New iPhone Connector May Be Incompatible With Cars

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It looks like that rumored 19-pin iPhone connector could be a pain in the rear end for automakers. Even with an adapter, snug fit docks like the one used by BMW (below) would become useless.

Now that everyone finally offers the same cable for the iPhone, Apple may reportedly move to a 19-pin connector that is smaller than the current 30-pin cable. If the reports are true, then the new iPhone 5 will be instantly incompatible with the built-in 30-pin connectors that come equipped in Kia, Hyundai and Nissan vehicles.
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That's why you don't design a vehicle that's going to last for 20 years around a piece of electronics that will only be relevant for 2. These horrible resistive touch screens they are putting in everything are going age very poorly as well.
 
This is why why when I have been looking for a new car, this feature always STEERS me away.
 
These integrated electronics in car are going to become a huge problem. When the average person gets a new phone every 2 years and a car every 5 years or longer wwe will see more an more problems of cars not keeping up. It's already happening. 2012 Mazdas can interface at all via blue tooth with iPhones with avrcp 1.4. One little phone update and a huge feature of the car is lost.
 
Obi_Kwiet said:
That's why you don't design a vehicle that's going to last for 20 years...
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I'm pretty confident that Nissans are designed to last about six months. If they last longer than that, owners should consider themselves fortuitous.

Also: adapters.
 
john doe 182 said:
These integrated electronics in car are going to become a huge problem. When the average person gets a new phone every 2 years and a car every 5 years or longer wwe will see more an more problems of cars not keeping up. It's already happening. 2012 Mazdas can interface at all via blue tooth with iPhones with avrcp 1.4. One little phone update and a huge feature of the car is lost.
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surprised they're not using bluetooth
 
Globox said:
surprised they're not using bluetooth
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If their phones are anything like mine, charging via BT isn't possible yet. :D Plus, the more radios I have spitting out and receiving signals the faster that battery dies. I would really like to have induction charging pads + BT in the car.
 
Why can't we just standardize some freaking bluetooth protocols around here?

It really shouldn't be that hard to have a wireless / bluetooth / whatever you want to call it standard that does everything without needing a connector and it should be entirely possible to build it futureproof for the next 10 years. I don't know why the industry can't sit down together and PROPERLY define a protocol that just WORKS with all devices certified for it. Bluetooth has been a pain in my ass for over a decade now, even after over ten years, almost NOTHING works together, especially when it comes to car integration, my Mazda will play music off my iphone, but the song metadata wont display. Some android devices work, others cut off prematurely and don't handle phone calls very well when listening to music.
 
wonderfield said:
I'm pretty confident that Nissans are designed to last about six months. If they last longer than that, owners should consider themselves fortuitous.

Also: adapters.
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Nissan is one of the best cars on the road right now, sorry to disappoint.

However..I laughed at this article. I would love to see Apple do this, it would just amuse me to no end to watch their die hards twist themselves in knots trying to justify why this isn't a dick move.:D
 
wonderfield said:
I'm pretty confident that Nissans are designed to last about six months. If they last longer than that, owners should consider themselves fortuitous.

Also: adapters.
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I spit out my coffee when I read that, don't know why but I found that funny :D
I must be the exception, still have mine for about 10 yrs now and about 220,000 miles on it, and still getting good gas mileage ;)
 
Obi_Kwiet said:
That's why you don't design a vehicle that's going to last for 20 years around a piece of electronics that will only be relevant for 2. These horrible resistive touch screens they are putting in everything are going age very poorly as well.
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This is one reason I hate newer cars these days. Buttons and switches age quite well, but a poorly performing embedded device is going to get old fast.
 
Obi_Kwiet said:
That's why you don't design a vehicle that's going to last for 20 years around a piece of electronics that will only be relevant for 2. These horrible resistive touch screens they are putting in everything are going age very poorly as well.
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This exactly.
 
cbutters said:
Why can't we just standardize some freaking bluetooth protocols around here?

It really shouldn't be that hard to have a wireless / bluetooth / whatever you want to call it standard that does everything without needing a connector and it should be entirely possible to build it futureproof for the next 10 years. I don't know why the industry can't sit down together and PROPERLY define a protocol that just WORKS with all devices certified for it. Bluetooth has been a pain in my ass for over a decade now, even after over ten years, almost NOTHING works together, especially when it comes to car integration, my Mazda will play music off my iphone, but the song metadata wont display. Some android devices work, others cut off prematurely and don't handle phone calls very well when listening to music.
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Patents.
 
Funny, and Apple accused MS of monopoly power. This has been true for years, only now that Apple is larger than MS does it become readily apparent. Open standards please. USB and Bluetooth should be the only options cars makers install. I bet somebody got a kickback.
 
verteron said:
Funny, and Apple accused MS of monopoly power. This has been true for years, only now that Apple is larger than MS does it become readily apparent. Open standards please. USB and Bluetooth should be the only options cars makers install. I bet somebody got a kickback.
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In terms of market share and overall revenue, I don't think Apple is any larger. Well, certainly in terms of mobile hardware... but not overall computing.

In terms of earnings, Apple is FREAKING HUGE because they have massive profit margins. Premium electronics is good business these days.

I don't know all the details about the MS antitrust stuff in the past, but Apple certainly isn't a monopoly now. It's like if 30% of the population decided that driving Mercedes cars was great. Kia, with their hypothetical 70% market share might pull in more money NET, but not nearly what Mercedes would GROSS. It's not that Mercedes would have a monopoly, but the price premium people would be paying means the premium car maker be making lots and lots of $$$. Well, them and Exxon-Mobile. ;)
 
Universal plug in. Now shut up and drive.

