Live From Apple's iPhone 5 Event

Cali3350 said:
Launching apps, decoding webpages etc are all single threaded workloads that will improve.
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Meh, I just expected more. They put such a huge resolution into the iPad 3 and new Macbook Pro's, why can't they get an awesome resolution in the iPhone? The new one isn't bad, but it isn't anything to brag about either.
 
xIronCrossx said:
Based on the fact that there is only so much a CPU can do in a phone? I haven't noticed a single time where my phone was slow or unresponsive, and that is with the so called "shitty buggy android OS"(Since iOS is the best thing since sliced bread)...so how will it be any faster if there is nothing to be faster for since iOS doesn't even do true multi tasking.
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Fine. Let's go back to single core CPUs.

/sarcasm

Faster is still better people.
 
damicatz said:
Except that the state doesn't have the authority to sell something like that.

If I steal your car and then sell it, that doesn't make the sale legitimate. This is no different.

Spectrum is not tangible or physical and therefore cannot be owned as property.
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Except spectrum isn't unlimited ... because you can't have 10 companies all using the same overlapping spectrum someone has to parse it out so that the phones and radios actually work ... if you just turned it into a free for all then the big companies would just become the natural monopolies since they could afford to put the most powerful transmitters and just overwhelm any other folks trying to use that spectrum ;)
 
I recently got an HTC amaze 4g (android 4.x) device, it has a 1.5ghz dual core processor. Its very snappy, but i cant say its any faster then my few year old HTC aria was going from app to app. Though it does have to render a lot more pixels then the aria....

Not that apple cares, but with all their lawsuit shenanigans they made me a boycotter for life. I was strongly considering an Iphone 4s this time around, but their business tactics have completely turned me off.
 
I am kind of interested in those new iPod touches though, always had a soft spot for them because they were always cool. I just prefer my actual phone to be Android since I like rooting and just like it more in general. But, iPod touch is always cool to play around with. Will have to see if it's worth it to get one or if I should just use my GS3 for music as well.
 
Meh, wish I could edit...I wonder if I could do a trade in at Verizon since I am allowed to bring back my GS3 for 2 weeks no questions asked I believe. I'll have to check it out. Oh noes, turning to the dark side(Sometimes I should probably look at the phone/specs in detail before I judge :S)
 
I'm also interested in the new 5th gen iPod Touch. I don't need a new phone, and the lower end models were usually somewhat reasonably priced. Jailbreak it and it's a pretty great device. I have a 4th gen one right now.

Too bad a 7", low cost iPad mini wasn't announced. I've been wanting a decent and cheap 7" tablet. Since no one seems interested in making Atom-based ones (for a reasonable price... Ultrabook priced models are just stupid), I may have to give up the thought of having a cheap and very portable x86 device for a while.
 
xIronCrossx said:
Based on the fact that there is only so much a CPU can do in a phone? I haven't noticed a single time where my phone was slow or unresponsive, and that is with the so called "shitty buggy android OS"(Since iOS is the best thing since sliced bread)...so how will it be any faster if there is nothing to be faster for since iOS doesn't even do true multi tasking.
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Ding.

On my phone, I have a dualcore 1.2Ghz (S3) SOC.

I actually downclocked it to 800Mhz to save some battery life (negligible in the end cause of the screen) because I never fully loaded the CPU often enough to where it mattered. My phone runs ICS.

an ERRRGHHMAAAHGERRRRD SOC that is TWENTY PUBES FASTER AND RUNS AT 20 GIGASHITS isn't really going to be much of a killer feature when existing dual and quadcore SOCs aren't being pushed that hard.

In at LEAST the consideration of processing power by cores, Apple's already beat. In at LEAST the consideration of future processing... again, Apple's already beat before their new phone comes out. Ignoring the CPU and considering everything else... Yep. Apple's already beat just by the S3 alone.

Apple's behind the curve. This is the most "meh" launch ever... and that's considering the refresh where the only real new feature was Siri.
 
techrat said:
Ding.

On my phone, I have a dualcore 1.2Ghz (S3) SOC.

I actually downclocked it to 800Mhz to save some battery life (negligible in the end cause of the screen) because I never fully loaded the CPU often enough to where it mattered. My phone runs ICS.

an ERRRGHHMAAAHGERRRRD SOC that is TWENTY PUBES FASTER AND RUNS AT 20 GIGASHITS isn't really going to be much of a killer feature when existing dual and quadcore SOCs aren't being pushed that hard.

In at LEAST the consideration of processing power by cores, Apple's already beat. In at LEAST the consideration of future processing... again, Apple's already beat before their new phone comes out. Ignoring the CPU and considering everything else... Yep. Apple's already beat just by the S3 alone.

Apple's behind the curve. This is the most "meh" launch ever... and that's considering the refresh where the only real new feature was Siri.
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And again, single threaded performance is totally irrelevant to core count or load. You can load a core at 20% only all day, and the A15 will still do it twice as fast.
 
