Verizon Says the Internet Will 'Change Forever' June 18th

The only way Verizon is going to change the internet forever is to launch a high speed wireless broadband service that is at least equal or faster than their current 4G and can be provided to every Verizon customer within the next year with data caps that are far and beyond their current ridiculous caps of 5-10GB with $10 a GB overages.

What America needs is nationwide broadband services that can reach even the most rural areas and is at least 5 Mbps down and 2 Mbps up with solid data caps. That is what will make the biggest change in internet in America because right now there's too many areas that cannot be serviced by DSL or Cable and many areas that can get DSL but the service is poor. This leaves people with no other choice but dial-up, mobile wireless broadband, and satellite. I know because I live in one of those areas and currently am forced to deal with Verizon 3G as my only option at this location if I don't want Satellite.
 
Unless this involves vastly increasing their Fios network, I don't think I'll care, let alone feel any change in the internet.
 
As much as I hate Congress getting involved in anything, they need to change Internet from being treated as a service and classify it as a utility. Consolidate all the companies and build out a nationwide 100% coverage network and then Internet is paid for in a metered fashion like water or electricity is.
 
As a FIOS customer the best Verizon can do is increase their converge. Would be the best thing ever to happen to the internet. What good is having a super fast unlimited internet when everyone else is on Comcast or Time Warner? The internet as a whole is limited, and there's nothing much else you can do with it unless everyone has equal access. Lowest common denominator has always been our limit.
 
Ashbringer said:
The internet as a whole is limited, and there's nothing much else you can do with it unless everyone has equal access. Lowest common denominator has always been our limit.
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Which is exactly why we need a national broadband restructure so that the focus for internet providers comes off of simply increasing the already more than fast enough speeds for customers that live within their small coverage areas for cable and fiber within large cities and focus on colluding together to come up with something that can offer fast broadband service to everyone, including the rural areas, so that the Internet can be further advanced.

As long as you've got large parts of the country having to deal with 1-2 Mbps internet connections or less with ridiculous internet caps you can't push the internet forward because then it becomes only accessible to those who live inside of a high speed coverage area.
 
I'm in an area that Verizon decided was too rural to cover so they sold all their stuff and left. Still have FIOS, it's just run by someone else instead.

Where am I? Across the street from Microsoft Redmond Campus.
 
So Nokia, Microsoft and Verizon all have announcements for Monday, huh? Interesting.
 
I remember the hype before Segway came out, how so many people thought for sure it was a antigravity machine or some crap like that. When they showed it, I think so many people were like "wth".
 
kuyaglen said:
Was she a customer or an employee?

Well if Verizon were to offer FiOS speeds over their cell network then, FUCK ME. :eek: (imagine being able to use up your monthly mobile bandwidth allotment in 5 minuets)
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Grandfathered Unlimited plan, bitches.

But seriously... I'd love to get away from Comcast, if the latency was good enough.
 
i thought verizon was going to start winding down FIOS in favor of going with wireless service plans for your internet needs.
 
Considering the Verizon Wireless 4G LTE speeds you'all use thats being run thru the fios fiber network not surprising if fios speeds over 4g lte becomes avail soon,
that or Verizon Fios tv on cell. There's already fios tv on the XBox but only 26 channels so far
 
Doesn't mean shit to me, as long as Comcast holds a monopoly in New Mexico, it doesn't matter if hookers and blow come with that top tier package. I hate my state so much.
 
I think this is the beginning of the internet being tightly controlled by corporations. The prevailing legislation has been towards wireless internet control being given to the providers. Aka they will be able to filter what info we have access too.

Wired not so much. At least to my observation. It makes sense. Windows pushing towards mobile with 8. Etc.
 
Don't see anything mind blowing there. Yeah, the download speed is nice at the top end, but the rest is not as good as LUS Fiber...sure you can't get it (cause it's municipal fiber), but symmetric connection with 100 Mb/s to anyone within the network for 35 or $45 seems like a better deal. That said, if you want 300 Mb/s, that's a good way to go....not sure why I'd want that much right now. Most of the time, I can't saturate 30 Mbs (thanks to the sites I'm on, I guess).
 
