoever in increasing display quality for consumers.
As someone who likes high DPI monitors; what I've seen was by the time Windows could reasonably handle different DPI settings, the market was moving away from high resolution displays on laptops being an option to calling 1366x768 HD.
Because Apple controls the whole picture, they can introduce higher DPI displays at the same time they introduce software to make things look OK without 3rd party software having to do things the right way. It also helps that all of their laptops are expensive, so adding a $200 display upgrade as an option doesn't seem out of place; would many people be willing to do a $200 display upgrade on a $300 laptop (apparently not, because Dell and friends don't let me buy one)
Because Apple controls the whole picture, they can introduce higher DPI displays at the same time they introduce software to make things look OK without 3rd party software having to do things the right way. It also helps that all of their laptops are expensive, so adding a $200 display upgrade as an option doesn't seem out of place; would many people be willing to do a $200 display upgrade on a $300 laptop (apparently not, because Dell and friends don't let me buy one)
Haha this is what I was referencing to in my post at the top of the thread.
Your 23" monitor is 1080p...
Make your own:
http://www.kf6nvr.net/blog/archives/000962.html
http://www.kf6nvr.net/blog/archives/000962.html
Couldn't agree more.
do agree with you!
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Not everyone pays 700-1000€ for a 2560x1440px low contrast display like me i'm not a money cow.
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Retina is only a IPS display and they have a cotrast around 800:1 like the PLS and TN displays only VA displays have a good contrats around 2500:1 - 5000:1 like most TV's. You can get also a lot of 27" 2560x1440px IPS and PLS displays for around 800€.
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houkouonchi
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I am definitely greatfull to apple. Was never an apple guy but i bought a 15 inch macbook retina the day it was released. I really enjoy 2880x1800 on a laptop. Of course I am not their standard customer. I triple boot linux/windows/mac os X.
In mac OS X I have HiDPI mode disabled. I am all about screen real-estate. HiDPI mode wastes the display IMHO. On linux I run X at 75 DPI (not 100) and I am fine with this.
I am amazed it took over 10 years for a monitor on a laptop or PC to finally exceed the PPI of my T221 9503-DGP and Viewsonic VP2290b monitors which were 204 PPI to the retina macbook at 215 PPI (and the 13 inch one is slightly higher than that).
I am really hoping apple releases a computer monitor soon that is 'retina' as well. If it wasn't because of apple these resolutions probably would have been delayed another 5 years, sadly.
In mac OS X I have HiDPI mode disabled. I am all about screen real-estate. HiDPI mode wastes the display IMHO. On linux I run X at 75 DPI (not 100) and I am fine with this.
I am amazed it took over 10 years for a monitor on a laptop or PC to finally exceed the PPI of my T221 9503-DGP and Viewsonic VP2290b monitors which were 204 PPI to the retina macbook at 215 PPI (and the 13 inch one is slightly higher than that).
I am really hoping apple releases a computer monitor soon that is 'retina' as well. If it wasn't because of apple these resolutions probably would have been delayed another 5 years, sadly.
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omg Apple users.
2560x1440px was never the next PPI step 4k will be and then 8k. And a 15" screen would be too small for me even on a laptop.
I can understand some people play more for a 27"-30" 2560x1440px but a 13"-15" 2560x1440px LOL.
2560x1440px was never the next PPI step 4k will be and then 8k. And a 15" screen would be too small for me even on a laptop.
I can understand some people play more for a 27"-30" 2560x1440px but a 13"-15" 2560x1440px LOL.
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why is it LOL for a 13-15" screen? It's heat and sad that my 23" monitor cannot even reach that resolution
Apple don't communicate with consumers either - or ?. They are brilliant at thinking out-of-the box and come up with new brilliant ideas or features the users didn't think they needed, but (as sales results show) do appreciate.
