[Kepler/GTX 680] Info's in... $400-450? + benches + thermals (56k warning)

TroyX said:
what is LN2?

i think 680 at 1.4ghz on air has me sold, i honestly dont care if its $400 or $600, im sold.
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LN2 = liquid nitrogen. AKA extreme cooling method used for suicide-bench runs. I'm hoping for the lower end of that spectrum :D I want to get two!
 
(This is my wish)Well if the GTX 670 is in between the 7950 and 7970 with a sometimes running neck-n-neck with the 7970, thats what I will get then.(End Wish) This thing looks like it is going to be a clear winner ahead of the 7970. Oh shiiii....We get great launch drivers too. ;)
 
I find it really entertaining that 90% of the "leaks" posted here are found by GoldenTiger, and they all seem to come from "well known Chinese site" or "people in the know" which no one has heard of before.

What are the chances Nvidia managed to do a complete 180 and go from making power hungry and hot running cards, to suddenly making cool running, energy efficient cards that are faster then AMD which has had the efficiency crown for years now.
 
Nice ! I can already feel those ridiculous HD7xxx prices falling.

I want a 7870 but it's way overpriced when a $250 GTX 570 will do same thing for $100 less.
 
darkstarcow said:
I find it really entertaining that 90% of the "leaks" posted here are found by GoldenTiger, and they all seem to come from "well known Chinese site" or "people in the know" which no one has heard of before.

What are the chances Nvidia managed to do a complete 180 and go from making power hungry and hot running cards, to suddenly making cool running, energy efficient cards that are faster then AMD which has had the efficiency crown for years now.
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Errr, actually, I've only made a couple of Kepler threads at all. Also, your own ignorance of the enthusiast hardware review site scene doesn't mean anything as far as the legitimacy of a site. Should I go ask some guy on the street if he's heard of HardOCP? If he hasn't, that clearly means it's not a real site! :rolleyes: If you're trying to make some kind of point, come out and say it?

The chances are 100%. Official reviews are out, plenty of extra rumors about the remaining odd ends. Kepler is, clearly from the die shot and slides, a radical redesign and it has paid off in spades for them.

P.S. I'm mostly reposting things others found on other sites/forums, and crediting the sources. I don't actively rumor-hunt/review-hunt very much myself.
 
ZoNe said:
How do you do 8xaa in BF3?
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FXAA x8 or High Setting.

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Looks promising, lets just hope performance is close to what the white paper shows.
 
WorldExclusive said:
FXAA x8 or High Setting.
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Do you own bf3? Just curious because the in game option maxes out at x4. Just so you know.

Of course, you can try to override it but the last time I tried that (with nvidia driver 285.79) it did not work. That is not unexpected because override AA does not work with most DX11 games. I do not know if that has changed since...that is not a big deal really because
4X MSAA pretty much looks great in bf3. There is also no "FXAA x8" setting in game so i'm not sure you're talking about. The 2 AA related settings are 2x MSAA, 4x MSAA, post processing on or off.
 
xoleras said:
Do you own bf3? Just curious because the in game option maxes out at x4. Just so you know.

Of course, you can try to override it but the last time I tried that (with nvidia driver 285.79) it did not work. That is not unexpected because override AA does not work with most DX11 games. I do not know if that has changed since...that is not a big deal really because
4X MSAA pretty much looks great in bf3. There is also no "FXAA x8" setting in game so i'm not sure you're talking about. The 2 AA related settings are 2x MSAA, 4x MSAA, post processing on or off. I assume you own the game, yes?
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Yes I own the game. Do you even know what the ingame Post Processing setting means?
Post Processing = FXAA
 
Red Falcon said:
Looks promising, lets just hope performance is close to what the white paper shows.
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Yeah, it probably will be, seeing as how these aren't the latest drivers from what I'm seeing, and the prior rumors of high DX11 performance. I think we'll see higher BF3 numbers on launch-day reviews, and probably plenty of others as well.
 
WorldExclusive said:
Yes I own the game. Do you even know what the ingame Post Processing setting means?
Post Processing = FXAA
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I'm aware that post processing is FXAA. You said something about FXAA x8, which i'm just curious about.

I do know that post processing high in bf3 doesn't look nearly as good as 4X MSAA -- you went on to mention "8x" FXAA. There is definitely not such an option.
 
xoleras said:
I'm aware that post processing is FXAA. You said something about FXAA x8, which i'm just curious about.

I do know that post processing high in bf3 doesn't look nearly as good as 4X MSAA -- you went on to mention "8x" FXAA. There is definitely not such an option.
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I said the setting High Post Processing equals FXAAx8.
Now both the 7970 and 680 will have a tough time getting 70fps+ with MSAAx8, so I would assume they are talking about FXAA.


I still could be wrong but this is a DICE slide showing MSAAx8:
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WorldExclusive said:
I said the setting High Post Processing equals FXAAx8.
Now both the 7970 and 680 will have a tough time getting 70fps+ with MSAAx8, so I would assume they are talking about FXAA.