I was told today that I would be moved to the 300/65 tier for an extra $5 a month to my contract since I already have 150/35. No replacement ONT required , no new modem required.

Should be interesting.
 
lol so one region gets FIOS, that will not make a revolutionary internet change. Maybe it will be revolutionary for the people who can actually get it. The highest I can get here is 8mbps and I could go with the competition and get up to 100mbps but they cap it, so what's the point.
 
And why is FIOS upload still so low? The only point of having a fast connection beyond 10mbps is to host servers, but you can't host anything when the upload is like 5mbps lol.
 
Red Squirrel said:
lol so one region gets FIOS, that will not make a revolutionary internet change. Maybe it will be revolutionary for the people who can actually get it. The highest I can get here is 8mbps and I could go with the competition and get up to 100mbps but they cap it, so what's the point.
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To be honest that's the most important thing to me. If FiOS ever caps I'll drop it like 3rd period french. But as long as caps are not present than I'm good to go.
 
I think they just found a way to rip off customers even more, they might start metering their consumer pipes.
 
coldtortilla said:
I think they just found a way to rip off customers even more, they might start metering their consumer pipes.
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Ain't going to happen. They wouldn't even be able to sell that to their customers base since fully fiber networks rarely see the kind of congestion that copper ones do.

At this point Verizon has much more to gain by expanding LTE coverage and charging for bandwidth caps on it.
 
Spidey329 said:
I'm just wondering why a Sprint employee is talking up Verizon services.
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If I had to guess.... Verizon on demand for all carriers, and of course it won't count against your cap which everyone thought would be enough 2 years ago.
 
Red Squirrel said:
And why is FIOS upload still so low? The only point of having a fast connection beyond 10mbps is to host servers, but you can't host anything when the upload is like 5mbps lol.
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Yes because 35 download and 35 upload is sooooooooooooooo low :rolleyes:
 
Red Squirrel said:
And why is FIOS upload still so low? The only point of having a fast connection beyond 10mbps is to host servers, but you can't host anything when the upload is like 5mbps lol.
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Maybe building more efficient websites would be a good start. People hosted stuff on a lot less not very long ago. Then again, most of the Intertubes was text-driven because lots of people dialed out from their homes at ~53 kbps or less.

Do you have any idea how long it takes to load a modern website over a 33.6 data-fax modem when everyone dumps loads of stupid Flash content on their sites?
 
Bring something better than 5mb down/1mb up (at $90 a month) to my area and we'll talk.
 
SkribbelKat said:
Maybe building more efficient websites would be a good start. People hosted stuff on a lot less not very long ago. Then again, most of the Intertubes was text-driven because lots of people dialed out from their homes at ~53 kbps or less.

Do you have any idea how long it takes to load a modern website over a 33.6 data-fax modem when everyone dumps loads of stupid Flash content on their sites?
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Yes... :(:( lol

Well, ok it's more like 40 baud, and not even then is it ALWAYS that bad, but my cell coverage is so poor where I'm at that the speeds are commonly 5-8K/s (usually in the evening). I used to have 6mbit DSL back in MN. I DIE on the days when the trees are blowing just right an I'm able to get 120K/s (trust me, blowing leaves heavily effects signal, as pathetic as that sounds it's that poor of a signal to start with!).
 
Formula.350 said:
Yes... :(:( lol

Well, ok it's more like 40 baud, and not even then is it ALWAYS that bad, but my cell coverage is so poor where I'm at that the speeds are commonly 5-8K/s (usually in the evening). I used to have 6mbit DSL back in MN. I DIE on the days when the trees are blowing just right an I'm able to get 120K/s (trust me, blowing leaves heavily effects signal, as pathetic as that sounds it's that poor of a signal to start with!).
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That's pretty much awful. I guess there isn't another provider that can give you better results? For a brief while I had a company AT&T Blackberry and a Verizon Android. Verizon's signal was awful in my home to the point where it could barely take calls so I had to leave it on WiFi but the Blackberry was just fine.
 