Cali3350 said:
And again, single threaded performance is totally irrelevant to core count or load. You can load a core at 20% only all day, and the A15 will still do it twice as fast.
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I'll let you hold onto that. It's all you've got.
 
this time around the Iphone 5 reminds me of a Samsung galaxy S3 :D , slim, and tall, kinda looks nice
 
Cali3350 said:
Apple is LAUNCHING a phone, SEPTEMBER 21'ST, 2012, ATLEAST a quarter before any other product, and you dont see that as a huge advtantage in the current market? Then you are a fool.

And what the hell are you talking about "unless you have 100% cpu load". It has faster single threaded performance. You dont need 100% usage to see it, ITS FASTER AT 20% TOO.

My god.
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Wrong, son. If one cpu is slower, then it will be at higher load but still accomplishing the same work, until they hit 100 percent which is when the difference makes any impact. Additionally android is decently well threaded for duals and higher.
 
Oh, and the person talking about 4G vs unsecured wifi... Spot on. You can't compare the two, 4G LTE kicks ass and is secured. And it works everywhere.
 
GoldenTiger said:
Theoretical != real scenario for phones.
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So a Cortex A15, with a wider frontend and much better Out of Order pipeline support is going to show NO speed gain at sub 100% load with a A9? This is what your saying?
 
Cali3350 said:
So a Cortex A15, with a wider frontend and much better Out of Order pipeline support is going to show NO speed gain at sub 100% load with a A9? This is what your saying?
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I think he's saying that you won't notice any speed difference until the A9 hits 100% load and the A15 can then strut it's stuff past that.

That's what I understand anyway.
 
J So said:
I think he's saying that you won't notice any speed difference until the A9 hits 100% load and the A15 can then strut it's stuff past that.

That's what I understand anyway.
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In which case why would applications and maps and webpages be loading faster. These all peg these mobile CPU's at 100% load?
 
J So said:
I think he's saying that you won't notice any speed difference until the A9 hits 100% load and the A15 can then strut it's stuff past that.

That's what I understand anyway.
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This. And the work load he is describing is not anything that is done in the real world on a phone, so it is completely irrelevant.
 
techrat said:
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All snark thus far aside... the biggest thing I don't get is why Apple has yet to do anything for the UI. Their biggest improvement (if it could even be called that) is ... another row of icons.

Their UI is completely dated now. They've caught up to themselves (by saying their design as 5 years ahead of everyone else when it first came out) but everyone's since eclipsed them in that area by now.
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Why exactly is the UI "dated" now? Because they didn't add widgets to the home screen? I mean what's the problem? Change for the sake of change is pointless here. The iPhone is still pretty much the easiest phone to use for the average consumer. And that's the whole point of the UI. Ease of use. The phone is still incredibly easy to use.

The only other phone manufacturer selling and making as much money on their phones is Samsung. And they copied many of Apple's UI features with touchwiz. I don't really think it's a coincidence. It's what people like.
 
Cali3350 said:
In which case why would applications and maps and webpages be loading faster. These all peg these mobile CPU's at 100% load?
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The cpu is not the whole of the hardware in a phone. Techrat is right, you can't even be talked to with dumbed down speech....
 
GoldenTiger said:
The cpu is not the whole of the hardware in a phone. Techrat is right, you can't even be talked to with dumbed down speech....
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Oh ok, so the ram, which is the same speed, and the NAND, which is the same speed, are making the difference.

Cool. Glad you are wowing be with the technical explanations here.
 
Omerta said:
Why exactly is the UI "dated" now? Because they didn't add widgets to the home screen? I mean what's the problem? Change for the sake of change is pointless here. The iPhone is still pretty much the easiest phone to use for the average consumer. And that's the whole point of the UI. Ease of use. The phone is still incredibly easy to use.

The only other phone manufacturer selling and making as much money on their phones is Samsung. And they copied many of Apple's UI features with touchwiz. I don't really think it's a coincidence. It's what people like.
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TouchWiz is nothing like the iPhone, other than the fact that it has icons. Have you ever actually used it before? Try using a Galaxy Note sometime; it has an interface that is far superior to the iPhone.
 
J So said:
I think he's saying that you won't notice any speed difference until the A9 hits 100% load and the A15 can then strut it's stuff past that.

That's what I understand anyway.
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That's exactly what I was saying. Efficiency per clock isn't always directly translatable to performance gains when previous SOCs aren't being pushed hard at all. SOCs speedstep and even when my governor set to performance, unless the content being generated slams the SOC to 1.2Ghz hard, it's not going to make any difference if the next chip is that much faster. The bottom line is that one SOC will see a slightly higher CPU load than the next while both are more idle than they are actually working.

So the iPhone 5 will speed step up to 300mhz while mine has to go to 450mhz for the same performance in the end. Big fuckin' whoop.
 
Cali3350 said:
Oh ok, so the ram, which is the same speed, and the NAND, which is the same speed, are making the difference.