In the display industry, Apple has done very little. They have picked up ideas that were abandoned by IBM in 2005 in their joint venture company with Chi Mei called "ID Tech". That was probably the first time that someone else besides Hitachi manufactured IPS panels, and researched in increasing the pixel density beyond what was seen before. That was in 2001-2002 and resulted in 15" laptop QXGA displays, 20.8" QXGA and 22" WQUXGA (among others). Consumers were just not able to pay the price for such high resolutions at that time.... or good LCDs in general. Heck, my first LCD at work was no-name 15" XGA, TN with only 1x VGA input, very crappy image quality, and it costed $400.
By the way, the Imac G4 20" WS used a panel from ID Tech.
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Apple pushes high resolutions into the consumer space. Which is a very big deal to me, a consumer. Yes, there have been $10000 specialized displays before, but really that doesn't do me any good.
Apple was the first to bring 2560x1600 to consumers, and it was unique to Apple for a couple of years.
300+ dpi to smartphones?
250+ DPI tablet?
2880x1800 laptop?
2560x1600 laptop?
I would also bet on Apple being first to bring 4K monitor to the consumer space.
A $25,000 TV. Okay. When we're talking about the consumer space, I don't think we're talking about the 1%.
I think he means for the PC monitor segment
Yes, but only because LG/Samsung can produce the panels with a now pretty matured LCD technology with high yields, and because Apple choose to place very large orders.
But I agree, as another consumer, it also means a great deal to me that they are providing me the choice to get a high PPI display in these days and ages, and hopefully this also brings some competition to the market. It was just the "uniqueness" and "never-seen-before" aspects of high-ppi displays I was having a go at.
Imagine if just people would have spent what it costed earlier, we could all have enjoyed high ppi displays much earlier and at lower prices.
As far as the desktop goes, I still lament the premature demise of CRT tech for the usual reasons. (And Sony had advances, such as a 0.15mm stripe pitch display, we never even got to see released.)
That said, within the limits of the technology, the "retina" high dpi approach is something very real. Haven't had the pleasure of seeing the new MacBooks, but the difference between the iPad 2 and the third one is night and day to my eyes. Very happy Apple is popularizing high dpi displays...
That said, within the limits of the technology, the "retina" high dpi approach is something very real. Haven't had the pleasure of seeing the new MacBooks, but the difference between the iPad 2 and the third one is night and day to my eyes. Very happy Apple is popularizing high dpi displays...
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ASUS is following Apple's lead in the tablet space and mobile space- I don't think desktop panels will be far behind, especially if MS gets their act together in the scaling department.
That said, for the majority of users, a nice, sharp low-DPI TN is great for everyday usability.
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why do you say the "PC" industry.. Apple does not make displays... neither does the "PC" industry... usually LG or Samsung make the panels, but apple surely paid an arm and a leg for their new displays.
Apple don't communicate with consumers either - or ?. They are brilliant at thinking out-of-the box and come up with new brilliant ideas or features the users didn't think they needed, but (as sales results show) do appreciate.
In the display industry, Apple has done very little. They have picked up ideas that were abandoned by IBM in 2005 in their joint venture company with Chi Mei called "ID Tech". That was probably the first time that someone else besides Hitachi manufactured IPS panels, and researched in increasing the pixel density beyond what was seen before. That was in 2001-2002 and resulted in 15" laptop QXGA displays, 20.8" QXGA and 22" WQUXGA (among others). Consumers were just not able to pay the price for such high resolutions at that time.... or good LCDs in general. Heck, my first LCD at work was no-name 15" XGA, TN with only 1x VGA input, very crappy image quality, and it costed $400.
By the way, the Imac G4 20" WS used a panel from ID Tech.
Not sure if serious on your first paragraph.. if so .. please see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wFeC25BM9E0
Apple pics up most of it's ideas...as do most companies.
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I don't think we can credit Apple as having had done anything new, as much as they've done it better, in many cases.
Apple just integrated them on their products, LG ans Samsung made all those panels, they build nothing but design.
They don't build their own anything as they are not a manufacturer.
But all those display firsts, that arrived in Apple Products were not just sitting in a warehouse waiting for someone to use them. They were all custom deisgns. Apple gave the Specs to LG, along with buckets of money to get it done.
As such Apple drives the display industry forward.