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Obi_Kwiet said:
That's why you don't design a vehicle that's going to last for 20 years around a piece of electronics that will only be relevant for 2. These horrible resistive touch screens they are putting in everything are going age very poorly as well.
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Silly person, don't you know that we're moving towards an all disposable world? Soon you'll replace your electric car every two years because what are you going to do, pay $4000 for new batteries? Not likely!

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Most of the crap they're shoving in cars these days is highly modular. Those horrible resistive screens? In most cases easily swapped with a new one when it fails. And, as far as the automaker is concerned, all it really needs to do is outlast the bumper-to-bumper anyway. Thus is the march of technology. When every other car out there has touchscreen controls and a cool LCD speedo, yours will too because no car maker will risk making one without all that.
 
What if you made the place it plugs into a modular design? Swap out that piece and you're good to go. Definitely adds to cost, though.
 
wonderfield said:
I'm pretty confident that Nissans are designed to last about six months. If they last longer than that, owners should consider themselves fortuitous.
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Dekoth-E- said:
Nissan is one of the best cars on the road right now, sorry to disappoint.
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I also found it funny he chose one of the most reliable cars on the road as an example for this. Bought my Nissan 11 years ago with 24 miles on the odometer. 130,000+ later I am still happy with my purchase and getting around 33 mpg.

As for the adapter, I am all good with using dongles that come out to the glove box or the center console. They can usually be replaced at the receptacle at the back of the head unit so that is a somewhat quick fix and hopefully nothing more than a $25 adapter from the manufacturer. Time shall tell with that one.
 
Kenworth said:
I also found it funny he chose one of the most reliable cars on the road as an example for this. Bought my Nissan 11 years ago with 24 miles on the odometer. 130,000+ later I am still happy with my purchase and getting around 33 mpg.

As for the adapter, I am all good with using dongles that come out to the glove box or the center console. They can usually be replaced at the receptacle at the back of the head unit so that is a somewhat quick fix and hopefully nothing more than a $25 adapter from the manufacturer. Time shall tell with that one.
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Funny how people are talking about their 100k, 10y/o Nissans.. Wonder if it is possible that in the last 10 years that their quality has dropped.. Probably on purpose, you make a car that never breaks down, how are you going to sell someone a new one?
 
Obi_Kwiet said:
That's why you don't design a vehicle that's going to last for 20 years around a piece of electronics that will only be relevant for 2. These horrible resistive touch screens they are putting in everything are going age very poorly as well.
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Oh no no, I'll still be using an iPhone 4S 20 years from now, just you wait! :D
 
wonderfield said:
I'm pretty confident that Nissans are designed to last about six months. If they last longer than that, owners should consider themselves fortuitous.

Also: adapters.
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Nissan is Japanese..you know right?..its not American.
 
it is just a shame that a 60k car now has a dock in it that is only usable by the older generation of devices...

Personally they should have expected this and designed the dock to use the cord the device came with and just had a usb jack and an app that way they could support android apple or even blackberry hell they could have also just stuck with the old stand by a 3.5mm audio cable...
 
Aren't proprietary connections just swell! Anyone who didn't see this coming at some point is a moron :p
 
Oh well as long as they make an adapter I am set. I have a BMW and don't use that adapter. I use the other one which uses a usb connection and standard iPod/iPhone connection.
 
450 said:
Everything Japanese is great and everything American is garbage.
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ROFL. Not anymore. You buying a GTR? Nissan stopped importing everything but sports and supercars a few years ago.

They build them in Canada now and their quality has gone right down the pisser.

When they get dropped at the dealers they are having to deal with all kinds of fit and finish issues during the PDI. Effing doors aren't even on properly or fitting in many cases.

There was a problem with the front end on newer Pathfinders and the recall fix was to put some cardboard in place to fix it.

Source: One of my best buddies has delivered every single vehicle at a larger Nissan dealer in Alberta for the last 6+ years.
 
My car has a usb plug in the glove compartment. Why EVERYONE ELSE didn't do this baffles me.
 
AthlonXP said:
Oh well as long as they make an adapter I am set. I have a BMW and don't use that adapter. I use the other one which uses a usb connection and standard iPod/iPhone connection.
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You need option code 6NF, the smartphone option for the snap-in adaptors. 6NR also adds 6NF if you order BMW Apps. They added the 6NF option with the 2009 models IIRC. If you don't spec them, you still get the combox with the normal usb connector. Prior to the combox, you had to use the Y cable, with the audio-in port and the usb connector.
 
chrispix said:
Funny how people are talking about their 100k, 10y/o Nissans.. Wonder if it is possible that in the last 10 years that their quality has dropped.. Probably on purpose, you make a car that never breaks down, how are you going to sell someone a new one?
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Laws. I believe in Japan the people there have to get a new car every few years.
 
lilbabycat said:
My car has a usb plug in the glove compartment. Why EVERYONE ELSE didn't do this baffles me.
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Our new car had a USB port on the radio (And SD slot). Presumably, you can recharge off it. I thought they come standard now.

Come to think of it, maybe i should upgrade our old cars radio too, that thing still uses a tape deck.
 
every iteration of bluetooth I've used is incredibly finicky - we're not there yet.
 
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