Most of my users use Office as a helper tool, not their main programs. We have specialized billing software, phone apps, user tools, warehouse software,etc. To get them to learn Metro in the OS and Office might give some of them strokes! Luckily we'lll be using Office 2010 for a long time. Yes, eventually we have to upgrade, everyone does....that is several years down the line and will it be Windows 8 by then, who knows?
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Most of my users use Office as a helper tool, not their main programs. We have specialized billing software, phone apps, user tools, warehouse software,etc. To get them to learn Metro in the OS and Office might give some of them strokes! Luckily we'lll be using Office 2010 for a long time. Yes, eventually we have to upgrade, everyone does....that is several years down the line and will it be Windows 8 by then, who knows?
Read that again...you don't see the insanity of that...?
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If they are spending most of their time in your business apps then you put those apps at the left of the Start Screen, nothing else has to be there and no strokes.
People really are making this out to be WAY more than it is. It'll be like the way people launch apps on their smart phones, simple as pie.
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The grab and close thing? Sure, I guess it isn't as convenient as a little red X in the top corner, but then again if I have a tablet/laptop that I carry around with me and dock when I get to my desk and use as a tablet in other places, it is probably easier than trying to hit the X with my finger.
Just installed it on my main rig despite reading all the complaints. Honestly I don't see what all the uproar is about. I hardly used the Windows 7 Start Menu for anything other than the search function, and the desktop seems to be the same as ever. If I am missing something to complain about, can someone enlighten me?
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WHAA...METRO APPZ...
From a unified OS perspective, it's not all that bad. You can nitpick about the design, but it's not that hard to use even with a KB/Mouse or on a touch tablet.
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Actually most people would say the stuff that is busted in Win7 is still busted. And I am thinking the only people that love metro are people who don't actually "work" on their computer. I have too much to do and work on too much shit to be screwing with metro. If I'm at 10% productivity for the next month trying to figure out how to use metro, that is going to cost me way too much to ever want to adopt. Also, from my experience, I have to click 3x as much just to get the same task done.
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I know it's in the charms on the right side. I need to play around in W8 a bit more.
Alternatively, you can go to start and look for change power state. Should be under settings.
Try right clicking the bottom left hand corner?
well got my copy installed on a spare hard drive.
booted up no problems. Do i like it? no
do I think I could get used to it? yes
Windows 8 successfully turned my computer into some sort of bad ass tablet/phone. I mean really apps? who needs apps on a desktop computer when you can install the FULL damn program, just saying.
Bottom Line for me? I don't plan on purchasing Windows 8 in its current build state. I will keep using windows 7 64bit ultimate. I can see myself rocking windows 7 until its no longer supported.
Microsoft if you by chance read this, then do this. Make 3 different versions of windows 8. Win8 for desktops/labtops in 32bit and 64bit. Then make a 3rd version for tablets/phones.
gosh at least in the developer preview you could turn the task bar back to the classic mode.
booted up no problems. Do i like it? no
do I think I could get used to it? yes
Windows 8 successfully turned my computer into some sort of bad ass tablet/phone. I mean really apps? who needs apps on a desktop computer when you can install the FULL damn program, just saying.
Bottom Line for me? I don't plan on purchasing Windows 8 in its current build state. I will keep using windows 7 64bit ultimate. I can see myself rocking windows 7 until its no longer supported.
Microsoft if you by chance read this, then do this. Make 3 different versions of windows 8. Win8 for desktops/labtops in 32bit and 64bit. Then make a 3rd version for tablets/phones.
gosh at least in the developer preview you could turn the task bar back to the classic mode.
Many many people have no idea how to use an application in window mode with standard windows controls and user interface. They get lost very easily. The whole Metro thing is so those types of clueless users can get more out of their computers. They seem to manage with simple phone interfaces so applying that same logic to a PC isn't a bad idea, at least for that subset of users.
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Rebooting is easy. Bottom right corner>settings>power>reboot.
It only took about 30 mins to get used to it. Now if only I cant fix this stupid AMD auto-overscan because you're using HDMI.
It only took about 30 mins to get used to it. Now if only I cant fix this stupid AMD auto-overscan because you're using HDMI.
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oh fuck me sideways i'm loving this shit man i can't believe it lol ^^ plz someone fucking shoot me ^^ started to like it already in the installation screen lol
It looks like we are back in the late 70's and early 80's when Apple sued MS for copying their GUI! And now the similarity is back again. Anyways, it looks like Win 8 is designed more for tablets than desktops! It looks like Win 7 will be like XP and Win 8 being the Vista. Maybe?
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this interface is very nice, finally those monkeys did something interesting, i've been using for about an hour and half, it's very intuitive, i've managed to unlock the administrative tools in the first seconds of use and then from there the more you use and understand how the interface works and how to customize it the more is getting better oh, if it wasn't mentioned already, i used this tool http://www.joshcellsoftwares.com/2011/10/winusb-maker-windows-setup-to-usb.html to create a bootable flash drive from the .iso, might be of some use to somebody
oh, if it wasn't mentioned already, i used this tool http://www.joshcellsoftwares.com/2011/10/winusb-maker-windows-setup-to-usb.html to create a bootable flash drive from the .iso, might be of some use to somebody I hate the idea of tiles and apps ona desktop. I do nto ahve a touch screen and I like a clean screen with few icons. Now having multiple home screens up to 3 or 3 across 3 monitors may be nice for some. But I think windows 8 is mroe suited to phones and tablets. I'll stick with Windows 7.
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geez i'm all fucking happy with this shit, fuck!