Cool. Glad you are wowing be with the technical explanations here.
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Your responses in a nutshell:

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Omerta said:
Why exactly is the UI "dated" now? Because they didn't add widgets to the home screen? I mean what's the problem? Change for the sake of change is pointless here. The iPhone is still pretty much the easiest phone to use for the average consumer. And that's the whole point of the UI. Ease of use. The phone is still incredibly easy to use.

The only other phone manufacturer selling and making as much money on their phones is Samsung. And they copied many of Apple's UI features with touchwiz. I don't really think it's a coincidence. It's what people like.
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Unless you're Obama, then you can't figure it out.
 
techrat said:
Your responses in a nutshell:

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Techrat, this is now the 3rd time youve responded to something I said with a picture poking fun at wanting more. While this entire thread is about phones and what they offer.

You seem to just simply be devolving into a sort of "I dont understand, but I know its not important because" attitude. Its cute, but really, can you say anything substantive?
 
Cali3350 said:
You seem to just simply be devolving into a sort of "I dont understand, but I know its not important because" attitude. Its cute, but really, can you say anything substantive?
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You couldn't understand it when I did offer up direct examples and you still failed to understand the point, COMING FROM THREE DIFFERENT PEOPLE AT THAT, when we all dumbed it down for you.

Substantive, in your case, is opening wide.
 
damicatz said:
TouchWiz is nothing like the iPhone, other than the fact that it has icons. Have you ever actually used it before? Try using a Galaxy Note sometime; it has an interface that is far superior to the iPhone.
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Yes, I have. They've added a bunch of extra features to the UI and they give quicker access to certain menus/settings, but nothing that actually improves the experience substantially, at least to me. The average consumer will use it just like an iPhone.

Many times many features are added to a phone or product, and many times, the average user will never know of them or care.

On the surface, a lot of these phones are the same. You have a touch screen interface and you basically tap to whatever app you want to use. There's really not that big of a difference between these phones, except that the iPhone is easier to use to the average consumer because there's less menus and settings for them to be confused by.
 
techrat said:
You couldn't understand it when I did offer up direct examples and you still failed to understand the point, COMING FROM THREE DIFFERENT PEOPLE AT THAT, when we all dumbed it down for you.

Substantive, in your case, is opening wide.
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Failed to understand what? The part where you tried to tied A9 performance to A15 by leveraging cores? Or was if where you and Golden tiger thought if you are under 100% load these is no speed difference. Or is it the part where you gave up on that argument and tried to paint it as something that doesn't matter. Or maybe its just the sum of all parts where you have shown total ignorance toward CPU designs (which is fine) and tried to pretend you had any clue what you were talking about (not fine).

Maybe I just understand you don't actually know wtf your talking about and am annoyed you are trying to form a direct opinion anyway.
 
Bigger screen, faster processor, better camera. LTE...

OMG Apple is like sooo copying everyone else! Where's the Apple corer? Switchblade toothpick? Corkscrew?
 
Cali3350 said:
Failed to understand what? The part where you tried to tied A9 performance to A15 by leveraging cores? Or was if where you and Golden tiger thought if you are under 100% load these is no speed difference. Or is it the part where you gave up on that argument and tried to paint it as something that doesn't matter. Or maybe its just the sum of all parts where you have shown total ignorance toward CPU designs (which is fine) and tried to pretend you had any clue what you were talking about (not fine).

Maybe I just understand you don't actually know wtf your talking about and am annoyed you are trying to form a direct opinion anyway.
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J So said:
I think he's saying that you won't notice any speed difference until the A9 hits 100% load and the A15 can then strut it's stuff past that.

That's what I understand anyway.
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techrat said:
That's exactly what I was saying. Efficiency per clock isn't always directly translatable to performance gains when previous SOCs aren't being pushed hard at all. SOCs speedstep and even when my governor set to performance, unless the content being generated slams the SOC to 1.2Ghz hard, it's not going to make any difference if the next chip is that much faster. The bottom line is that one SOC will see a slightly higher CPU load than the next while both are more idle than they are actually working.

So the iPhone 5 will speed step up to 300mhz while mine has to go to 450mhz for the same performance in the end. Big fuckin' whoop.
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¿Comprende?

Failure to understand that one CPU can run at a faster speed to do the same amount of work in the same amount of time as another CPU running at a lower speed stepping is where YOU are having the problem and why GoldenTiger had to say this...

GoldenTiger said:
Techrat is right, you can't even be talked to with dumbed down speech....
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techrat said:
¿Comprende?

Failure to understand that one CPU can run at a faster speed to do the same amount of work in the same amount of time as another CPU running at a lower speed stepping is where YOU are having the problem and why GoldenTiger had to say this...
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Cool. Do me 1 favor? Could you please tell me where I ever said architecture A couldn't just run faster? Just one place please. I've argued about CPU load, and pipelInes, and your general understanding of design... but I don't remember arguing that.
 
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