I still could be wrong but this is a DICE slide showing MSAAx8:
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Nah, PP high isn't x8 and definitely is inferior to MSAA. You can verify this by using the in game settings independently to compare high post processing with MSAA turned off, and comparing that to MSAA x4 with post processing turned off. The latter looks much, much better.

So either someone isn't telling the truth or both websites had a typo is what it boils down to. Still, I tend to believe reviews from [H] more readily, never heard of these chinese guys. The rumored performance is impressive if true, but i'll reserve judgement till thursday. I'm curious as to what you think -
did both websites have a typo? Or is someone misleading? Just curious.
 
GoldenTiger said:
Good question... Fermi scaled almost linearly with clockspeed, Radeon 7970 (GCN) doesn't quite do so. Hopefully Kepler is more akin to Fermi in that regard.
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Hmm? Aside from the 7970 having more overclocking headroom, the tahiti definitely scales better with overclocking. Reviews on this very site shows up to 80%+ scaling with overclocking. With the GTX 580, in my experience overclocking any reference board was a struggle, I did manage 950 with MSI lightnings. Getting that high on a reference board is probably not possible unless you're extremely lucky ( I wasn't able to.).

I always thought of aftermarket cooling being mandatory for seriously overclocking any 580 board, I really struggled with reference. Maybe your experience was different, though.
 
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For me, The single screen results are not that interesting beyond getting a general idea of performance.

I am waiting to see the NV Surround results.

I am sure lots of people who run single screen will go to Kepler for a number of reasons, but I think the potential for the best increase in performance over previous cards is in the 3 screen arena.

This is why 2GB has me concerned - I'm open minded, but 1080 resolutions don't tell me how this thing scales.

I get a nice bonus in 2 weeks so I could get some of these right off, but I just don't know. Perhaps I could just sell them when the higher end part comes out? I don't mind taking a small loss to do that, but I tend to just buy the best card I can and keep it for a few years. Maybe surfing the revisions and selling my previous cards makes more sense at this point.
 
Heres me hoping that when the 680 is release (and if it is better than the 7970) that evga has some sort of two fan variant that doesn't sound as loud as the traditional 1 fan rotor design at launch.
 
xoleras said:
Hmm? Aside from the 7970 having more overclocking headroom, the tahiti definitely scales better with overclocking. Reviews on this very site shows up to 80%+ scaling with overclocking. With the GTX 580, in my experience overclocking any reference board was a struggle, I did manage 950 with MSI lightnings. Getting that high on a reference board is probably not possible unless you're extremely lucky ( I wasn't able to.).

I always thought of aftermarket cooling being mandatory for seriously overclocking any 580 board, I really struggled with reference. Maybe your experience was different, though.
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He never owned 580s. I'm really not surprised that he's wrong about 7970 vs 580 overclocking, either. He also has no answer for the obvious lie about the BF3 benchmarks.

GT, I guarantee a 7970 at 1008/6000 or whatever beats the 680 in BF3. :)
 
I'm afraid if Kepler doesn't live up to the incredibly hype, GT is gonna have a heart attack or something. Pace yourself man.
 
AceCR42 said:
I'm afraid if Kepler doesn't live up to the incredibly hype, GT is gonna have a heart attack or something. Pace yourself man.
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What is with you people? I nor anyone else cares. Kepler has a review now and is great, deal with it how you please but lay off the personal attacks.
 
Well, GoldenTiger, I appreciate your posts at least, and Kepler does indeed look great. I have been waiting for Kepler, and for all the dust to settle on pricing so I can upgrade, almost there now. A pair of 7870 look nice too, hopefully Kepler will push prices down.
 
GoldenTiger said:
What is with you people? I nor anyone else cares. Kepler has a review now and is great, deal with it how you please but lay off the personal attacks.
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You mean the review done by a Chinese website no one has heard of but that you say is well known and should be taken at face value?
 
What's with 256-bit memory bus ? Are they specifically targeting gamers with low rez monitors ?
 
ShePearl said:
What's with 256-bit memory bus ? Are they specifically targeting gamers with low rez monitors ?
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For about the thousandth time, bus width does not equal bandwidth (or performance). The 6970 had a 256-bit bus, was it aimed at low-res monitors?
 
Original price $550
New price $450
Your save/loss $100..

That would be painfull but that is life so get used to it. We will see but that scenario is possible..
 
Guys, I'll only post this (I wanted to post something a little bigger that explained my thoughts on all this but want to wait until the real paper launch [if there is going to be one now] to speak up). The Euro prices mentioned in this post...this is what they are in real USD (according to a converter online):

406 Euros = $561.29 USD
607 Euros = $799.78 USD

That is all for now. Just wanted to take converting confusion out of this. Out!
 
For the past two generations, ATi has had the more efficient and less power-hungry card even when they weren't in the performance lead. Now, when I come back to ATi after 7 years of buying nVidia cards, the rumors point to the nVidia card being faster AND more efficient.

Sigh.
 
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