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love the task manager. it tells you the impact different startup items have. google installer is high
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right click on it and it can take to to the file location and delete the file. this will help as installs age.
I figured what the heck, I have a Windows Home server backup, why not try the upgrade option. Half a dozen restarts later it had restored Windows 7 itself after installation was unsuccessful. I'll try making a new partition and clean install sometime over the next few days instead.
I can't tell you what would motivate that guy, but for me it's two words/one feature: Memory Combining. I run multiple different operations on a single large set of data, unfortunately the program I use loads a copy of the data for every instance of the program launched into memory. If Windows 8's memory combining works well I should be able to push my system even harder since I currently hit my i7-970X's 24GB memory cap before I'm pushing the CPU to 100%.
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But windows xp was worse than 7 and vista. So the xp forevar crowd chose the worse OS, so were the "crazy nutjobs".
Windows flaccid lollipop (working title "windows 8") is worse than 7, so the crazy nutjobs are on the lollipop side.
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honestly , its different, and it will take some time getting used to, seriously, Its not that big deal for me. somehow I like the interface, I think im getting what MS wants, simplicity alot of the stuff here are a big move for MS. dont understand really the "over-hate", i mean, yep id understand the "i dont like it for now" but the "OMFG MS RUINED MY LIFE WE ARE ALL LIVING IN THE STONE AGE awerajwerhkajwehrkawher". whatever,lol
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The Metro interface needs to have a disable setting somewhere. It should be a choice. Unless they are releasing a Business version that has a switch for it.
On another note, I finally have a use for the Vista Shutdown Gadget. The downside, now I have another gadget sitting on the desktop. But it beats clicking 3 times and waiting for the damn sidebar to pop out.
My AMD E-350 does seems to be a little snappier though.
On another note, I finally have a use for the Vista Shutdown Gadget. The downside, now I have another gadget sitting on the desktop. But it beats clicking 3 times and waiting for the damn sidebar to pop out.
My AMD E-350 does seems to be a little snappier though.
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This doesn't make any sense? Do you have a clean Start Menu? The Start Screen can has as little on it as you want, underneath is a Metro Start Menu. Been reading a lot of blogs and posts today and it's pretty obvious that people are starting to make stuff up, this really des work just fine with a mouse and keyboard, is FAR better than then Start Menu in terms of its usefulness and function even if it is full screen, which isn't even an issue when one take a look at how the Start Menu ACTAULLY works, for all practical purposes it is full screen, it takes the focus away from whatever you're doing until you click on it or off of it or selected something otherwise JUST LIKE THE START SCREEN.
I simply have no idea why people think that the Start Screen and Metro are a things that only work well on phones and tablets and can't and don't on laptops and desktops. It's simply makes no sense.
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This was a pain in the ass to get to.
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Not saying I love win8 by any means, but if I had the option to turn off Metro I would be much more content. They even forced Metro on us in Windows 8 Server Beta. FFS MS!
you are imagining things. metro sucks
No Metro UI is rather decent.
Most gamers I play with on Vent agree.
The only ones that dont are the same ones that refuse to enjoy anysoftware writen post early 2000.
Its new and you can still get to a desktop thats exactly like windows 7 minus a start menu. But really was the start menu that important to you?
Most gamers I play with on Vent agree.
The only ones that dont are the same ones that refuse to enjoy anysoftware writen post early 2000.
Its new and you can still get to a desktop thats exactly like windows 7 minus a start menu. But really was the start menu that important to you?
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Yeah, I think that people that don't like this either don't want ANY change or just like old UIs because they are used to them or think they are more efficient. It does take a little time to get used to the Metro stuff but I know find I REALLY like on my laptop, it a breeze to zip through the Start Menu as scrolling through it very simply, just drag the mouse to the edge and keep moving, it's pretty cool.
I'm just not seeing anything that isn't easy or fast to just with just a mouse or keyboard or trackpad, actually I think trackpads, considering how bad many of them are on PC laptops might work better with the Start Screen than the Start Menu.
Other than it sucks or don't like it or jarring or other subjective comments I don't see too many usability issues here. Sure the subjective stuff is important but this is going to end up like most changes you see in Windows, the people who hate it will tend be canceled out by those that like it and the middle won't really care. But in this case at least the middle now has something to look at besides a 17 years UI that has seen it day is being trumped by phones and tablets.
As much as people want to dismiss Metro as a phone UI, well that's the computing device that more and more and more people are using everyday, for some it IS their primary computer.
Windows 8 is what Microsoft HAD to do. I do not understand why so many can't understand that the world is changing, this is the kind of UI people want and like to use. Dense, static, lists are just not interesting, they have no mindshare, there's nothing to be gained by keeping a 17 old UI that can be replaced by something that CAN work across desktops, laptops, tablet and phones and adds modern software in the phone of full screens apps that zillions use everyday on their phones and tablets while keeping the desktop.
This all makes sense and works pretty damn well.
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Pretty much. And in a way that's not bad. I think at some level Microsoft wanted some controversy with Windows as it brings passion to the product in way it's hasn't seen since Windows 95.
The core principles behind Metro, more with less, lighter, sleeker, simpler are the core principles that are fueling a hunger in this world today for simplicity. At it's core Metro about simplicity and beautiful, clean presentation. Not that Metro is itself simple or that Metro apps are, but the idea is to get to the essence.
It's really such a nice and clear vision about computing across all types of devices and vision has often been a weak spot in Microsoft's world.
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Tried it. Not as bad as I thought it would be. I kind of like it.