Formula.350 said:
Yes... :(:( lol

Well, ok it's more like 40 baud, and not even then is it ALWAYS that bad, but my cell coverage is so poor where I'm at that the speeds are commonly 5-8K/s (usually in the evening). I used to have 6mbit DSL back in MN. I DIE on the days when the trees are blowing just right an I'm able to get 120K/s (trust me, blowing leaves heavily effects signal, as pathetic as that sounds it's that poor of a signal to start with!).
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Have you looked into WildBlue? I do installations for them and their new Exede system is actually pretty good for being satellite. 12 down....6...up? Cant remember up speeds but down IS 12 and that's $50 a month I believe with a two year contract. Still have aweful lag time (2-5 seconds) but it sounds like it'd be a better trade off than what you have now.
 
SkribbelKat said:
Maybe building more efficient websites would be a good start. People hosted stuff on a lot less not very long ago. Then again, most of the Intertubes was text-driven because lots of people dialed out from their homes at ~53 kbps or less.

Do you have any idea how long it takes to load a modern website over a 33.6 data-fax modem when everyone dumps loads of stupid Flash content on their sites?
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Actually, on my previous job, we turn ads into SWF *because* we wanted them smaller.

http://codetest./html/td.html

Not sure if it's still implemented, but the basic rule was, NO ad is allowed to go past 40KB, including the audio. We get 200kb jpg banners, we shrink them down to 40KB. You'd be surprised how much content we can pack into that. From flash learning courses to actual site development, emphasis has always been on making everything smaller. Replace bitmaps with vectors wherever you can, make it procedural if there's a pattern, watch the CPU usage if it's animated, etc.

Having an animated ad with fading text detailing information, is actually smaller than a single image with a ton of text since you have to raise the quality to keep a bitmap ad readable. We're not dealing with animated GIF here.
 
SkribbelKat said:
That's the most disturbing thing I've read in a while. What's wrong with a GIF?
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Just because people see flash ads being animated, they think they're downloading a huge file. That only applies to GIF.
 
adonn78 said:
Well they are doubling/tripling their speeds soon.100mbps to 300 down and 65 up. And even the lower tiers are going to go up.


3/1 – offered as an upgrade to FiOS for DSL customers
15/5 – available as individual or bundle tier
25/25 – available as individual or bundle tier
35/35 – a bundled tier only
50/20 – available as individual or bundle tier
150/35 – available individually and with bundles in some markets; it requires a GPON optical network terminal, which is only available in GPON deployed central offices
300/65 – CNET - Verizon's 300 Mbps Fios plan to cost $205

Legacy speed tiers include: 5/2, 10/2, 15/2, 15/15, 20/5, 20/20, 25/15, 30/5, 30/15, and 35/20.
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For me, 300% of zero is still zero.

Verizon has already made clear they won't be offering FIOS to the 3rd largest city in MA...

In addition, during negotiations, Mayor Domenic J. Sarno sent a letter to Verizon to see if that company would be interested in providing their “FIOS” service in the city. However, they did not express any interest, Pikula said.
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Sly said:
Just because people see flash ads being animated, they think they're downloading a huge file. That only applies to GIF.
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Some of that depends on the size of the image and the number of individual frames in the GIF. In addition, resolution of modern screens tends to be higher than the bygone modem-only era where 640x480 and 800x600 were commonplace so the overall measurements have increased to maintain relative scale when compared to screen resolution. Besides that, Flash is a security nightmare and eats tons of CPU power. Any web developer who puts anything but plain text on a site should be clobbered with a frozen tuna fish.
 
Polarhound said:
For me, 300% of zero is still zero.

Verizon has already made clear they won't be offering FIOS to the 3rd largest city in MA...
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For now. Its well known inside the company that the FIOS build is really in a "stall" but will resume once Verizon builds out its LTE network in the next few years. Once that network is built out you can bet Verizon will want a larger piece of the resident pie.

