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Just because you think you have a killer product on your hands that doesn't mean the general public will like it.
MS probably thought that about Windows Vista and we see how that turned out for them.
[snip] lots of pro-win8 crap
Someone mentioned yesterday that you were developing apps for metro, is this true? It would definitely answer the question as to why you're SO damn evangelical about this OS. And really, if that's the case you should put a disclaimer in your posts or your sig or something. Anything else is disingenuous.
I simply think I know more about that most people that have played with it for a few hours and says it sux.
I'm told"functionality" is the wrong word. More like "usability".I have never seen a single person point out a legitimate loss of functionality between Windows 7 and 8.
I don't recall anyone misquoting someone else.Conspiracies and childish misquoting of people?
Fixed that for you (well except for the grammar, but I'll leave that for you to fix yourself )
I have never seen a single person point out a legitimate loss of functionality between Windows 7 and 8.
I'm told"functionality" is the wrong word. More like "usability".
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We switched to Office 2010 last year ( from 2003 ). I'm still getting support calls and complaints about the "new" interface.
Does it matter what it's called? Usability or familiarity, that's more important to users than anything else the OS does.Is it really usability or familiarity? See that's a key question that I've been trying to understand because there is a difference and more often than not I think most of it revolves around familiarity.
This right here is the biggest problem with Windows 8 as I see it.Does it matter what it's called? Usability or familiarity, that's more important to users than anything else the OS does.
Look at it like this; for users, an OS is a necessary evil they need to access their applications. The more steps necessary for a user to access their applications, the more annoyed they get. Especially when you increase the steps necessary in newer versions of your software.
Does it matter what it's called? Usability or familiarity, that's more important to users than anything else the OS does.
Look at it like this; for users, an OS is a necessary evil they need to access their applications. The more steps necessary for a user to access their applications, the more annoyed they get. Especially when you increase the steps necessary in newer versions of your software.
I'm not talking about you. Nor am I really talking about me. I'm talking about the users I support. They want the desktop. That's where they put things, despite my repeated suggestions otherwise.But there aren't any more steps to access applications. Different yes, more steps, not for the overwhelming majority of things that I do day to day.
Mark my words; Windows8 will suffer from a lot of negative press from consumers for at least the first 6-12 months of it's life. I wouldn't be surprised at all if it causes business to wait for the next version of windows ( think: vista ).
I don't think Windows 8 is a lost cause...at least not yet. Unlike Vista, the "bones" of 8 are quite good. (stability, driver support, etc.) If they simply included an option to disable metro in order to focus on the desktop environment I think you'd see much wider adoption. MS just has to come to their senses and include the addition of that option in an update.I'm not talking about you. Nor am I really talking about me. I'm talking about the users I support. They want the desktop. That's where they put things, despite my repeated suggestions otherwise.
Another thing this brings up; for many end users, they only know how to get where they want in the system if they start from the spot they learned from ( ie: desktop ). So even though they are dropped immediately in to the start menu, it looks significantly different that most users won't identify it as such, and will naturally want to go to the desktop to run an app from the start menu.
Mark my words; Windows8 will suffer from a lot of negative press from consumers for at least the first 6-12 months of it's life. I wouldn't be surprised at all if it causes business to wait for the next version of windows ( think: vista ).
Oh, I don't want to give the wrong impression here; I actually like 8 for mobile devices. In my own desktop use, I'm pretty neutral to it over all.I don't think Windows 8 is a lost cause...at least not yet. Unlike Vista, the "bones" of 8 are quite good. (stability, driver support, etc.) If they simply included an option to disable metro in order to focus on the desktop environment I think you'd see much wider adoption. MS just has to come to their senses and include the addition of that option in an update.
There's one problem with that: I get the impression that MS really want people to adopt Metro. That's a tough task--you've got decades of inertia to overcome on the side of both users and developers. If MS offer users an easy way to stick with the desktop, that's exactly what users will do, and you'll see continued resistance to Metro. If you force users to deal with Metro (or make it a pain to get to the desktop), you'll get a lot of complaining for a while, but (hopefully) users will eventually make the shift. The question becomes "how much bad press will this cause?" and "how much will this impact our revenues and Win8 adoption?"I don't think Windows 8 is a lost cause...at least not yet. Unlike Vista, the "bones" of 8 are quite good. (stability, driver support, etc.) If they simply included an option to disable metro in order to focus on the desktop environment I think you'd see much wider adoption. MS just has to come to their senses and include the addition of that option in an update.
Very true. You'd think that MS wouldn't shit where it eats but I personally think they have.There's one problem with that: I get the impression that MS really want people to adopt Metro. That's a tough task--you've got decades of inertia to overcome on the side of both users and developers. If MS offer users an easy way to stick with the desktop, that's exactly what users will do, and you'll see continued resistance to Metro. If you force users to deal with Metro (or make it a pain to get to the desktop), you'll get a lot of complaining for a while, but (hopefully) users will eventually make the shift. The question becomes "how much bad press will this cause?" and "how much will this impact our revenues and Win8 adoption?"
It's similar to the Ribbon in Office, but on a grander (and riskier!) scale.
Didn't you hear? People are saying that Microsoft is sabotaging Windows 8 so that you have to use Metro!
Muahahaha!
Of course, the rumors are a little fuzzy on just how exactly mean old Microsoft is going to do this, but that's what people are saying!
That's kind of my point: these rumors are silly on their face. Microsoft sees the Start Menu as superfluous now. Of course they are going to delete unneeded code. I'm sure they are constantly cleaning up their code base, but in this case folks have to impute some malevolent motivation for doing so, not the perfectly reasonable one of not wanting to ship unnecessary code.
Further, as you point out, it's code, not magic pixie dust. If Microsoft pulls it out there's nothing to stop someone from putting in new code to replace it. So far as I can tell, people are working on that right now.
Finally, this is Microsoft we're talking about, not Apple. If third parties come up with a Start Menu alternative and begin selling it I would be astonished if Microsoft cared about it either way. Heck, they'd probably list it in their app store.
And for all of the debate about the Start Menu, how many people are really going to bother putting it back in? The overwhelming majority of people will just use what's there.
I think there are a lot more folks out there who will find utility in Metro than will want to resurrect the Start Menu. Of course, that's sort of a no-brainer guess. Obviously Microsoft thinks that way too or they wouldn't be betting the farm on Metro.
Microsoft is doing something about the registry: officially deprecating all other arguably superior forms of storing program data.I just wish someone would do something about the registry.
Microsoft is doing something about the registry: officially deprecating all other arguably superior forms of storing program data.
Thankfully, software developers don't have to care about this and can continue to use the methods Microsoft urges them not to. Naturally this doesn't apply to Metro apps.