My guess is they will suddenly "resume" the FiOS build in 2014. They will claim after analyzing its current build design that they will be "employing" some new technique that will remedy the large cost of deployment. In reality that spin will end up being "We're removing most of our former copper network were economically viable and pushing customers towards our more expensive Fiber optic network ..BUT WITH INCREASED SPEEDS!!!".
 
USMCGrunt said:
Have you looked into WildBlue? I do installations for them and their new Exede system is actually pretty good for being satellite. 12 down....6...up? Cant remember up speeds but down IS 12 and that's $50 a month I believe with a two year contract. Still have aweful lag time (2-5 seconds) but it sounds like it'd be a better trade off than what you have now.
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Well I looked into HughesNet and it was as one person had said about Satellite, 250MB cap per day. Even if it was $60 or $75, if there was at least a 2GB/day cap, I'd be allllll over it! I just barely get by per month as it is on this crap 5GB/mo cap. If I had ACTUAL reliable bandwidth and it was a rather fat pipe like 12Mbit, I'd finally be downloading software updates! Needless to say, I've not been online-gaming in a couple years, so that lag wouldn't impact me at all heh

Put it this way... things are sooo friggen bad where I'm at -- keep in mind, AT&T provides service further away from town than I live, they're just being lazy cheap skates -- that I bought a 500GB laptop hard drive and sent it to my buddy in CANADA, which he's had it for about 6mos now, just so I can make frequent download requests and have him download all my Steam games with the latest updates :rolleyes:

*sigh* Whats worse is our cabin in Alaska is capable of getting DSL if we wanted :eek: AND I live 50minutes drive from Chattanooga, TN where they rolled out the fastest Residental/Commercial ($350/mo) FiOS last year at 1Gbit :mad: Yea, I'm ~40miles away from the fastest residential service and I can't get DSL or respectable 3G! (Oh, I'm about 4miles away from the 4G that runs along the highway, too...

I couldn't be living in a more upside-down state if I were to even stand on my head! lol I'll look into WildBlue though, but unfortunately I'm not holding my breath :p
 
SkribbelKat said:
Some of that depends on the size of the image and the number of individual frames in the GIF. In addition, resolution of modern screens tends to be higher than the bygone modem-only era where 640x480 and 800x600 were commonplace so the overall measurements have increased to maintain relative scale when compared to screen resolution. Besides that, Flash is a security nightmare and eats tons of CPU power. Any web developer who puts anything but plain text on a site should be clobbered with a frozen tuna fish.
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Flash is regularly getting updated, i didn't even know one of the tricks i used previously was an exploit until it just stopped working and had to setup the security APIs in flash to get it working again. Flash player got another update just a couple of days ago actually.

What does screen resolution have to do with animation? Check out the animated ads and try explaining how those would be better on GIF. It's also why some of the ads can be big, vector graphics scale better without adding to the file size.

And regarding the CPU. Try opening these two on the different browsers you have (IE, FF, Chrome, etc. if you have ICS, try it on that too) and check the CPU usage on your Task Manager.

http://codetest./html/tileflash.html

http://codetest./html/tiletest.html

The script on flash isn't visible, but it's pretty much the same as the javascript one. It's even more prominent on lower end systems like netbooks.

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/3751/55339730.jpg

The CPU usage fluctuates too much to make a definite count of the CPU usage, so i took a screenie of the CPU graph. That's firefox on my netbook a few minutes ago. I first ran the javascript version, and then switched over to the flash one. You can see the change reflected on the first core. It was running the html version first, then the CPU usage noticeably dropped when i switched to the flash one. And before you say (AHA! It's using that much CPU!), just try checking how much CPU this is taking up.

http://codetest./html/td.html

Those of us that actually do make websites for a living (both flash and javascript based), were flabbergasted at claims like yours. And even the people that say "But they only optimized flash after jobs brought it up!" conveniently forgot that desktop browsers only got better at handling dynamic html sites recently.
 
You know, I figured this was the shared data plan with a swing for it being "good" but then it wouldn't fit since its for FIOS
 
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